Zombie invasion Mafia game.

[ThunderCat]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

Can we please move any player disagreements to PMs and let this thread finish it's meaning? It will die soon, forgotten in the dungeons of second page and beyond. Let it's final moments be happy ones.

 

[Gorny1]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

And with that I am unsticking. This record of longest game in terms of posts and time might never be broken haha. Thanks again TC

 

[ThunderCat]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

The longest game, yes. The game with most posts, no. The Saw game has more posts.

 

[Feysal]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

Looks like the game has finally ended. Very surprising that the cult actually managed to win. Had I been town and alive, I'd have pegged Krazeyivan and Zarniwoop for sure. My last comment in the mafia QT was speculation about Krazeyivan being the recruiter, but that did not add up because he had done some real investigation I'd forgotten. If it was not him, the only possibility for cult recruiter was Zarniwoop. There were no other civilians who could've had that role.

Of course I had the advantage of being dead and knowing there was a cult. But, I do say that it is possible to hunt for cultists. I've done it in past games, and I've had success with it.

Anyway, back to this game... I don't think the game mechanics really worked very well. I don't really like roles with any kind of randomness in their abilities (like the random aspect of scouting or success rate of the cult recruiter). I think that a game should be balanced without such things, since it can happen that the random number generator has a larger impact on the game than player decisions. If Zarniwoop had been scouted earlier, instead of being one of the very last, it'd have been an entirely different game.

For the record, what Bad Ash said about me going against my beliefs with my votes, I really don't think I was doing that at all. I have, as town, voted to lynch at deadline if there was no better alternative and if I had no reason to believe the lynch was on town. I did the same thing twice this game, and I believe I will do so again next time I am town.

That brings me to the next topic. Who has the next game? I've lost track of how many people have claimed the next game. I know I'm in there somewhere, no idea when.

 

[Technomancer]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

Techno, you may not be aware, but mafia players recieve the names and roles of those that they kill (usually), so I was aware of your name and role after your death by our hit man.

I figured as much, but when I saw that, I jumped out of my chair and went...

 

[Ankeli1]

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Ankeli for once accept that YOUR actions got YOU banned. Everytime you screw up in mafia and get killed/the thread closed/banned you blame someone else.

Read these especially rules one (flaming) and nine (accepting decisions).

You have caused problems in at least three Mafia games to my knowledge. On that basis, I'd say you could find the problem by looking in a mirror.

I didn't ask Orphan to ban you; that's not how it works. He say a crap storm in his sub-forum and dealt with it. If you believe he banned you because I asked him to, you do us both a diservice. Take it up with us and/or Elly via PM rather than BSing in public.

Moderators do ask for input on difficult/borderline decisions. This wasn't one. It was clear cut, over the line flaming/trolling.

I'll just reply to this openly.

I'm aware of the rules. I didn't flame nor troll you, I was playing the game the way I play it. Were I in your shoes at the time I wouldn't have reacted the way you did. Also neither did I disagree with the decision at any point or complain over it. Everyone can make up their mind whether I got banned for what I said or because I said it to you, regardless of what you or Orphan say.

What happened was simply due to clashing personalities. You're emotional and easily offended by taboos. Me, I couldn't give less about other people's feelings, find stuff hilarious that most people would find disgusting / morally wrong / sick, and I say what I deem fitting no matter what the situation is. You're the sort of person I'd disagree with about pretty much everything were we to have a conversation regardless of the topic.

Having said that, the apology was sincere and still stands. It also comes with a promise that I'm going to avoid interacting with you in the future.

 

[Goryani]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

Thanks for hosting ThunderCat. Was this the RPG game you were talking about earlier?

In looking over the game setup and night actions, I see only the busdriver, cult recruiter and mafia hitman had an affect on the game. Even then, the busdriver and cult recruiter didn't have an impact until the random number generator eliminated almost every other valid choice first. Everything else ended up being information with no measurable outcome on the ending. I forget how many pages you said the game rules required, but to have the game come down to a couple of paragraphs of abilities and the RNG strikes me as unusual.

Did any game event/story hint at a cult or did any player have knowledge of a cult? I'm not sure how the town can defeat a cult they can't even detect. I don't think I was the only one thinking of a non-zombie mafia ushered into the town by the scout (to skirt by the 'zombie mafia won't show up as citizens' line). I'm not opposed to cults, but I do think the town needs to know about them. Cults are too hidden if the mafia don't know of their existence until after they are dead.

Wish I could have stayed around a bit longer, but there were too many things to figure out so I'm not surprised I died early. I don't remember ANYONE trying to identify who was scouted each night by analyzing the mod given results and corroborating with the soft claims.

I'm really really surprised a mass roleclaim didn't happen days earlier. Passing items works as a cop. Numbers related to abilities works as a mason group. There were no critical roles if claims happened day 1 (the busdriver was critical only because it took so long for the town to stop chasing after red herrings - a scavenger didn't even recognize the hints of another scavenger...). Say what you want about outing power roles, but forcing mafia to false claim day 1 and BACK UP the false claim the rest of the game is undeniably powerful itself.

Not gonna comment on the mod killed, except to say the mod kills were/are necessary to ensure future games run better.


Edit: How many people became suspicious of me for changing my avatar to a zombie?

 

[Orphan]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

I'm aware of the rules. I didn't flame nor troll you, I was playing the game the way I play it. Were I in your shoes at the time I wouldn't have reacted the way you did. Also neither did I disagree with the decision at any point or complain over it. Everyone can make up their mind whether I got banned for what I said or because I said it to you, regardless of what you or Orphan say.

Ankeli, I may not be the most public moderator on this forum, but rest assured I do read almost everything that takes place within the community section including the ones in the mafia games. It didn't matter whom the target of your abuse was in this game, the outcome would still have been the same. If you choose to believe otherwise, I doubt anything anyone could say would shatter that delusion.

The forum has rules regarding personal attacks against other members, and this is also reflected in the community rules stickied at the top. I'm fully aware that the mafia games can become quite heated, and there's been a number of situations that have arisen in the past which exemplify this. When monitoring the threads and discussions, I've always taken the context of the game into consideration when deciding whether a verbal sparring session is considered in good faith or interest of the game and participants, or whether it crosses the line. As far as I'm concerned, you crossed the line in this case.

Contrary to what you believe, the attacks that were made in this thread by you were personal attacks against another member, and not in the spirit of the game. To have further inflamed them by the sexists remarks (That, if anything, was a female tantrum; due to your overly female reaction, just someone who's too blind to see the forest from the trees; Oh, but she did flip into self pity in a way only a woman does) is for this reason that you received the temporary ban, and I don't give a **** who the recipient is. This is unacceptable and has nothing to do with the game.

Also, don't try to play the "innocent" card here. You've been warned a number of times by a number of people about situations like these. Take some responsibility for your actions

 

[Ankeli1]

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Also, don't try to play the "innocent" card here. You've been warned a number of times by a number of people about situations like these. Take some responsibility for your actions

Innocent card? Take responsibility? How? Like apologizing?

...

Oh, snap.

It doesn't mean that I agree.

 

[Orphan]

Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.

Innocent card? Take responsibility? How? Like apologizing?

Nope, by accepting that you were banned for what you did, and not who you did it to.

Your agreement isn't a requirement. Never was.

This thread has run it's course and I'd rather close it then let it degrade on much further. There isn't anything else that needs to be said relating to the ban. If anyone has any questions, they can send me a PM

I'd like to thank TC for running the game. I think he did an excellent job and I enjoyed reading it.