WW Ghost Assassin Guide V2.0

VERY nice guide!

Ive been engulfed by your videos, and have decided to make an asn just like yours! I got rid of my charger, my cold sorc, and 1/4th of my bowazon.

I have the resources available at my fingertips, i just need your guidence.

I know what i will use. There are just some things i'm confused on:

Helm- For now, .08 valk It's the only thing i have. It belonged to my next-door neighboor who quit, so i don't know how logn its been in circulation as an end item, therefor i temp-perm it each game. Soon ill get my hands on a nice circlet, hopefully w/ 20% fcr.

Ammy- Storm hide. It's also from my friend who quit. (he gave me some of his stuff. The rest he sold on ebay. Its a VERY good ammy, but im almost sure its duped :( My friend swares its legit, but i temp-perm it just to be sure.
It's stats are: 2skills/20 str/15 dex/ 59life/30 mana/ 20 all res. (see why i perm it after each game ? ^^)


Armor- Archon plate enigma (i can use w/o any points into str!!!!!)

Belt- Arach

Ring 1- Ravenfrost

Ring 2- A nice rare (probably unperm :~ Not for sure tho.. ive left atleast 20 games w/ it and it is still on my mule)
Stats: 10fcr/15 str/4 lifeleech/4 dex/ 10 all resists

Boots- Ironically, the same ones mentioned in this guide :D_

Gloves- Trangs

Cta/spirit monarch on switch. 20/19 asn torch. 18/19/8 anni.

9x life shadow gcs (working on them.. i hope i can find some atleast 35+)

Maybe some res charms if i can get my hands on them.




Claws- Help. Halp. Heolp. I kinda get the speeds, i just need to know, with this gear, what should my claw choices be? I want to hit the 4frame breakpoint, so i was thinking a Fury and chaos claw in the 2 topmost damaging claws. ( Don't know what those are. I think they are a type of elite Katar. Hopefully you can help)
I saw the ias on Choas/Fury, they are high enough to get the bp i think, considering I dont know the base speeds of the claws i want... let alone the claws themselves...

I could be compeltely wrong. I dont know :\
 
CosmicallyDrifting said:
VERY nice guide!

Ive been engulfed by your videos, and have decided to make an asn just like yours! I got rid of my charger, my cold sorc, and 1/4th of my bowazon.

I have the resources available at my fingertips, i just need your guidence.

I know what i will use. There are just some things i'm confused on:

Helm- For now, .08 valk It's the only thing i have. It belonged to my next-door neighboor who quit, so i don't know how logn its been in circulation as an end item, therefor i temp-perm it each game. Soon ill get my hands on a nice circlet, hopefully w/ 20% fcr.

Ammy- Storm hide. It's also from my friend who quit. (he gave me some of his stuff. The rest he sold on ebay. Its a VERY good ammy, but im almost sure its duped :( My friend swares its legit, but i temp-perm it just to be sure.
It's stats are: 2skills/20 str/15 dex/ 59life/30 mana/ 20 all res. (see why i perm it after each game ? ^^)


Armor- Archon plate enigma (i can use w/o any points into str!!!!!)

Belt- Arach

Ring 1- Ravenfrost

Ring 2- A nice rare (probably unperm :~ Not for sure tho.. ive left atleast 20 games w/ it and it is still on my mule)
Stats: 10fcr/15 str/4 lifeleech/4 dex/ 10 all resists

Boots- Ironically, the same ones mentioned in this guide :D_

Gloves- Trangs

Cta/spirit monarch on switch. 20/19 asn torch. 18/19/8 anni.

9x life shadow gcs (working on them.. i hope i can find some atleast 35+)

Maybe some res charms if i can get my hands on them.




Claws- Help. Halp. Heolp. I kinda get the speeds, i just need to know, with this gear, what should my claw choices be? I want to hit the 4frame breakpoint, so i was thinking a Fury and chaos claw in the 2 topmost damaging claws. ( Don't know what those are. I think they are a type of elite Katar. Hopefully you can help)
I saw the ias on Choas/Fury, they are high enough to get the bp i think, considering I dont know the base speeds of the claws i want... let alone the claws themselves...

I could be compeltely wrong. I dont know :\
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.08 valk works just fine. since valk has 10% extra fcr, you can use 2 ravenfrosts, which will let you use fury instead of a fools (normal 9 shadow gc sins can only use 1 raven frost and suffer greatly from lack of AR).

with claws, the thing you need to worry about is hitting the trap placing BP. any chaos/fury will automatically hit the 4 frame ww bp. because you have a .08 valk with the 30% ias, you have a much wider selection of claws.

the normal claw selection for 9 shadow gc sins is 2 GT's, which averages to -30 WSM and requires 42% IAS for 9 frame trap laying. since you have more IAS from the .08 valk, you can use slower (and stronger) claws.

if you are going to use fury/chaos, if you put your fury as primary (as you should), you can use up to -20 average WSM. that means you can use 2 feral claws, a GT fury + wrist sword chaos, (etc). those 2 combos should be a good place to start.

check out arreat summit and take a look at the claws, and then use the IAS calculator @ http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english if you want to check for the BP's for each of your claw combinations. just make sure you choose "trap placing" for the skill at the bottom.



 
Thanks so much! Just one more thing.

I might have a possible circlet (seriously... what are the chances of a trader on the exact day i'm in need of an asn circlet :D )

And...ummm... you might've said this in your guide, but which side is your primary weapon.. is it the right side of the character screen?

And what do you reccomend as the primary. Chaos or Fury?


thx again.

Edit:Since the circlet is probably going to happen (YAY), I wont have any ias from my helm, so i dont know what claws I should use. Then again... the circlet im getting is almost the EXACT same as my .08 valk , just w/o the 2 shadow skills. Are the 2 skills really worth it?


Anyways, i was thinking of a War Fist w/ a Suwayyah ... but now im unsure because i lost the 30 ias from my helm (if i decide to use circlet)

Maybe 2x feral claws? Or a runic and Scissors suwayyah?

I'm confuzzled.
 
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CosmicallyDrifting said:
Thanks so much! Just one more thing.

I might have a possible circlet (seriously... what are the chances of a trader on the exact day i'm in need of an asn circlet :D )

And...ummm... you might've said this in your guide, but which side is your primary weapon.. is it the right side of the character screen?


thx again.
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the claw thats right above the gloves is the primary one



 
Ok... i see now. The 10fpa trap speed has a wide range. With 30 ias from my helm, i can reach 9fpa trap speed w/ a Runic Talon and Wrist sword. Also, w/ 30 ias from my helm, i can maximize my damage by using a war fist and a Runic talon, but only get 10fpa.

If I go for my circlet, i can only reach a 10fpa trap laying speed, even with 2 of the fastest weapon (runic talon or Greater talon), i still can only get 10fpa.


So it all boils down to this question:

9fpa trap laying speed, or +2 skills from a circlet?
Oo
 
CosmicallyDrifting said:
Ok... i see now. The 10fpa trap speed has a wide range. With 30 ias from my helm, i can reach 9fpa trap speed w/ a Runic Talon and Wrist sword. Also, w/ 30 ias from my helm, i can maximize my damage by using a war fist and a Runic talon, but only get 10fpa.

If I go for my circlet, i can only reach a 10fpa trap laying speed, even with 2 of the fastest weapon (runic talon or Greater talon), i still can only get 10fpa.


So it all boils down to this question:

9fpa trap laying speed, or +2 skills from a circlet?
Oo
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you should probably stay away from runic talons (unless you get a lot of +dex), as you don't really benefit from the extra physical damage and will suffer from the stat reqs. usually GT's work better for 9 shadow gc builds like yours.

people that use ghosts will always tell you to never settle for anything less than 9 frame traps. circlet builds use a 15res/15ias jewel in the circlet to give them 9 frame traps.

my answer would be to get both +2 and 9 frame traps.



 
4102 life/ 638 mana with non-buffed BO (lvl 14)
7130 WW AR
3478-4610/2379-3214 WW Damage (Chaos/Fury)

My life is only at around 3.6k (3.7k after I hit 90), is it because I'm using all 30 lifers instead of 40 lifers? I also see that your circlet is Jah'd and that would increase it. Well, I was just wondering cause I have lower life by around 0.3-0.5k from all of the "good" wwsin stats I've seen on the boards.

7k AR comes from the AR/Life SCs right?

And the 4.6k Chaos damage is because it's ebugged?
 
yelopen said:
4102 life/ 638 mana with non-buffed BO (lvl 14)
7130 WW AR
3478-4610/2379-3214 WW Damage (Chaos/Fury)

My life is only at around 3.6k (3.7k after I hit 90), is it because I'm using all 30 lifers instead of 40 lifers? I also see that your circlet is Jah'd and that would increase it. Well, I was just wondering cause I have lower life by around 0.3-0.5k from all of the "good" wwsin stats I've seen on the boards.

7k AR comes from the AR/Life SCs right?

And the 4.6k Chaos damage is because it's ebugged?
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you should be able to break 4k life with 30 lifer shadows. are you using GT's? sdancers?



 
TienJe said:
you should be able to break 4k life with 30 lifer shadows. are you using GT's? sdancers?
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My gear is:

Fury Runic +2Venom/+2DF
Fool's Runic +1Venom/+1MB/KB/40IAS/-30req/Um'd
Chaos GT +2Venom/2MB/1DF
Enigma MP
2sin/20FCR/20STR/81Mana/15IAS/15Res
26Res Maras
20Dex Raven
10FCR/19STR/37mana/18coldres Ring
Trang Gloves
2/22 Dancers

GCs: 35/33/31/31/30/27/24/FHR/FHR
SCs: 7x 16-20's, 1x 19/10fr, 1x 16/5cr, 1x 16/25ar

I've got a total of 4 points in strength and 18 in dex, which, if I recall correctly, is less than how much Ollie's ghost had invested.

I think one reason I might have lower life is because Smithenator told me not to build in Maras due because he thought I was going to make a WW/Trapper :undecided: I'm really not into using TGods much either, so a 15FCR amulet doesn't help much, and your Cat's Eye + Widowmaker thing, I just use a Hel'd one.

Thats about...50 or so life right there but I dunno about the rest. All my lifers are actually 25-35 not 30+ but whatever.

I also happen to have under max resists T.T

I'm also building my Nec and it'll probably take the rest of my funds so I dunno if I'll be able to change anything anyways but we'll see :tongue:



 
yea, depending on which set-up you choose, you're life will change quite a bit, though you should always be able to get above 4k. my physical build suffers in the life department because of that highlords, but i think its worth it :azn:.
 
TienJe said:
yea, depending on which set-up you choose, you're life will change quite a bit, though you should always be able to get above 4k. my physical build suffers in the life department because of that highlords, but i think its worth it :azn:.
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I think 3.6k life is doing decently well for me, just wondering why everyone had like 500 more life than me :tongue:



 
Okay, so i have played with my Trap/ww hybrid for a while and i think its time to play a Ghost now. When i duell with my Hybrid i play more like a trapper who only use WW as a defence, and i know thats wrong!!

So if i playwith a ghost i think ill have to be more offensive as i dont have my 7k traps.

Now when building my Ghost can i just use my Hybrids items?
It looks like this. From the top.

2assa/20fcr socket 2*15/15
2assa 17fcr xx mana 17 all res
Fools GToQ socket 2 UM with +2 LS +1MB +1DF
Enigma
Chaos GT with +3ls +3df +1mb
Trang-Ouls gloves
Raven frost
Dungo
Fcr ring with 18 str 1xx AR 86 mana
Shadow dancers

9 Shadow skiller with 4x life Torch Anni
10 SC either, 32020 or 20/5 depending on the duel.

I cant get Ebugged claws as there is only 2 on europe and he aint trading.


Do you agree that i would be wise to play a Ghost to learn how to be more offensive?

What gear should i change if anny?
I could get pretty much any thing except for crazy rare items like amu, circlet and claw.

Thanks

Best regards
Summerfun
 
Summerfun said:
Okay, so i have played with my Trap/ww hybrid for a while and i think its time to play a Ghost now. When i duell with my Hybrid i play more like a trapper who only use WW as a defence, and i know thats wrong!!

So if i playwith a ghost i think ill have to be more offensive as i dont have my 7k traps.

Now when building my Ghost can i just use my Hybrids items?
It looks like this. From the top.

2assa/20fcr socket 2*15/15
2assa 17fcr xx mana 17 all res
Fools GToQ socket 2 UM with +2 LS +1MB +1DF
Enigma
Chaos GT with +3ls +3df +1mb
Trang-Ouls gloves
Raven frost
Dungo
Fcr ring with 18 str 1xx AR 86 mana
Shadow dancers

9 Shadow skiller with 4x life Torch Anni
10 SC either, 32020 or 20/5 depending on the duel.

I cant get Ebugged claws as there is only 2 on europe and he aint trading.


Do you agree that i would be wise to play a Ghost to learn how to be more offensive?

What gear should i change if anny?
I could get pretty much any thing except for crazy rare items like amu, circlet and claw.

Thanks

Best regards
Summerfun
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i guess i'll address your main objective first, since the equipment follows from that.

to be honest, ww/ls hybrids are not good offensive chars. the way you are playing it is basically how it is designed to be played (i'm assuming you ww offensively at least sometimes). LS doesn't have good offensive stunning ability when you aren't spamming MB, so even if you learn to be offensive with a ghost, it won't transfer well to a ls/ww hybrid.

if you do want to be more offensive, i'd stick with something that uses wof, either a ghost or a ww/wof hybrid. but if you're doing all this so that you can evolve your ww/ls play, i don't think you'll get to where you want to be.



 
You might be right about a Hybrid not beeing the best offensive char, my problem is that i dont reall like beeing defensive, i like chasing the opponent and beeing offensive.

So i think a ghost is more me. Lets say i still want to make a Ghost, what gear should i change, and for what?

I really want this char to work.
 
Summerfun said:
You might be right about a Hybrid not beeing the best offensive char, my problem is that i dont reall like beeing defensive, i like chasing the opponent and beeing offensive.

So i think a ghost is more me. Lets say i still want to make a Ghost, what gear should i change, and for what?

I really want this char to work.
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thats what i was hoping :grin:

if you want to try and reuse most of that gear, this is what i would do:

you only need 42% ias if you use 2 GT's, so you need at most 1 ias jewel in your helm. the second slot will be much better used if its filled with an jah or something of the sort.

switch your dungos to a spider, as you'll have enough points into fade for max dr without it, which means you can switch your fcr rings to a second raven frost for more AR/dex, which will let you use a fury vs most casters. you'll still want to keep your fools for when you duel paladins (and possibly barbs, depending on your setup). you can still use a dungos if you want, if you find yourself wanting to pump dclaw/dtalon, since you'll need 15 less points into fade. if you use dtalon, use sdancers, otherwise, use some rare frw/fhr/stat/res boot instead.

other than that, you should be fine. as long as you hit the right bp's, basically any set up will work. if you don't mind trading things, then the setup listed in the guide for 9 shadow gcs is the one i would go for.

good luck with it.



 
I dont see your problem, I find that a hybrid can indeed play very offensively.
Against casters you dont have to be more defensive than a ghost at all as you will be doing exactly the same, only your ww dmg will be a bit lower.
If you trap them correctly and do your whirls right theres no prob at all.

I play as offensive as I can against every char that I meet, also against barbs, smiters, hammerdins as long as it is not stupid.
Means if they tele away I wont wait in my trap cube but follow them and put pressure, just dont forget to build up your trapfield constantly.

I disagree to tjenje, who said that a WW/LS sin could not use wof againt casters? WoFs and a hybrid's whirlwind will screw up casters. ~3k ww dmg each hand combined with wofs is enough to tankout pretty much any caster, it only depends on your whirling technique. (I have lvl46 venom on default equip. lvl1 CM base)
Or why do you say that a hybrid ww/ls assassin is not offensive?

In my opinion a well-built ww/ls assassin can play almost exactly the same way against casters as ghosts and have traps against paladins and barbarians.


PS: @ summerfun: as I noticed you've made major equip improvements. Can I have my old 2ls 2df chaos gt back then? I lend it to you some time ago ^_^
I might want to give it to some other friend that's not as wealthy as I am to back him up a bit.
 
Moritz said:
I dont see your problem, I find that a hybrid can indeed play very offensively.
Against casters you dont have to be more defensive than a ghost at all as you will be doing exactly the same, only your ww dmg will be a bit lower.
If you trap them correctly and do your whirls right theres no prob at all.

I play as offensive as I can against every char that I meet, also against barbs, smiters, hammerdins as long as it is not stupid.
Means if they tele away I wont wait in my trap cube but follow them and put pressure, just dont forget to build up your trapfield constantly.

I disagree to tjenje, who said that a WW/LS sin could not use wof againt casters? WoFs and a hybrid's whirlwind will screw up casters. ~3k ww dmg each hand combined with wofs is enough to tankout pretty much any caster, it only depends on your whirling technique. (I have lvl46 venom on default equip. lvl1 CM base)
Or why do you say that a hybrid ww/ls assassin is not offensive?

In my opinion a well-built ww/ls assassin can play almost exactly the same way against casters as ghosts and have traps against paladins and barbarians.


PS: @ summerfun: as I noticed you've made major equip improvements. Can I have my old 2ls 2df chaos gt back then? I lend it to you some time ago ^_^
I might want to give it to some other friend that's not as wealthy as I am to back him up a bit.
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I know you play VERY offensive, i got a taste of that with my bow ama and windy :azn:

I just dont have the skills witha sin that you do. I havent really played assassins since my fire trapper and tigerstriker back in 1.09.

I was just hoping that playing a Ghost could force me to be more aggresive.

And yes, sure you can have your claw back, do you allso want the 2/20 amu?
i have gotten a better one there to.

Just whisper me



 
oh, ok will do later.


We can do some sin v sin later. We got a quite nice assassin community atm consisting of ... hmm ... me, Rabbi, SicHalo and a friend of me and SicHalo that's not regged here.
All decent hybrid assassins. If you wanna do some duels I'm always in.

PS: we dont do defensive lame sin v sin duels, dont be afraid ^_^ straight in your face
 
I would love to try duel you some time, but i have seen you assassin and how you play it, im pretty sure i would loose every time.
But lets try :D
 
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