Wow....i'm so impressed by pk's

MoUsE_WiZ said:
Edit: That's what we need! HC forum vs SPF flamewar!! I don't remember having one of those, only cross forum flaming I recall is us vs SC doolars.
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Yea, but how exactly would these flames go?

"Internet play is the suxxor!"

"No it's not, you're poor!"

"Bnet sucks!"

Sounds like a crappy flamewar to me. :p
 
As far as I am concerned TPPK is a hack. 99.9% (a guess) of the people are using a script to do it. While I realize it is possible to do a TPPK without a hack, it is very, very difficult to pull it off manually. I think the person's beef was that he was "hacked" and not killed legit. My complaint is that Blizzard does not address this type of hack and, as pointed out earlier, has had a significant effect on Public games. They could have fixed this in 1.10, but chose not to. It is shame that people have to resort to things like playing only in private games, or use hacks (chicken) to defend against hacks. I wish Blizz. could stop TPPK, Bots, Chicken and yes Maphack {full disclosure I have used MH before :( }. They really do take away from the game and make it “unfair†to legit players and legit PKers.
 
its amazing.... you can dissapear for over a year, come back and people are still debating this thing.

solution:
->play solo
->play offline
->pretend other players are just evil monsters that must be avoided at all costs
->play carebear mode

Its not like bnet will suddenly become a cheat free zone, so you may as well get used to it and get over it. Its there, and won't go away.
 
NightShade said:
Lovely.


Listen folks. They are here. You can sit and ***** when it happens to you, you can avoid it, or you can go play SC and not have to worry about it at all if it upsets you to that degree. I kill innocent pvm'ers but by jumping them at a waypoint. I don't agree with tppk, how ever coming on here to rant about them is probably the dumbest idea in history...

Fail, learn, succeed, find a new thing to fail at and overcome it...welcome to the process of learning, it's at it's finest in games.
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Hardly the dumbest. Wanting a HC experience the way the game was meant to be played and being told to play softcore is probably the dumbest.
 
This game is old, and Blizzard doesn't care about it anymore. If you're gonna complain about it not being maintained well, then just quit. Find a new game or better yet, a healthier hobby altogether.
 
When I make a game called BAALRUN that means to me I wanna PvM and PvM stands for ?????? Right PLAYER vs MONSTER.
Last thing I wanna do is PvP and isn't that PLAYER versus PLAYER? And isn't PKing (legal or non-legal) not equal to PvP?
I started HC with the intention not to be killed by a Monster and that's already excitement enough to me. Not the least interested in any PvP (including PK).
Why didn't those great Blizzard guys came with the idea when someone hostiles you, you have to push that hostile button also so you fight it out if your interested. Face to face. Else bad luck for the guy that tries to hostile you :uhhuh: Why o why??
And for those so called experts with their "I play D2 since day 1 and I ... blah blah .... go back to SC if you can't stand it". I play this game for years and years too but to me it's annoying when a in real-life frustrated person comes in my D2 game and backstabs me (the chicken) so he has fun for less then 1 sec where I can start my work from hours/days all over again.
Can someone explain me the point of PKing (especially the so called legal PK, don't make me laugh). Try to ask that legal PK-er to get lost, that your not interested and he should leave your game. Guess what he does :scratch:

My point? Cause Blizzard forgot to give someone the opportunity to excecpt a challenge (with that hostile button) frustated lvl 90 cowards get their change to bring their real-life personality problems in this FANTASTIC game (never played a better and more beautiful game so far) so they can intimidate lvl 20 PvM-ers.

RULE: You're only allowed to PK someone who's at least 40 levels higher then you are :thumbsup: (And they crawled back in there holes)
 
I made a game called rush me plz and I expected to get rushed too...Sucks how that turns out eh?

Ranting about pkers in general when you're angry at tppk is a bad thing

Ranting about them on a board where it has been ranted about 10000's of times...Not good...

Comparing contrasting "OMG THEY HAVE NO LIFE THEY LUV DA GAME TOO MUCH" when you're visably (pseudo visably) upset over the loss of your character just puts another nail in it.


Play Sc. Play sc and delete your character when you die to a monster.

Thats the only way, otherwise yes, there will be pkers, cheaters, people who just don't like you...and they will "ruin" your experience.
 
Twinkle said:
RULE: You're only allowed to PK someone who's at least 40 levels higher then you are :thumbsup: (And they crawled back in there holes)
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I use a lvl 16 to PK 30+ chars in baal runs....i'm sorry if your PVM char cant stand up to someone half your lvl (regardless of your lvl) then your pvm char is not pvm at all, its a leech.



And for the record i'm very happy in life and pvp isnt a release of frustration. Its simply more challenging. Theres more variety in trying to kill other players then it is being a robot all night long killing the same unchanging monsters. If you've never experienced pvp first hand you cant understand that its simply a different style of playing, no better no worse just different.


.....I promised myself I wasnt gonna post again in this thread :/ regardless of these arguments being terribly redundant...at least theres some energy in them and mixes it up from the sea of OT we've been having...
 
Twinkle said:
When I make a game called BAALRUN that means to me I wanna PvM and PvM stands for ?????? Right PLAYER vs MONSTER.
Last thing I wanna do is PvP and isn't that PLAYER versus PLAYER? And isn't PKing (legal or non-legal) not equal to PvP?
I started HC with the intention not to be killed by a Monster and that's already excitement enough to me. Not the least interested in any PvP (including PK).
Why didn't those great Blizzard guys came with the idea when someone hostiles you, you have to push that hostile button also so you fight it out if your interested. Face to face. Else bad luck for the guy that tries to hostile you :uhhuh: Why o why??
And for those so called experts with their "I play D2 since day 1 and I ... blah blah .... go back to SC if you can't stand it". I play this game for years and years too but to me it's annoying when a in real-life frustrated person comes in my D2 game and backstabs me (the chicken) so he has fun for less then 1 sec where I can start my work from hours/days all over again.
Can someone explain me the point of PKing (especially the so called legal PK, don't make me laugh). Try to ask that legal PK-er to get lost, that your not interested and he should leave your game. Guess what he does :scratch:

My point? Cause Blizzard forgot to give someone the opportunity to excecpt a challenge (with that hostile button) frustated lvl 90 cowards get their change to bring their real-life personality problems in this FANTASTIC game (never played a better and more beautiful game so far) so they can intimidate lvl 20 PvM-ers.
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I'm bored enough atm to answer this...

The hostile button mechanic is there and works how it does. Blizzard has even publically aknowleged that they're happy with its implementation on some web site that has eventually closed down or something -> that website put up a massive protest to change the hostile button so that it was consentual. That was back before the expansion, and the hostile mechanism still hasn't changed one bit. Why? I wouldn't have a clue. The fact is...its there, and that is how it works. They've had plenty of opportunities to change it but haven't, and thus it remains.

hardcore and player killing go hand in hand. Its a game mode that puts you up against the game as well as those who play it. If you play hardcore you have to accept the fact that you will die eventually, and its quite possible due to another player. Its even mentioned in the game manual to be carefull of player killers. In the expansion manual it actually encourages it somewhat.

The issue is...if you can't stand dying due to another player, then hardcore probably isn't the best option for you - because it will most likely happen at some stage.

The problem really is the rampant hacks and cheats that people use now to get kills and to avoid death. If chickenhack/maphack was never invented, tppk etc would also most likely not exist. chicken/maphack only really exist because softcore players couldn't really cope with hardcore - but wanted to look cool with the red name. and tppk etc was invented in order to defeat chicken. but now it is so widespread and there is nothing blizzard can really do to stop it, you have to accept it and move on.

I don't play d2 anymore, but I pked because I found it fun, and I get an adrenaline rush when I do it. Others do it for similar reasons, or just to be annoying. pkers are like carnivors.....they stalk the herd - why do you think they like baal run games etc? because it is a given fact that they will find someone in a specific area.

old history.....I actually began playing hardcore after I got pked on softcore - I wanted my deaths to actually mean something. And they did.

And it is so increadibly easy to spot a pk without using maphack or whatever to scan items. And it is just as easy to spot a tppk user as well.

RULE: You're only allowed to PK someone who's at least 40 levels higher then you are :thumbsup: (And they crawled back in there holes)
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Been there, done that..... can I have a cookie now?
 
SonOfRah said:
I'm bored enough atm to answer this...
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isnt that the truth :)

sitting infront of a computer for 7.5 hours doing data entry, replying to silly threads keeps my eyes open :)
 
To SonOfRah

Respect. Your comment makes it look more noble to me assuming you meant the real PK. Not that TPPK. :clap:

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I use a lvl 16 to PK 30+ chars in baal runs....i'm sorry if your PVM char cant stand up to someone half your lvl (regardless of your lvl) then your pvm char is not pvm at all, its a leech.
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Why are guides seperated in PvP and PvM? Cause they are 2 different specialties. The ultimate PvM is way of from his PvP opponent. So yes its possible to kill a lvl 30 PvM with a lvl 16 PvP. Build lvl 18 PVP pala's with all the gear, charms and jewels and competed and killed (in duel games, no sneaking up, fair) lvl 50 and 60 chars. But ... no fun to me.

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Play Sc. Play sc and delete your character when you die to a monster.
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Everytime I see that answer. Do I smell superiority? Your good, I'm lame? I don't mind beeing killed by a monster. Fair and in the open. He was better then I was.
 
My arrogance is limited to real life and pie.

I see neither here.


That is quite simply the easiest solution. If you dislike the fact you can die to some one who wants to pk you...Therefore go where it doesn't matter. As pompus of advice as it sounds, if more people took it there'd be less complaining about tppk and such. My friend got tppked a day ago on his higher level sorc, he "lol'ed" and went about making a new one..

The point being, if you can't stand the heat (The nature of the heat isn't in question) get out of the kitchen...It's all a matter of comfort.
 
Valar-Wrath said:
It's all been said and done. You obviously aren't going to change eachother's views so this thread is beginning to turn pointless. But not the good kind of spammy kind of pointlessness. The 'annoying, nobody cares, we've been over this', kind of pointlessness.
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If you're not interested in a topic, don't read it. If you find a subject tired and worn out with nothing new to say, don't read those threads. And if you are incapable of having your opinions changed by reasonable debate, avoid controversial posts. No one forces you to read every post. IMO, 95+% of what you post is vapid SPAM, so I just avoid the vast majority of your posts. But I certainly don't tell you what you should/shouldn't post or what subjects are acceptable for discussion. So please show the same courtesy to others and avoid the threads you don't like.

Yes, I have engaged in the PK/antiPk debate since before D2 was originally released, and I still find the subject interesting. And over the 5+ years I have participated in this debate my opinion has changed a lot. It has gone from vehemently antiPK, to accepting and respecting it, and back to staunchly against. The numerous debates have influenced my opinion a great deal, and I'm not so stubborn as to think my current opinion is unchangeable. That's why I enjoy the occasional 'PK' debate.

AzaZaz said:
Of course you wouldnt choose for your character to be killed. Regardless, my question was not "how would u like to be killed" it was who would you rather play with, a cheater, or a legit player, because in my view that is the core problem, not the people who choose to play the game differently then simple PVM, but the ppl who abuse it.
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All other things being equal, I'd chose to play with the honest player. But legit/cheater is not the litmus test for me. Of primary importance to me is how malicious a player is. I'm a respectful, cooperative player and I prefer to play with like minded individuals. For example, I'd much rather play with someone who uses MH for the lighting or rune color feature, than a totally legit player who instantly vacuums up all the drops. Or I'd prefer playing with someone who bots over someone who abuses and/or harasses other players. Or I'd prefer playing with any Maphacker over any PK. For me, someone who disrespects other players, or looks upon them with contempt, is not someone with whom I will associate.

The problem I have with the so called 'legit' PK is that they are so rare that for all intents and purposes, they do not exist. And many times their claims here on the forums do not match what happens in reality. I was very close to many of the notorious PKs from this forum when I was with GAT. And I was swayed by their arguments of; it's just a different play style, and I only hunt higher levels, and I always give fair warning. But when I'd see some of the exact same people in public games, they were doing the exact opposite. Some of the big names in PKing were killing lower levels, and jumping waypoints, and doing whatever they could think of to get that 'ear'. Hell, I even had one of them kill my Nekkid Sorc who was 5 levels lower than them. When I told them who I was, after the fact, you should have heard the excuses fly. So please, save your breath with the whole 'legit' PK thing. I've seen it all from the inside and I know better. Like I said originally, there is practically no difference between a 'legit' PK and a TPPK.

SonOfRah said:
The problem really is the rampant hacks and cheats that people use now to get kills and to avoid death.
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Hey Rah, long time no see. Hope life has been treating you well. Bored with GW yet?

I disagree with the above statement. The root problem is that D2/LoD is primarily a PvM game with a (rather poor) PvP element slapped on top. And the PvP element was given the trump card with the hostile implementation. So the weakest part of the game drives the whole Realm community. And people wonder why the Realms are generally such an unpleasant place. A disfunctional design leads to a disfunctional world.
 
BongoFury said:
If you're not interested in a topic, don't read it. If you find a subject tired and worn out with nothing new to say, don't read those threads. And if you are incapable of having your opinions changed by reasonable debate, avoid controversial posts. No one forces you to read every post. IMO, 95+% of what you post is vapid SPAM, so I just avoid the vast majority of your posts. But I certainly don't tell you what you should/shouldn't post or what subjects are acceptable for discussion. So please show the same courtesy to others and avoid the threads you don't like.
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Well, you're very much entitled to your opinion. As am I. I can and most likely will tell someone if they or their thread is wrong/annoying/mean/anything. Not saying you are any or all of those. But it is my opinion.

IMO you are being a bit hypocritical. You tell me not to do something but then you, yourself go and do it. You tell me to ignore threads I don't like but then you go and respond to my post, a post in which it is blatantly obvious that you dislike. Your response to my post may have been provoked but it doesn't mean you MUST respond to it.

We've all been over this topic before and the GENERAL view of everyone did not change. You still don't like PK and think it is similar to tppk. Matt/Myself/NightShade/Aza/etc all disagree and think PK and TPPK are two totally contrasting things.

That wasn't even really what I was annoyed about. It was more of everyone using the same exact argument as before. Not only is it annoying but it is also extremely monotonous. If you're going to argue, atleast be original. Obviously if you had an argument with someone before, having the same argument is not going to change anything. Why would it? There are no new points. Same views. Same topics. Hell, why don't we go find Palm and have a big tppk/hacker thread reunion? If the original thread hadn't been closed by Zappa I'd suggest that you just go revive it, as you are saying the same thing over and over. Why do you think he closed it in the first place? We weren't getting anywhere!
 
Twinkle said:
Why didn't those great Blizzard guys came with the idea when someone hostiles you, you have to push that hostile button also so you fight it out if your interested. Face to face. Else bad luck for the guy that tries to hostile you :uhhuh: Why o why??
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Blizzard has. It's called WoW PvE.
Twinkle said:
Can someone explain me the point of PKing (especially the so called legal PK, don't make me laugh). Try to ask that legal PK-er to get lost, that your not interested and he should leave your game. Guess what he does :scratch:

My point? Cause Blizzard forgot to give someone the opportunity to excecpt a challenge (with that hostile button) frustated lvl 90 cowards get their change to bring their real-life personality problems in this FANTASTIC game (never played a better and more beautiful game so far) so they can intimidate lvl 20 PvM-ers.
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The point of PKing is to get a hit of adrenalin and to see the interactive antics which are different every time. When I was bored of dueling I did a spot of pking. If everyone asked me to leave, I usually did.
I can't stand tppk or chicken, but I learnt to live with it. I remember my 84 hammerdin getting pked by a bs necro when I was helping a few ppl clear Act4 hell. Once bitten, twice shy...
 
To put it into context, we are hunting.


The legit side is sport hunting. Not using fully automatic weponry to pick on deer. Do our prey stand a chance : Not really, but if we mess up they will be fine.

The tppk side is running around with a gsg with feedcorn under your treestand....
 
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