Zombie invasion Mafia game.

[Kraz3yIvan]

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At this moment in time I have no problem with an ankeli lynch. Why exactly would a self claimed doc still be here? Even sitting outside the town with no ability thats something a mafia group would want wiped out pronto

 

[Sathoris]

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I tried to post a carefully weighed and balanced evaluation of what I had seen at that point. I'm pretty sure I did no *** covering.

Maybe you should look up the definition. You blatantly said the town should grill me and Assrin if Val turned out town. Pointing the fingers at us for the mislynch. Yet you would be ready to congratulate the town, all of us, if val flipped scum. Where's your opinion. Whatever the outcome you can point back to that post and say I told you so.

BUT then to get it wrong again and go after me starts to indicate a scum like pattern.

You're not confirmed town.

Also I've yet to see/remember a game when someone has been 7 - 8 votes in and people all changed their minds and picked someone else.

If you don't try then no. Captain Hindsight strikes again!

Now your compounding your error (if by some miracle your not mafia) by going after me - I pretty sure you are scum simply cos what you've done today is exactly what I would do in a mafia role coupled with your knowledge gleaned from NKs.

How would any NK knowledge explain my actions? Do you know that the NK knowledge might influence the gameplay of a mafia?

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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The only reason to keep Ankeli alive if he is a townie (even power townie) is that he confuses just about everyone!

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

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The lynch was already done before I got online, I think the people to watch are possibly the one's named above- Sath for his lynching of anyone who questions him- not very pro-town unless there is reason behind it, Noammr for his completely out of character vote in the early minutes of the game, saying I will justify this later......... Bad Ash jumped in pretty quick aswell..... and last but not least we have a player who claimed doc and is still alive 3 days later...... now wouldn't the mafia kill a claimed doc?

Why didn't you expand on your thoughts yesterday? Most of your posts were you stating you believed Val was townie and possible reasons why.

It's kind of odd that you were away for the later part of the voting right until I locked him then you pop in with 5-10 minutes to go to post 2 filler posts.

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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How would any NK knowledge explain my actions? Do you know that the NK knowledge might influence the gameplay of a mafia?

You would know (I think) the roles of the people you've NK'd - you would also know I'm pro town (highly likely from mafia perspective) and that yesterday I posted that I would very much like to get scouted (thats bad if your mafia) since you would also deduce I've some sort of positive outcome for the town (your NK actions were elsewhere for whatever reason)

Good news from your mafia perspective - I was not rescued last night makes me a rather nice target to gang up on now even better if you can save a NK by getting me lynched.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

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Sath, do you think the Scientist is the currently the least useful role?

 

[I_Told_You]

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Why didn't you expand on your thoughts yesterday? Most of your posts were you stating you believed Val was townie and possible reasons why.

It's kind of odd that you were away for the later part of the voting right until I locked him then you pop in with 5-10 minutes to go to post 2 filler posts.

Why would I expand on my thoughts close to the end of the day- with no chance of a lynch?

The only possible gain would be for the mafia who could either night kill me to make my suspisions look guilty, or night kill my suspisions to make me look guilty........

Also - I put forward my belief about Val yesterday and did anyone listen?

 

[Sathoris]

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and that yesterday I posted that I would very much like to get scouted (thats bad if your mafia)

I thought the general concensus was that mafia's can be scouted into the town aswell. Your mafia role PM says differently?

Sath, do you think the Scientist is the currently the least useful role?

No, do you?

 

[zarniwoop]

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The only reason to keep Ankeli alive if he is a townie (even power townie) is that he confuses just about everyone!

And that helps only the mafia.

I'm leaning towards voting Sathoris solely so I don't have to read his intolerably nasty posting style anymore.

 

[Feysal]

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Well damn. So Valhauros was town, and a power role at that. I thought it was possible he could be a stranded power role who for some reason got confused about when he could use his night action. Losing a soldier to a lynch is not good, and is only more annoying since he could have confirmed himself as town by claiming. If he was the only one who claimed to have defended the town from the zombie attack the night before, that would've been enough to confirm him if he was not counterclaimed.

As for Asrrin, I was apparently wrong about him as well. Based on his first post I pegged him as a stranded soldier, and the way he claimed to have information yesterday I thought he'd have been recruited and learned things that way. We did not lose any citizens, so obviously he was still stranded.

We get more bad news from the zombie attack. We lost and the fort was overrun, and morale has gone down. What is worse, the zombie threat has doubled overnight. I studied the formula in the news post, and even if both of our soldiers stand guard tonight and add 5 to defense, the town only has a 20% chance of fending off another attack. That means we can only count on two more lynches that are guaranteed to work, after that the 25% fail rate will, more likely than not, come into play. We'd have to get lucky, or get a pro-town random event to avoid that now.

At first glance, it might look good that we got three new members into the town tonight, but the implications of that are worrisome. First, how could a scout possibly target three different people? In the flash game, the leaders target areas, and can thus invite groups of up to four people. If the scout can do something similar, that would explain the three new recruits... but it also means that the scout cannot know who the new town members are. That would pretty much ruin the odds of using the citizen roster to find scum. It is obvious now that all citizens do not know each other, so all that roster gives us is a list of roles that can be claimed.

The second thing is that seven people completely fills the first house. For some reason the town report says 7/10 for housing, while the rules say that one house can only contain 7 people. Can't remember if TC ever clarified that. Hopefully the townies can build something without an engineer, Valhauros's claim of helping the scavenger on night one would suggest that specialists are not required for everything. Since there are no finished researches after three nights, I'd guess that the scientist may be building something instead of doing research.

 

[Technomancer]

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AGH!! Asrrin!! Nooo!!!

I thought the mafia would keep him alive as a possible lynch suspect today, but since I (all but) knew he was totally town, anyone else who's been paying attention did as well. It seemed Gory was being Townie VIP day 1, and Asrrin seemed to be going for Townie VIP on day 2. Be careful, potential VIPs!! I'm also surprised that, apparently, he wasn't in town! The way he posted, it sounded like a foregone conclusion, but that's probably precisely why they hit him. Dammit.

In retrospect, I guess the whole Val thing can be drummed up to n00b gaffs on his part, but Asrrin seemed to know things that, also in retrospect, he couldn't really know. I think he just got a little overzealous.

Sathoris was the other conductor on the Val train, but since Asrrin was clean, that doesn't necessarily damn Sath. However, Sath has creeping me out since the beginning, really.

I had a theory about Ankeli that may have lent him an excuse as to why he hasn't been NK'd over the whole 'Doc' thing, but last night's NK has TOTALLY destroyed that excuse. I had wondered if the Mafia may only be able to lynch people *in* Town, and the outsiders may be safe. Asrrin being killed and not being part of Town throws that out completely, so Ankeli has been a viable Mafia target both nights, yet still lives. :scratchchin:

As to Val's list, there are some real errors in it, so I don't put a great deal of stock in it. One thing that does catch my eye however is that he put KI as an Engineer. Now, as far as I can tell, that is based on absolutely nothing (but the Mafia can't know for sure), but if he *is* an Engineer, he would be a hot target for the Mafia (since we're already down one), either for a trumped up lynch or a NK. The super-quick 1-2 lynch-punch against him by Sath and Noammr pings my radar.

Is Noodle off the hook?

No. Hell no! He should have been lynched on day 1! He basically was lynched, he just got off on a technicality!! I was about to bring it up again yesterday (I *sorta* did), but it didn't look like it would have gone anywhere and I didn't have anything new to add against him that hadn't already been said. He has been vewy vewy quiet huh huh huh huh!, and I don't know if this is normal for Noodle, but looks like he's doing a bit of "out of sight, out of mind" posturing to me.

This is a question for you Mafia veterans: Is Noodle normally this quiet and vague? I don't know this, but some of you might. It feels suspicious, but some of you may know better than me.

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@TC: 48 hours! Yay! This game has been SLOW!

 

[Technomancer]

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The second thing is that seven people completely fills the first house. For some reason the town report says 7/10 for housing, while the rules say that one house can only contain 7 people. Can't remember if TC ever clarified that. Hopefully the townies can build something without an engineer, Valhauros's claim of helping the scavenger on night one would suggest that specialists are not required for everything. Since there are no finished researches after three nights, I'd guess that the scientist may be building something instead of doing research.

This has been concerning me too. Houses can hold 7, but Town capacity is listed as 10? Is there a basic assumption that Town has 3 extra slots, but each NEW House adds 7 or what?

I have a bad feeling that losing Uraj right off the bat and missing Noodle by 1 MINUTE (!!!) may have really put the momentum against us. We could REALLY use a School (assuming this follows the game in that regard) and a new House fairly soon!

 

[Noammr]

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First off - getting a bit irritated with the "omg, early vote is suspicious" half of you seem to be going on about. The last days have given us plenty of info to act upon and I see no reason not to kick it off asap but if you like I can wait half a day next time.

Ivan rose a spot on my list every time he called out for a scout to rescue him, but the post that set him as the prime suspect was this one, referring to Val's lynch:

And results would be interesting...

Valhauros - townie - Sathoris and Asrrin get grilled
Valhauros - Mafia - Noammr and ITY get grilled

Mislynch = assume one of the two active players pushing for said lynch are mafia?
Misguided at best, trying to mislead the town at worst (Especially considering there were fairly compelling reasons to lynch Val)...knowing Asrrin to be town doesn't help his case either.

Ivan - 2 people vote for you and are automatically labelled as mafia? Nice logic there. Why not explain the reasoning behind your numerous posts calling for a scout to target you?

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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I thought the general concensus was that mafia's can be scouted into the town aswell. Your mafia role PM says differently?

When was this concensus ever reached? I have no clue what the mafia role PM's say. For this one simple reason..............I'm not mafia!

But I'll make you a deal - If I get 9 votes against me (you have 2 at the moment) I'll lock vote myself as the other townies will have shown that they deserve all the lovely lemon pie to be raided and eaten for being blind and silly!

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

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Why would I expand on my thoughts close to the end of the day- with no chance of a lynch?

Well yesterday was 72 hours long, you don't have to post your suspicions in the final minutes. Or was constantly claiming that Val was townie the only thing on your mind?

The only possible gain would be for the mafia who could either night kill me to make my suspisions look guilty, or night kill my suspisions to make me look guilty........

So none of us should post our suspicion list in fear of being NK'd or being set up? When did you become afraid?

Also - I put forward my belief about Val yesterday and did anyone listen?

Is this your 'I told you' moment? (pun) :crazyeyes:

He dead and yeah he was a townie, but can we turn a crisis into an opportunity?

One thing that I agree with you is I'm pretty sure at least 1 mafia pushed for the Val lynch.

No, do you?

The research probably takes a long time and the benefits are probably only small improvements. It's not like something groundbreaking like a cure for cancer. Other roles get immediate results like recruiting, getting food or defending from zombies.

As Feysal said, things are getting seriously dangerous as the threat level was at 13 but increased by another 13. I wouldn't expect we gather ourselves together late game for a come from behind surprise to happen; we got to start lynching mafia now to have a chance to win.

... yada yada ...

Have you always been this explainy?

 

[Bad Ash]

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Vote: Krazeyivan

waaay over posting to cover his butt at this point. `like big time.

Also, yes techno noodle is usually this quiet but please lynch him asap.

and @Zhao the Noodle + Ankeli theory has been almost irrelevant after the failed lynch (which is very typical in mafia games). Not sure how that is a "really, it wasnt the focus of discussion?" post from you which is a waste of both of our times

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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Ivan rose a spot on my list every time he called out for a scout to rescue him, but the post that set him as the prime suspect was this one, referring to Val's lynch:


Mislynch = assume one of the two active players pushing for said lynch are mafia?
Misguided at best, trying to mislead the town at worst (Especially considering there were fairly compelling reasons to lynch Val)...knowing Asrrin to be town doesn't help his case either.

Ivan - 2 people vote for you and are automatically labelled as mafia? Nice logic there. Why not explain the reasoning behind your numerous posts calling for a scout to target you?

Right last post before bed - not once in my quote did I infer or declare either set of players (depending on Vals results) mafia. I said that we need to pay closer attention to the two names once we had the result. Are they instantly mafia - no but they certainly are paid more attention to post wise and their following day activity. Logical arguments for someones lynch is fine but we had (as I have mentioned) a bit of a witch hunt yesterday leaving us with no other lynch target tbh.

I posted maybe 3 times during the day yesterday on the scouting issue - mainly in the hope I would get scouted. - I did not want to be NK'd without some chance of being useful. While your comment is very cleverly designed to ask for clues on my role in this game (if any) suffice it to say I think I would have been useful, hence the gambit of trying to get scouted. If I was playing mafia I would be spreading the seed of mistrust too if anyone made mention of needing rescue/scouting. That seems to be what happened which was disappointing. I think the mafia's top agenda item right now is let NO match swinging townies in if they can help it.

Since I made mention of wanting rescue yesterday - alarm bells set off regards the quick vote.

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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Vote: Krazeyivan

waaay over posting to cover his butt at this point. `like big time.

Also, yes techno noodle is usually this quiet but please lynch him asap.

and @Zhao the Noodle + Ankeli theory has been almost irrelevant after the failed lynch (which is very typical in mafia games). Not sure how that is a "really, it wasnt the focus of discussion?" post from you which is a waste of both of our times

Dude its a rare time I'm online for a few hours straight at home - why not post!
This really does remind me of the time when Leo mis-read me with her cop power and I spent ages posting (a lot) defending myself all for naught.

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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Right this really is the last post!

3 for Ivan - at 9 I self lock - you have been warned.

PS - My favourite mafia game moment was when I vapourised 3 people in Gornys Star Trek game, I think a few people really target me since then - lol

 

[Noammr]

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But I'll make you a deal - If I get 9 votes against me (you have 2 at the moment) I'll lock vote myself as the other townies will have shown that they deserve all the lovely lemon pie to be raided and eaten for being blind and silly!

Ivan, please don't you go all emo on us - change out mind with strong arguments, not rage induced suicide threats .

Is this your 'I told you' moment? (pun) :crazyeyes:

*Badaboom tsh*


Preview edit;
Glad to see you're not giving up, Ivan.
I'm in no way fishing for your role: you asking to be scouted time and again in such an overt way makes sense in a very limited number of scenarios I can think of, and you're not town aligned in most. I'm giving you a chance to explain your actions...I was hoping you could shed some light on it without actually revealing your role, you're saying you absolutely can't?