water_moon
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Ray, who are you trying to say was recuited?
Magicboy or lunkin?
Ray, who are you trying to say was recuited?
Magicboy or lunkin?
OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
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water_moon
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
if you're trying to say lukin was recuited, then what would his day one vote or not vote matter?
I didn't vote for nac -- a mafia non familia, granted it was to draw attention to magicboy who was another, but hey, it's quite common to vote against the bandwagon.
if you're trying to say lukin was recuited, then what would his day one vote or not vote matter?
I didn't vote for nac -- a mafia non familia, granted it was to draw attention to magicboy who was another, but hey, it's quite common to vote against the bandwagon.
Jason Maher
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Deeds:
aman - undercover cop
Zhao - townie
Sir Lister - rival mafia
azador/SiTro - undercover cop
NacRuno - rival mafia
L_E - townie
magicboy - rival mafia
Sint - undercover cop
nolecub - townie
3 mafia, 3 undercover cops gone. That means on a worst case scenario there are only two smelly people left - 2 mafia (if the cops falsified someone to mafia and greed has been used) or 1 of each (if the cops falsified someone to themselves and greed has been used). On a best case scenario we've already won - which I assume hasn't happened because Muzz wouldn't be a swine and make us play it out amongst ourselves - or would he? :wink:
Anyway, after yesterday's slowness in getting the ball rolling, and because I got a bad feeling when reading back over the thread:
vote lukin
let's see what he's got to say.
Deeds:
aman - undercover cop
Zhao - townie
Sir Lister - rival mafia
azador/SiTro - undercover cop
NacRuno - rival mafia
L_E - townie
magicboy - rival mafia
Sint - undercover cop
nolecub - townie
3 mafia, 3 undercover cops gone. That means on a worst case scenario there are only two smelly people left - 2 mafia (if the cops falsified someone to mafia and greed has been used) or 1 of each (if the cops falsified someone to themselves and greed has been used). On a best case scenario we've already won - which I assume hasn't happened because Muzz wouldn't be a swine and make us play it out amongst ourselves - or would he? :wink:
Anyway, after yesterday's slowness in getting the ball rolling, and because I got a bad feeling when reading back over the thread:
vote lukin
let's see what he's got to say.
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Alright, monster post time!
Well, so far so good. Three lynches, three (showing) rival. Six night kills, and three (showing) cop. Now, since we're still playing, I'm willing to bet that there's more enemies left. So, time to consider some possibilities concerning the abilities they have chosen. An assumption I am making here is that if Sint really was a cop (not too likely in my mind) then both sides were able to achieve their kill, even if Sint was the last cop.
First, the easy to discount one. If the cops chose good cops and the rivals chose vendetta. Since we're still playing, and there have been three kills on each side, this one is out.
Next, greed and no-lynch. With this scenario, we have exactly one enemy left. Specifically, one of the rivals. This can easily be disproven if there are two night kills again tonight. If it is the case (unlikely, but possible), then there's no concern about a no-lynch day.
Next, vendetta and falsify. This scenario makes things more confusing. If falsify hasn't been used yet, or it has been used but the person falsified is still alive, then the cops are all dead and we're in the clear there. More likely, if it was chosen, the cops used it on someone they killed to make them show cop. Since there have been three cop deaths shown already, they obviously haven't used it to make a cop show anything else. But if they used it to make a townie show rival, then we've still got one rival left, but no remaining cops. Based on the number of kills each night, if the rivals chose vendetta, then it hasn't been used.
Finally (and in my mind most likely), greed and falsify. If both have been used, then there is at least one rival left. With falsify, see above for details.
My bet is that we're dealing with greed and falsify, and both have been used, with falsify being used to make somebody show cop who wasn't. Specifically, I think they falsified on Sint. Why Sint? He's been a little odd in some of his statements at times. However, he was very focused on Thyiad, who was somewhat of a target yesterday (by myself included). I'm going to reread some things and come up with some new suspects.
Summary:
We've got two enemies left, Thyiad was framed, Sint wasn't a cop.
Alright, monster post time!
Well, so far so good. Three lynches, three (showing) rival. Six night kills, and three (showing) cop. Now, since we're still playing, I'm willing to bet that there's more enemies left. So, time to consider some possibilities concerning the abilities they have chosen. An assumption I am making here is that if Sint really was a cop (not too likely in my mind) then both sides were able to achieve their kill, even if Sint was the last cop.
First, the easy to discount one. If the cops chose good cops and the rivals chose vendetta. Since we're still playing, and there have been three kills on each side, this one is out.
Next, greed and no-lynch. With this scenario, we have exactly one enemy left. Specifically, one of the rivals. This can easily be disproven if there are two night kills again tonight. If it is the case (unlikely, but possible), then there's no concern about a no-lynch day.
Next, vendetta and falsify. This scenario makes things more confusing. If falsify hasn't been used yet, or it has been used but the person falsified is still alive, then the cops are all dead and we're in the clear there. More likely, if it was chosen, the cops used it on someone they killed to make them show cop. Since there have been three cop deaths shown already, they obviously haven't used it to make a cop show anything else. But if they used it to make a townie show rival, then we've still got one rival left, but no remaining cops. Based on the number of kills each night, if the rivals chose vendetta, then it hasn't been used.
Finally (and in my mind most likely), greed and falsify. If both have been used, then there is at least one rival left. With falsify, see above for details.
My bet is that we're dealing with greed and falsify, and both have been used, with falsify being used to make somebody show cop who wasn't. Specifically, I think they falsified on Sint. Why Sint? He's been a little odd in some of his statements at times. However, he was very focused on Thyiad, who was somewhat of a target yesterday (by myself included). I'm going to reread some things and come up with some new suspects.
Summary:
We've got two enemies left, Thyiad was framed, Sint wasn't a cop.
Jason Maher
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Ah crap! I didn't see Merlin's list of deeds, despite looking for such a post before posting mine. I must be going blind. Good job I'm not a drunk, or I wouldn't see anything anyway.
Ah crap! I didn't see Merlin's list of deeds, despite looking for such a post before posting mine. I must be going blind. Good job I'm not a drunk, or I wouldn't see anything anyway.
Jason Maher
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
I tend to agree with the general opinion that Sint was a falsified townie, however there is one little fact that does speak against that opinion. On day 1, lukin asked a question about the motives behind the killing of aman and Zhao Yue, two notorious mafia players. Sint responded by labeling lukin mafia on the basis that there can't possibly be any reason behind night 1 kills. I must say I disagree with Sint. He should know better, given his tendency to die early in games. Zhao has a similar tendency. From the 3 rounds I've played, and the others I've read, it seems the mafia do tend to attack known players. Pre-game banter seems to enter into it as well. As I originally responded to lukin, plenty of people would have a reason to target aman from previous games, especially townies from the last round. And there are also plenty who would no doubt find another early death for Zhao amusing in a twisted way. SiTro as well may have died simply due to his past exploits - he has a record of surviving to the end.
Put it this way - if I were mafia and had nothing else to go by, I would
probably go for a known, someone who plays well and is likely to be a danger if he/she is not already on my team. Or I may go the sense of humour route and kill Zhao or Sint. Players like aman, Liquid, and SiTro fit squarely into this category.
Basically what I am saying is that lukin's question was a fair one, and as he has twice stated he has read through all previous threads, I am sure he has spotted the same tendency I have for early night kills. Thus I think Sint was out of line calling lukin mafia on this basis alone.
So then we are left with one question: is this sufficient reason to suppose Sint was dirty after all? I guess the question is inexorably linked with our opinion of lukin. For that matter, lukin is off my suspect list for the time being as he appears to have done his research and his posts are reasonable, and my vote was based on a previous re-reading, not the one I have just completed. So:
unvote lukin
I must ask two questions of him however:
1) Why do you keep talking about the cop? There is no cop in this game, only a watered-down version called the Snoop, who cannot see identities, only whether someone was active or not.
2) Why did you make the silly point at the start of yesterday about the town being able to finish the game off? There was no way for this to happen.
Now on to Ray: would someone like to explain why he wasn't killed last night after revealing his power role? Unless the mafia share my opinion of the power roles this round - they're not really worth worrying about. The normal townie one-off abilities are almost as powerful.
I tend to agree with the general opinion that Sint was a falsified townie, however there is one little fact that does speak against that opinion. On day 1, lukin asked a question about the motives behind the killing of aman and Zhao Yue, two notorious mafia players. Sint responded by labeling lukin mafia on the basis that there can't possibly be any reason behind night 1 kills. I must say I disagree with Sint. He should know better, given his tendency to die early in games. Zhao has a similar tendency. From the 3 rounds I've played, and the others I've read, it seems the mafia do tend to attack known players. Pre-game banter seems to enter into it as well. As I originally responded to lukin, plenty of people would have a reason to target aman from previous games, especially townies from the last round. And there are also plenty who would no doubt find another early death for Zhao amusing in a twisted way. SiTro as well may have died simply due to his past exploits - he has a record of surviving to the end.
Put it this way - if I were mafia and had nothing else to go by, I would
probably go for a known, someone who plays well and is likely to be a danger if he/she is not already on my team. Or I may go the sense of humour route and kill Zhao or Sint. Players like aman, Liquid, and SiTro fit squarely into this category.
Basically what I am saying is that lukin's question was a fair one, and as he has twice stated he has read through all previous threads, I am sure he has spotted the same tendency I have for early night kills. Thus I think Sint was out of line calling lukin mafia on this basis alone.
So then we are left with one question: is this sufficient reason to suppose Sint was dirty after all? I guess the question is inexorably linked with our opinion of lukin. For that matter, lukin is off my suspect list for the time being as he appears to have done his research and his posts are reasonable, and my vote was based on a previous re-reading, not the one I have just completed. So:
unvote lukin
I must ask two questions of him however:
1) Why do you keep talking about the cop? There is no cop in this game, only a watered-down version called the Snoop, who cannot see identities, only whether someone was active or not.
2) Why did you make the silly point at the start of yesterday about the town being able to finish the game off? There was no way for this to happen.
Now on to Ray: would someone like to explain why he wasn't killed last night after revealing his power role? Unless the mafia share my opinion of the power roles this round - they're not really worth worrying about. The normal townie one-off abilities are almost as powerful.
Ray Patean
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
W_M: I think Magicboy was recruited by Lukin after the other two members were killed. He had to recruit at that point, because the faction would be gone if the last one died off.
Jason: I think I didn't die last night because they figured I would be saved by the doc, and will likely kill me tonight. What you said about the power roles makes sense too, though. I'm the Goon, and have done nothing when it comes to stopping the mafia. The drinkers have been the ones that have been the most powerful, and it would make sense to try and kill off as many potential drinkers as they could before worrying about me.
W_M: I think Magicboy was recruited by Lukin after the other two members were killed. He had to recruit at that point, because the faction would be gone if the last one died off.
Jason: I think I didn't die last night because they figured I would be saved by the doc, and will likely kill me tonight. What you said about the power roles makes sense too, though. I'm the Goon, and have done nothing when it comes to stopping the mafia. The drinkers have been the ones that have been the most powerful, and it would make sense to try and kill off as many potential drinkers as they could before worrying about me.
Jason Maher
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
We've had a fair number of drinkers so far - 6 in total, 5 still with us (RIP Liq). The longer that list grows, the greater the chance there is a wolf in sheep's clothing among them. The admitted drinkers are maatiarna, Jaedhann, Thyiad, puresummon, and goltar25. Out of that lot, I would most suspect Jaedhann, because his recent posts have been drivel, and he outed Thyiad immediately after she admitted to having been out. I'm also suspicious of the other player I see as having contributed nothign - Serdash. So after tossing an Australian $5 note (I'm out of coins; Queen Elizabeth II = Jaedhann, Parmliament House = Serdash):
vote Jaedhann
We've had a fair number of drinkers so far - 6 in total, 5 still with us (RIP Liq). The longer that list grows, the greater the chance there is a wolf in sheep's clothing among them. The admitted drinkers are maatiarna, Jaedhann, Thyiad, puresummon, and goltar25. Out of that lot, I would most suspect Jaedhann, because his recent posts have been drivel, and he outed Thyiad immediately after she admitted to having been out. I'm also suspicious of the other player I see as having contributed nothign - Serdash. So after tossing an Australian $5 note (I'm out of coins; Queen Elizabeth II = Jaedhann, Parmliament House = Serdash):
vote Jaedhann
Jason Maher
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Sorry I haven't posted. I really can't get on except an hour in the morning and a few hours at night (until the weekend anyway).
As far as Ray pointing out my voting habits. He is right. My voting does look suspicious, however I think I can shed some light.
First, as Jason pointed out, Sint seemed to have targeted me as mafia on day one. I asked one question about why Aman was targeted which no one else was asking (instead everyone was just blindly jumping on LE's bandwagon.) I also don't like to vote for people until I have heard what they have to say. On top of that, I was against Naz's plan. During the first half of day one the bulk of the discussion was about Naz's plan and then LE's reveal. Before LE revealed he had seen Lister, people were jumping on the bandwagon. This made me very leery. I tried to steer the discussion off of blindly voting and more to the evidence at hand. Namely that Aman was killed quickly and it wasn't Zhao who did it. My first thoughts were that Sint (who was bantering about his, Zhao's, and Aman's ability to stay alive) might have had a hand. Clearly, he did not (especially now that he is either a townie or less likely, the third undercover cop.)
During this discussion, Sint said that my not voting right away and asking about Aman's death made me mafia. At that point, voting would have seemed both pointless and made him cast more needless suspicion my way. So, Day one, I didn't vote for Lister.
Day two, I voted for Nacruno early and kept my vote even after Nac's pathetic attempt to clear himself. I also poked several holes in his argument and I think had a hand in getting him lynched.
Day Three I voted for Bob in the morning and never got a chance to switch my vote due to work. If you read my vote post, I think I was clear that I wouldn't have the chance to switch.
Last but not least, I have spent the last two days defending Thyiad, You, and Sint as probable townies.
I also hinted at a suspicious list that I am keeping. Bob was and still is on that list. However to me, the most suspicious people on that list are the three people who jumped off Nac once he tried to claim townie. Those people are Naz and Friedbananazz. Fried in particular was one of the last to vote for Nac before his "role reveal" and the second to switch his vote. He then took his time switching that vote back. To answer Jasons' questions:
1) I know I keep calling him the cop and I know it is watered down, but it is still a drinker every night. I call him the cop because it is similar to the cop role although very watered down.
2) most of that was just myself thinking out loud, and getting a little over-excited about a town win. With only four nights passed and over half the mafia and cops dead, I think we have been doing great.
VOTE: Friedbananazz
Sorry I haven't posted. I really can't get on except an hour in the morning and a few hours at night (until the weekend anyway).
As far as Ray pointing out my voting habits. He is right. My voting does look suspicious, however I think I can shed some light.
First, as Jason pointed out, Sint seemed to have targeted me as mafia on day one. I asked one question about why Aman was targeted which no one else was asking (instead everyone was just blindly jumping on LE's bandwagon.) I also don't like to vote for people until I have heard what they have to say. On top of that, I was against Naz's plan. During the first half of day one the bulk of the discussion was about Naz's plan and then LE's reveal. Before LE revealed he had seen Lister, people were jumping on the bandwagon. This made me very leery. I tried to steer the discussion off of blindly voting and more to the evidence at hand. Namely that Aman was killed quickly and it wasn't Zhao who did it. My first thoughts were that Sint (who was bantering about his, Zhao's, and Aman's ability to stay alive) might have had a hand. Clearly, he did not (especially now that he is either a townie or less likely, the third undercover cop.)
During this discussion, Sint said that my not voting right away and asking about Aman's death made me mafia. At that point, voting would have seemed both pointless and made him cast more needless suspicion my way. So, Day one, I didn't vote for Lister.
Day two, I voted for Nacruno early and kept my vote even after Nac's pathetic attempt to clear himself. I also poked several holes in his argument and I think had a hand in getting him lynched.
Day Three I voted for Bob in the morning and never got a chance to switch my vote due to work. If you read my vote post, I think I was clear that I wouldn't have the chance to switch.
Last but not least, I have spent the last two days defending Thyiad, You, and Sint as probable townies.
I also hinted at a suspicious list that I am keeping. Bob was and still is on that list. However to me, the most suspicious people on that list are the three people who jumped off Nac once he tried to claim townie. Those people are Naz and Friedbananazz. Fried in particular was one of the last to vote for Nac before his "role reveal" and the second to switch his vote. He then took his time switching that vote back. To answer Jasons' questions:
1) I know I keep calling him the cop and I know it is watered down, but it is still a drinker every night. I call him the cop because it is similar to the cop role although very watered down.
2) most of that was just myself thinking out loud, and getting a little over-excited about a town win. With only four nights passed and over half the mafia and cops dead, I think we have been doing great.
VOTE: Friedbananazz
Puresummon
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Lukin: Good response, that was the kind of answer I was hoping for. Except now I don't know who to vote for. Ah, back to reading I suppose.
Unvote: Lukin
Lukin: Good response, that was the kind of answer I was hoping for. Except now I don't know who to vote for. Ah, back to reading I suppose.
Unvote: Lukin
friedbananazzzz
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
I'm a townie that hasn't used my ability yet. So there's no way anyone could see me active on any night, ever. That's about the only proof I have that I'm not anti-family. As for my voting habits, I was focusing on Thy before I switched to the Nac vote, and I simply decided to give him the benefit of the doubt after his "reveal". I still voted for him in the end though, just as I voted for Lister (pretty early too, and I never changed it), both proven mafia (though I suppose that could still mean I could possibly be a cop, but I'm not). And I'm not the only person to have Nolecub on my suspect list, so I don't think I need to explain my vote for him any further, despite him being proven townie (just as I'm a townie, but still sit on several people's suspect lists).
Vote: PureSummon
His "drinking claim" was on someone who had just admitted to being active that night.
Ray said in post #424 that he had tried to block Sint, and PureS then claimed in #426 that he saw Ray active. This is the exact same thing that Jaedhann did that has made several people suspect him (as I do).
He also voted for Liquid even after Lister 'confessed' the first day, which was an unvote from Lister, and that's even more suspicious... I can understand if someone claims townie, and you unvote for a moment, but unvoting a confessed rival???.
post #186:
The others on my suspect list:
Serdash: useless, frequently claims to not read any posts, makes votes at random or deliberately bandwagons without thought. Only 7 posts so far.
Jaedhann: see above, drinking-townie-in-disguise.
Bob: only made 5 posts so far, really under the radar.
Thyiad: If you want people not to lynch you, don't vote for yourself out of annoyance or whatever it is. Make some kind of contribution, and make a valid vote on someone else with something to back it up.
I'm a townie that hasn't used my ability yet. So there's no way anyone could see me active on any night, ever. That's about the only proof I have that I'm not anti-family. As for my voting habits, I was focusing on Thy before I switched to the Nac vote, and I simply decided to give him the benefit of the doubt after his "reveal". I still voted for him in the end though, just as I voted for Lister (pretty early too, and I never changed it), both proven mafia (though I suppose that could still mean I could possibly be a cop, but I'm not). And I'm not the only person to have Nolecub on my suspect list, so I don't think I need to explain my vote for him any further, despite him being proven townie (just as I'm a townie, but still sit on several people's suspect lists).
Vote: PureSummon
His "drinking claim" was on someone who had just admitted to being active that night.
Ray said in post #424 that he had tried to block Sint, and PureS then claimed in #426 that he saw Ray active. This is the exact same thing that Jaedhann did that has made several people suspect him (as I do).
He also voted for Liquid even after Lister 'confessed' the first day, which was an unvote from Lister, and that's even more suspicious... I can understand if someone claims townie, and you unvote for a moment, but unvoting a confessed rival???.
post #186:
The others on my suspect list:
Serdash: useless, frequently claims to not read any posts, makes votes at random or deliberately bandwagons without thought. Only 7 posts so far.
Jaedhann: see above, drinking-townie-in-disguise.
Bob: only made 5 posts so far, really under the radar.
Thyiad: If you want people not to lynch you, don't vote for yourself out of annoyance or whatever it is. Make some kind of contribution, and make a valid vote on someone else with something to back it up.
:laugh:Jason Maher said:
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
My thoughts are this. I do think that Thyiad is acting quite strangely and has not really added anything that could help the town out. BUT she did say that she was going to add something substantial today sometime. With that promise I am not going to to vote for Thyiad today as I really want to see what she has to say. However in saying that Thyiad is still on my suspect list.
I am however going to vote for a player the seemly has slipped under the radar. He has only posted about 4 times this game and has yet to post today. In saying this Serdash has not added anything that could be deemed helpful to the town in his posts. He has also just bandwagoned voted for Lister and Nac without giving any real reason
This vote on Water_Moon he gave no evidence to back up why he chose to vote for her other than it feels right. This is no help at all to the town who are trying to find the anti-townies.
So Vote Serdash
My thoughts are this. I do think that Thyiad is acting quite strangely and has not really added anything that could help the town out. BUT she did say that she was going to add something substantial today sometime. With that promise I am not going to to vote for Thyiad today as I really want to see what she has to say. However in saying that Thyiad is still on my suspect list.
I am however going to vote for a player the seemly has slipped under the radar. He has only posted about 4 times this game and has yet to post today. In saying this Serdash has not added anything that could be deemed helpful to the town in his posts. He has also just bandwagoned voted for Lister and Nac without giving any real reason
This vote on Water_Moon he gave no evidence to back up why he chose to vote for her other than it feels right. This is no help at all to the town who are trying to find the anti-townies.
So Vote Serdash
Merlin The Wizzard
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Ray, what makes you believe that Lukin was targetted by Greed? As far as I could see, due to his rather low post rate, going after lukin with the ability Greed was a risk. Odds are pretty decent that Lukin is/was either a town power role or a member of the undercover cops.
No, I daresay that Greed has been used, and that it was used in a manner that posed as little risk as possible, namely, by turning a confirmed townie role. The list of people who claimed a townie role by day 2 was pretty low... Liquid evil (who died a townie), Sint (who died an undercover cop, but I still think this was due to falsify evidence), Goltar on day 1. Day 2 adds Thyiad and Jaedhann, both of whom are still alive. On day 3 maatiarna spotted Ray. And, finally, Puresummon spotted ray again today. Those are the claimed townie roles.
I will list each of them below with an explanation of what I think about them
1) Maatiarna - Seems a bit odd in her logic, but I get the feeling she is a townie. She spotted Ray out and about, and that turned out to be a righteous claim, since Ray has claimed the role of goon. Read:Townie
2) PureSummon - Not too sure here. His claim was today, and suffers from the same problem as JAedhann's does: it's an easy roleclaim on his side, spotting someone who has already stated to have a powerrole. However, I fail to see what this would gain him. If he was an EotF, it would be far wiser to try and claim that role to steer towards lynching someone else, rather then load suspicion on yourself. Read
robably Townie
3) Thyiad - She has brought very little to the discussion. Her claim right of the bat on day 2 gives an honest read. Sint made much about it yesterday, saying that it was highly likely she was a member of the mafia. I think Thyiad's roleclaim was the
deciding factor in lynching Nac. I doubt he would have been lynched if she hadn't seen him. For the rest, her behavior shows mostly irritation at being suspect I guess. Up to a nonsensical vote for herself today. It's odd indeed, and she is not gone from my suspect list. But she isn't the most suspicious one on it either. Read: Suspicious, might be mafia
4) Goltar . The only remaining claimed townie from day 1. Comes of as protown, makes good, rational posts. In my opinion, a prime candidate for the Greed ability, and, as such, a dangerous 'wolf in sheepclothes'. Not sure if he is one or not, but I am leery.
read: suspicious, possible greed victim
5) Jaedhann. He is still my prime suspect of these 5. Brought very little to the table yesterday, and voted for Serdash 'because he voted for the dumbest reason'.
Well, be that as it may, a viable tactic for EotF would be to fragment the voting process as much as possible, so that the confusion would stand in the way of a sound voting strategy. It hasn't worked, but that doesn't mean we should ignore those who tried. Due to his easy role claim on day 2, I pin him as a solid EotF : Read: Enemy of the Family
Not sure whether he is mafia or undercover cop, pretty sure that he started out in the role he has though (in other words, no greed was used here).
Vote: Jaedhann
Ray, what makes you believe that Lukin was targetted by Greed? As far as I could see, due to his rather low post rate, going after lukin with the ability Greed was a risk. Odds are pretty decent that Lukin is/was either a town power role or a member of the undercover cops.
No, I daresay that Greed has been used, and that it was used in a manner that posed as little risk as possible, namely, by turning a confirmed townie role. The list of people who claimed a townie role by day 2 was pretty low... Liquid evil (who died a townie), Sint (who died an undercover cop, but I still think this was due to falsify evidence), Goltar on day 1. Day 2 adds Thyiad and Jaedhann, both of whom are still alive. On day 3 maatiarna spotted Ray. And, finally, Puresummon spotted ray again today. Those are the claimed townie roles.
I will list each of them below with an explanation of what I think about them
1) Maatiarna - Seems a bit odd in her logic, but I get the feeling she is a townie. She spotted Ray out and about, and that turned out to be a righteous claim, since Ray has claimed the role of goon. Read:Townie
2) PureSummon - Not too sure here. His claim was today, and suffers from the same problem as JAedhann's does: it's an easy roleclaim on his side, spotting someone who has already stated to have a powerrole. However, I fail to see what this would gain him. If he was an EotF, it would be far wiser to try and claim that role to steer towards lynching someone else, rather then load suspicion on yourself. Read
robably Townie3) Thyiad - She has brought very little to the discussion. Her claim right of the bat on day 2 gives an honest read. Sint made much about it yesterday, saying that it was highly likely she was a member of the mafia. I think Thyiad's roleclaim was the
deciding factor in lynching Nac. I doubt he would have been lynched if she hadn't seen him. For the rest, her behavior shows mostly irritation at being suspect I guess. Up to a nonsensical vote for herself today. It's odd indeed, and she is not gone from my suspect list. But she isn't the most suspicious one on it either. Read: Suspicious, might be mafia
4) Goltar . The only remaining claimed townie from day 1. Comes of as protown, makes good, rational posts. In my opinion, a prime candidate for the Greed ability, and, as such, a dangerous 'wolf in sheepclothes'. Not sure if he is one or not, but I am leery.
read: suspicious, possible greed victim
5) Jaedhann. He is still my prime suspect of these 5. Brought very little to the table yesterday, and voted for Serdash 'because he voted for the dumbest reason'.
Well, be that as it may, a viable tactic for EotF would be to fragment the voting process as much as possible, so that the confusion would stand in the way of a sound voting strategy. It hasn't worked, but that doesn't mean we should ignore those who tried. Due to his easy role claim on day 2, I pin him as a solid EotF : Read: Enemy of the Family
Not sure whether he is mafia or undercover cop, pretty sure that he started out in the role he has though (in other words, no greed was used here).
Vote: Jaedhann
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Vote Maatiarna
Vote recap day 1 & 2
Vote recap day 3
She has the weirdest set of votes. All for townies.
She was all over Sint in post #381 and he was a Cop. So I think she's the remaining cop.
Her other posts are just "lets kill townies".
If I'm wrong, kill me tomorrow. Doesn't bother me.
Vote Maatiarna
Vote recap day 1 & 2
Vote recap day 3
She has the weirdest set of votes. All for townies.
She was all over Sint in post #381 and he was a Cop. So I think she's the remaining cop.
Her other posts are just "lets kill townies".
If I'm wrong, kill me tomorrow. Doesn't bother me.
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Here's the rest of my notes/suspicious list
Reason for voting marti was above but also take a look at her post #394 as well as #381. Most of her suspicious list are townies. And dead.
Three cops down: sitro/sint and aman
Three mafia down: Lister, Magic and Nacruno
I'm not bright enough to get into the falsify/recruitment stuff, so I'm not going to.
Other notables:
Nolecub - voted for Bob just before he got killed. So that interesting choice for a NK might not be just weird.
Bob - likes merlin 391, has voted for one mafia and one townie #427. I thought clueless until Nolecub got killed just after voting for him.
Puresummon - I think town based on #403
Lukin - thanks for trying to keep me and Ray alive #399 but defend yourself. I think you're a townie because you defend me and I am. But it won't help your case.
Seedy - I do not get his vote for moon #393. But I don't believe it's just a random vote
I'm a bit confused why there aren't two kills per night? I thought both factions got to kill. Anyway, Sint could have been the result of a vendetta kill as he opened the voting on me in #355. Doesn't help my case but I'll point it out anyway.
Liq opened the voting on Smeg and Nacruno. Both mafia both dead. Maybe that was the free kill.
Anyway. I still say Martina has a lot to answer for and should be killed. Then Bob needs to do some fast talking. Everyone else are just too far under the radar.
And can you all do me a favour, this time, please? *REMEMBER* what I've posted when I get killed and proven townie. Because you all forget to do that and I'm always right. :tongue:
Here's the rest of my notes/suspicious list
Reason for voting marti was above but also take a look at her post #394 as well as #381. Most of her suspicious list are townies. And dead.
Three cops down: sitro/sint and aman
Three mafia down: Lister, Magic and Nacruno
I'm not bright enough to get into the falsify/recruitment stuff, so I'm not going to.
Other notables:
Nolecub - voted for Bob just before he got killed. So that interesting choice for a NK might not be just weird.
Bob - likes merlin 391, has voted for one mafia and one townie #427. I thought clueless until Nolecub got killed just after voting for him.
Puresummon - I think town based on #403
Lukin - thanks for trying to keep me and Ray alive #399 but defend yourself. I think you're a townie because you defend me and I am. But it won't help your case.
Seedy - I do not get his vote for moon #393. But I don't believe it's just a random vote
I'm a bit confused why there aren't two kills per night? I thought both factions got to kill. Anyway, Sint could have been the result of a vendetta kill as he opened the voting on me in #355. Doesn't help my case but I'll point it out anyway.
Liq opened the voting on Smeg and Nacruno. Both mafia both dead. Maybe that was the free kill.
Anyway. I still say Martina has a lot to answer for and should be killed. Then Bob needs to do some fast talking. Everyone else are just too far under the radar.
And can you all do me a favour, this time, please? *REMEMBER* what I've posted when I get killed and proven townie. Because you all forget to do that and I'm always right. :tongue:
Merlin The Wizzard
New member
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Enlighten me... what is worth mentioning Bob liking my post #391 for? Is this cause for suspicion or something?
Enlighten me... what is worth mentioning Bob liking my post #391 for? Is this cause for suspicion or something?
Merlin The Wizzard
New member
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Oh, I misread. BOB's post 391 mentions he is not suspicious of me. That's the only thing he says about me there.
Oh, I misread. BOB's post 391 mentions he is not suspicious of me. That's the only thing he says about me there.
