You know that thing with the take zod out of ethereal wep in 1.09??

fonis toastes said:
But yeah, using these is cheating. Muling, however, is not cheating. Spoon, you sound like a cheater to me, and dracoy, you sound like a little schoolboy really wanting to cheat :)
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Ok you say muling is not cheating while exploiting zod bug is. You have anything to back up your statement? Muling (especialy self muling) was not a intended concept of the game, you won't find in any of blizzard manuals or strategy guides info about muling or how to execute it. So if it's not intended it must be cheating right? But it isn't. Because nowhere is said that it is. The only basis on which we can define cheating is blizzard's terms of use. It is funny how section 10(ix) constitutes that you cannot use duplicated items that were created utilizing programming error and so on, but there's not a word about other items created or modified by exploiting programming error. So as i said technicly unzod exploit isn't a cheat, if this opinion is enough for you to think of me as a cheater then i say your judgment is very limited and short-sighted.
 
Spoon i love your avatar....

Anyways

One last confirmation from someone. If i unsocket my armor 1.09 zodded ethereal armor now it will be indestructible and not lose durability.

This is something HUGe im doing not something little O_O
 
Dracoy said:
Spoon i love your avatar....

Anyways

One last confirmation from someone. If i unsocket my armor 1.09 zodded ethereal armor now it will be indestructible and not lose durability.

This is something HUGe im doing not something little O_O
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I have seen indestructible ethereal hellslayer/shaftstop which were unsocketed;so it is 100 % sure info
 
squigipapa said:
ok ... so don't exploit the bug .. you socketed the item with a zod. You no longer like your choice of socketing the item with a zod, so use a cube recipe that Blizzard created for the purpose of unsocketing things. How exactly is this cheating? If I have a zodded item that I truely don't want the zod in anymore, and I'd like to use up the druability on, what exactly am I supposed to do? Leave the zod in the item because of a mistake that blizzard made? I don't think so, everything involved in this is completly within the parameters of the game! I find exploiting the marrowwalk bug is way more of a cheat than this, however it could be argued that Blizzard is well aware of the marrowwalk 'bug' and that's the way they wanted it, cause they haven't removed it, and I'm sure that it's not because they can't.
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They also didn't remove the Eth bug for about a year and a half and yet that was a blatant cheat to use and abuse. It removed the whole concept of attack rating and defense from all pvp and pvm alike with the addition of a very common rune. It worked better than Jah which is really high up there (don't want to look up the # at the moment). Eth was a cheat to use, and therefore so is the marrowalk and the zod abuse.

To the guy saying that muling is still cheating, you're an idiot. They also say in the manuals that sorceresses are spellcasters, but people play them as melee characters. Does that make them cheaters? No. The point is simply not whether or not Blizzard says it can be done, but whether you can use your head with common sense and see if it should be done given Blizzard's rules. The Zod rune is used to give Indestructibility. Therefore, when removed, like all other gems/runes/jewels, the mod should be gone too. No, its still there, that's a bug and a bug that is abused is a cheat.

Muling is simply a game playing concept. There is no rule that it is breaking. Just preconceptions by you that all characters should be played, not made and then used for storage. You're misinterpreting "creativity" with "cheating" and I know you're using it as a counterexample to back up your fight for your sad sad addiction for whatever cheating you do. It's really annoying to talk to someone that you know knows its cheating, but says its not, and gives dicky arguments that are blatantly stupid just to be an ***. That's why I don't think I'll be reading anymore of your posts.
 
lol, Drac, if you're THAT unsure about this, I think it would be better for you to leave it in. :lol: Or get a non-eth cham'd valor for that matter.
 
fonis toastes :

You do not have to be so mean... Everyone has their OWN opinion on what is what. That is what makes mankind unique. All your posts have had very rude comments to people. Just stop, we are not discussing morality of this issue since i bet if u had melee in 1.09 that dueled i bet u used eth, i didnt even think it was glitched or anything i always thought it was a normal part of the game not a glitch. But yes im gonna use it and i have absolutely no regrets. If this post seems rude i am very sorry. All i want is everyone to be nice to each other i hate when people start doing this on forums. please fonis just stop.

one last time:

i take the zod out of the 1.09 ethereal item will it retain indestructibility and stay that forever?


Edit Vite ^_^

Im so scared i dont wanna ruin my favorite item hehe.

Anyways i really need the def and i can not compare to the 50k 2.8k ethereal tyreal armor chars that are friken beastly...
 
If it loses its indestructible mod, its merc armour forever.heh. But as pointed if its zoded b4 1.10 it should stay indestructible
 
Dracoy said:
fonis toastes :

You do not have to be so mean... Everyone has their OWN opinion on what is what. That is what makes mankind unique. All your posts have had very rude comments to people. Just stop, we are not discussing morality of this issue since i bet if u had melee in 1.09 that dueled i bet u used eth, i didnt even think it was glitched or anything i always thought it was a normal part of the game not a glitch. But yes im gonna use it and i have absolutely no regrets. If this post seems rude i am very sorry. All i want is everyone to be nice to each other i hate when people start doing this on forums. please fonis just stop.
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Then my opinion is that the 3 new people I've learned about today I could have done without learning about. And you've only seen me post mean things because today was high on the mean-thing scale for me because what I've seen today is a larger than usual posting of stupid things, repeatedly.

Even though they may be opinions, that does not make them right. In fact, some opinions are more right than others, and that's based on the fact that some make more sense, have more credibility, and aren't as inane as others.

Also, no, I never used Eth. In fact I first brought up the fact that Eth was a bug in the pala forum with Kilm long long ago. My assy's all used Shae'd or Zod'd (due to being ethereal) Tucs and my zealots used Shae'd Schaefer's or Amn'd BStars. I mostly pvm'd with the zealots. I was also against C/T/R's due to the fact (not to mention a few other facts I have about them) that they used a Fury zerker to charge in instead of the usual silence, thus scoring a hit 1/4 of the time instead of the average 1/15 - 1/10. And they did it simply for that fact, too, because it was cheating. No, I didn't use Eth. At least not in weapons.

I think the reason I don't like you very much is because you've asked this thread about 5+ times whether you should unsocket that when many of us know for a fact that it won't hurt it. Jesus, just unsocket it. It's just an item, if for some ungodly reason it f's up and loses the mod. Not losing much there.

Seriously though, just do it, you won't lose the mod.
 
There is a difference, what i am about to unsocket is not JUST an item, its my pride and joy. It is what keeps me on diablo. I always want to make a char around the item. Its my favorite item of all time. I once talked about it for 1 month non stop to my friends. 2 years ago i posted the item in this forum so much everyone knew my next post would be a pciture of the item so alot of oldies still remember the item ^_^

Its my baby so i want absolute suredom. I can be crazy and go over the item its jus my personality. The little things is what make me me.
 
I dont wanna exploit the bug that badly. Ill unsocket the ethereal zodded cb then and ill tell u all if it works ^_^
 
Dracoy - i wouldn't do it. I'm 99.99% sure it doesn't work anymore. At least first try it with some lesser value item.
fonis toastes said:
Muling is simply a game playing concept.
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Any proofs? Spamming level 1 characters to store your stuff is game concept? As far as i know all this games' concepts are listed in Arreat Summit. For some reason there's nothing about muling.
fonis toastes said:
There is no rule that it is breaking.
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That was exactly the point of my previous post. Unzod exploit same as muling doesn't breake any rules created by blizzard.
fonis toastes said:
You're misinterpreting "creativity" with "cheating" and I know you're using it as a counterexample to back up your fight for your sad sad addiction for whatever cheating you do.
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Now that's a nice piece of inflamatory posting. My sad addiction to cheating i do? How do you even know that i play diablo at all? Assumptions, assumptions...
fonis toastes said:
It's really annoying to talk to someone that you know knows its cheating, but says its not, and gives dicky arguments that are blatantly stupid just to be an ***.
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I'm so sorry for pointing out the fact. As i said previously in this post i also think that abusing this exploit is morally cheating. And omfg i'm soooo hurt by your 3 letter compliment to me. I'm gonna cry and kill myself now.
fonis toastes said:
That's why I don't think I'll be reading anymore of your posts.
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Fine. I know that "holier than you" guys like you are fond of hiding their heads in the sand after encountering arguments they can't beat. It's ok...no it really is.
 
Dracoy, is this the valor that has +2 to all chars?

Can't you replace the Zod if it looses the indestructable mod? I mean, you don't seem to have any trouble getting good stuff for your chars, so you have to be able to afford to loose a Zod, right?
 
Dude... you have a huge tradelist on your site... a bunch of things could sell for a lot, and besides, Zod runes are pretty cheap now (relatively).
 
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