OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three

Said the guy who voted/re-voted 5 times yesterday? No one can be 100% sure in this game, it's the point of it. But at some point you have to start with a bit of logic and build from that.

You guys are the ones complaining about townies not taking every single chance they have to lynch. Yesterday, everyone seemed pretty sure about voting for RK and all of sudden we're changing path? That's exactly how the mafia wins, make the townies run left and right day after day.

There's no guarantee in this game but we need to make a plan and stick with it.

Of course we could all go in the same wrong direction and lynch only townies. The more stuff that's out there, the more the mafia has to censor their speech.


 
100% agreed. If you think there should be momentum for RK then keep it going. I think he should be lynched. That's where my votes staying even though you're catching up with him. Just because Rash has a lot of votes and we need a lynching doesn't mean he's the only person to vote for.

And you should note that although I voted for a lot of people yesterday (some for reaction some in jest) you'll notice my final vote fell on one of the two 'contendors' so don't accuse me of wasting my vote when it's not true.

@Rash I have to ask, why are you still on Lister with Habs and RK about? I really don't get it.

If you haven't noticed Brak, my vote is on Moar..., Habs is an outraged something or another.


 
I've got to completely disagree with this. RK has plenty of freestanding evidence that he is mafia. He certaintly doesn't need Rash in kahootz to look suspicious.

And most of Rash's mafia-like behavior has little to nothing to do with RK. I find his role hinting a but troublesome (i.e. yesterday hinted at witness) and it is a bit mafia-like to put words in other people's mouths. But there is no RK link.

@Sint, I think you just like to take on the most talkative person. Glad I'm not on vacation for this round:wink2:

There's just something about these words that's important, I just know there is. I think the town should read them again and again and I wonder if certain ideas will occur to those readers that have recently occurred to me. These ideas are probably going to be needed later, as well as now.


 
And skoolbus, I wasn't talking about things like how often a person posts or logs in, but more of their general personality that comes through in how they post. And knowing people in real life, and things about their personality. I'll keep them to myself, but I can't guarantee that it won't influence my actions.

You're certainly allowed to use them, just not discuss them here.

Rash, you can reply to more than one person in the same post you know, just copy the quote into the same reply.



 
There's just something about these words that's important, I just know there is. I think the town should read them again and again and I wonder if certain ideas will occur to those readers that have recently occurred to me. These ideas are probably going to be needed later, as well as now.

I said them.

Sorry about not noticing your vote. I'm not having the time to create spreadsheets. I'm going to consider Moar a little more. It's generally the wallflowers that are mafia in non-reveal games. Just wish the mafia would kill RK so we don't have to continue to worry about lynching him or not.



 
I said them.

Sorry about not noticing your vote. I'm not having the time to create spreadsheets. I'm going to consider Moar a little more. It's generally the wallflowers that are mafia in non-reveal games. Just wish the mafia would kill RK so we don't have to continue to worry about lynching him or not.

Well, re-read your own words.


 
I thought I was going to have more time online tonight but I don't see myself able to make time for the forums again. Not wishing to let my vote go completely wasted I'll vote now before I leave. With any luck I'll be able to get on again before the day is through in case I need to change it. By the way, I haven't read the last couple pages.

Vote RK.
From the way he posts, he's either Mafia or the Village Idiot and I believe him to be the prior.
 
Sorry for the late post, but when I got home and cooled off (it's been downright hot in So.Cal lately), I realized that I had 10 pages of new posts to read since this morning.

People to comment on:

RK: You are definitely acting strangely. If you were the VI, I would hope you would be a bit more subtle, otherwise the townies would never vote you out, knowing you are the VI. If you were part of the Mafia, and pretending to act like the VI, it would be a perfect cover, except that us townies are smart, and can see through it. Consequentially, knowing that you are Mafia, and the other Mafia know who you are, you are essentially safe from murder at night, so you can act as crazy as you want, and say silly things like you have been with no fear. I believe you are not the VI, but rather a member of the Mafia. Prognosis: Mafia.

Rash: I'm not sure what to make of you. You post quite a bit, kind of like Brak did last round. Brak had some very thought provoking posts, and they showed lots of insight. Unforturnately, that amount of insight worked against him in the end. Prognosis: Undecided, possibly Cop.

Thyiad: Aside from a couple of posts that I can remember, you've not said much. Both days you've made you comment very early in the day, then have been silent the rest of the day. This is exactly the kind of behavior the a Mafia might employ. One person early to plant a seed in everyone's mind, then let it fester amongst the town people, making them point fingers at one another. Then at some point during that day, another Mafia member will chime in, and try to get others to vote the same way. Prognosis: Mafia.

As far as logic goes, I'm siding with what goltar has said regarding the person brought in for questioning (not being the Detective), and Drixx (not being a Mafia member). Unfortunately this early in the game, those two pieces give us little to go on.

Cygnus: Aside from a couple of posts late, not much from you. Prognosis: Undecided.

Sir Lister of Smeg: Your comments have been true to form for the last couple of rounds. I am tending to believe you are not Mafia. Prognosis: Townie, possibly Doctor.

Sint: Your comments also have been true to form (at least as much as you have been able to share). I think you have much insight into what people are typing, and are able to think outside the box, and make semi-logical deductions. Prognosis: Townie.

The rest: Not a whole lot of input really to gauge who you all might be. At this point, anyone could be the vigiliante (we won't know who that person is till the end of the game), or witness (we'll find out who that is as soon as he/she decides to witness. There is the possibility that Drixx was the witness, and decided not to witness last night, and that would be tragic for the rest of the townies. As Sir Lister sacrificed himself early last round, I believe it has to be the same this round. Any chance to eliminate a sure Mafia member has to be taken...sooner rather than later.

I'm tired, and need some sleep. I'll see what has transpired during my rest, and comment again, briefly, in the morning.

VOTE: RK
 
Does anyone think we should give the mafia one more chance to whack RK or do we lynch him today?

I think we should give the mafia another chance to whack him.

@jrlafrance: the witness is passive this game, s/he only reveals his/her killer if the witness is murdered...


 
Does anyone think we should give the mafia one more chance to whack RK or do we lynch him today?

*walks out of the ice rink*

Hey! I can hear you, you know! And if you whack me, I'll whack you back!

*brandishes giant inflatable hammer*

Now, to this Mafia question...I don't see any offices with big "Mafia" signs out front, so I've come to a stunning revelation: they must be pretending to be just like us! Shocking, isn't it? Since they're hiding among us, I did a little research on past Mafia families, and they all seem to be the perfect, model citizen types...until they mix concrete into your socks. Scary!

As I thought all you mathematicians would appreciate it, I busted out my old numerology textbook and crunched some numbers, and the results are quite alarming:

First, just to make sure, I checked myself and from my iris matching the 79th pattern listed in the third edition of Phrenology: A Science, I can safely conclude that I lack a split personality or some other alteration that could make me a member of the Mafia, unknown to even myself! 79, after all, reduces itself to 16, and further to 7, which is, of course, the number of truth. Talk about a freaky feeling when you don’t know for sure, let me tell you. I did find, though, an odd flaw with the 245th and 254th hairs on the back of my right hand (which are interesting in and of themselves, being permutations of each other,) for they clearly predict a dialectic that I have seen is wholly false. Indeed, I have seen this elsewhere, too, and am not sure what to make of it.

Next, I chose to examine Rashiminos, since there seems to be much talk of him. As I of course could not use phrenology here, I switched to his natal chart. Reducing his birthdate of March 26, which makes him an Aries and of the first listed sign, I summed 1, 3, 2 and 6 to yield 12, which further reduces to 3, another number of virtue. Most notable, as well, is that his planets are centered in the southern hemisphere, more precisely at 318 degrees. This strongly suggests that he is too headstrong and individualistic to be a member of a group of secretive criminals.

Jaago seemed a logical next step, since he received all those votes last night (and here I thought that meant people liked him...) Now, an augury yielded a link to the 121st recorded eclipse of the ancient world; as 121 is one of only two perfect squares of x cubed minus 4, where x is 5, it’s logical that any of his indiscretions of the previous day were due to simple restlessness, which 5 represents.

I wasn’t sure who to do next, so I rolled a bunch of dice and got a total of 25. From there, goltar25 seemed to fit the bill, so I went back to natal charts here, since using three methods is auspicious. Much to my horror, his June 1 â€joinâ€birthdate makes him a Gemini, who can act two-faced, and worse yet, it yielded a chart that features Mercury at 295 degrees and Jupiter at 335 degrees, with others scattered wildly. As is known, this represents a grave threat to all those around him!

There are more numbers to be deciphered, to be sure, but I'm quite convinced that what I've seen already in my magic 8-ball is enough to point towards involvement of the Mafia in our own little town!

Vote goltar25



 
Thyiad: Aside from a couple of posts that I can remember, you've not said much. Both days you've made you comment very early in the day, then have been silent the rest of the day. This is exactly the kind of behavior the a Mafia might employ. One person early to plant a seed in everyone's mind, then let it fester amongst the town people, making them point fingers at one another. Then at some point during that day, another Mafia member will chime in, and try to get others to vote the same way. Prognosis: Mafia.

Cygnus: Aside from a couple of posts late, not much from you. Prognosis: Undecided.

Check my sig about silence. I'm *very* busy with work and house hunting. I haven't been posting much at all not just avoiding this thread.

So, I don't much much and I'm mafia, Cygnus doesn't post much but you don't know? :scratch: Trying to incite a lynching of a naturally suspicious person, hmmm?

I'm still thinking there's an awful lot of inactivity. The mafia is leading us in circles and we're just going to sit in a cycle of inactivity.

Hopefully, I'll get to re-read the thread this afternoon.



 
I think we should give the mafia another chance to whack him.

@jrlafrance: the witness is passive this game, s/he only reveals his/her killer if the witness is murdered...

I think that it does not make sense to give the mafia another chance to murder him. Of course it could be that he is the village idiot and the mafia did not murder him out of fear that the doctor would save him (which would make sense since he was acting very much like the village idiot) and they would thus have another failed night. However, the mafia would lose more by not killing the village idiot and having him lynched the next day than by having a failed hit attempt. If they thought otherwise, it's a worse mistake than them not killing anyone the first night and one that will probably make both them and the town lose the game. Especially after their mistake the first night, I think the mafia would be well on their toes and not make such a mistake. Therefore, I think it's safe (in the sense that he's not the village idiot) to lynch RevenantsKnight.
In light of this (RevenantsKnight not being the village idiot unless the mafia is extremely stupid), his strange behaviour (it's entirely different from last round) can only be seen as imitating the village idiot, and I think that the only ones for whom that would make sense are the mafia members. Now the only downside to this argument (at least the only one that I see at the moment) is the possibility that the mafia thought that Drixx was a more likely candidate for village idiot than RevenantsKnight. Personally I saw no such candidacy on Drixx' side, but I'll try to look into his posts to see if there is anything indicating such a possibility. For now, I'll vote for RevenantsKnight however.

vote RevenantsKnight



 
I think that it does not make sense to give the mafia another chance to murder him. Of course it could be that he is the village idiot and the mafia did not murder him out of fear that the doctor would save him (which would make sense since he was acting very much like the village idiot) and they would thus have another failed night. However, the mafia would lose more by not killing the village idiot and having him lynched the next day than by having a failed hit attempt. If they thought otherwise, it's a worse mistake than them not killing anyone the first night and one that will probably make both them and the town lose the game. Especially after their mistake the first night, I think the mafia would be well on their toes and not make such a mistake. Therefore, I think it's safe (in the sense that he's not the village idiot) to lynch RevenantsKnight.
In light of this (RevenantsKnight not being the village idiot unless the mafia is extremely stupid), his strange behaviour (it's entirely different from last round) can only be seen as imitating the village idiot, and I think that the only ones for whom that would make sense are the mafia members.

It is very much in the doctor's interest to see the VI get murdered by the mafia. If the doc thinks RK is the VI, (s)he shouldn't be trying to save him. Likewise, the mafia can hit someone widely suspected to be the VI with little fear of a failed night.

I'm not entirely convinced RK is not the village idiot. It could be a case of the VI trying too much to look like the VI so everyone else will think he's not.

OT: Why does my name keep coming up reg. people who don't post? I've been making a set of posts about once every 24 hours. RL ensures that I can generally only post in the evenings on weekdays, although I try to catch up on this thread in the morning and at lunch.



 
Next, I chose to examine Rashiminos, since there seems to be much talk of him.

There are more numbers to be deciphered, to be sure, but I'm quite convinced that what I've seen already in my magic 8-ball is enough to point towards involvement of the Mafia in our own little town!

That must be some magic 8-ball.


 
Vote RK

I was at first concerned that RK was the village idiot, but as many others seem to agree, he's making himself too obvious of a target... which makes me think he's mafia. I hope we're right, 'cause I'd rather not lose to an idiot :dunce:
 
And as a totally random aside, it might be more fun to be a nutjob this time around instead of an analytical player...look how far that got me, anyway. I may just have to give Noodle a run for his money on the Village Idiot title... :flip:

D'oh. I totally forgot this. Note that this was posted before any roles were assigned, meaning that he is playing that role regardless of his real role in the game.

What I'm trying to imply here is, that most of our analysis of him hold very little ground, if any. It also means that some of us need to reconsider this situation from a totally different point of view. (At least I have to.) Imho, the style of RK's posts has to be ignored so that you can find the logic behind them. There's surprisingly little randomness involved.

I'll come back to business after I have reassembled my vision of the game so far, but as of now, my verdict is: not guilty.



 
D'oh. I totally forgot this. Note that this was posted before any roles were assigned, meaning that he is playing that role regardless of his real role in the game.

What I'm trying to imply here is, that most of our analysis of him hold very little ground, if any. It also means that some of us need to reconsider this situation from a totally different point of view. (At least I have to.) Imho, the style of RK's posts has to be ignored so that you can find the logic behind them. There's surprisingly little randomness involved.

I'll come back to business after I have reassembled my vision of the game so far, but as of now, my verdict is: not guilty.

I would happen to concur with these statements...


 
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