Wind Druid Stat point allocation

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Wind Druid Stat point allocation

Hey all,

I'm wondering how I should allocate my stat points on my wind druid. he has 170 points left, and about 100 in str and 150 or so in vitality. So I'm going to try and max out oak sage, so i have two routes...I could max my blokcing and put the rest in vitality, or just dump it all in vitality.

My shield is a lidless wall right now, and I don't have anythingelse that increases blocking (earthshaker, vipermagi, frosty, silkweave, jalals). So in my opinion it doens't seem like it's worth max blocking, since lidless gives only 40%

so should I get max vital? or is there a better shield i should use that is worth maxing out blocking for? I think +1 to skills is a necessity on the shield, but I don't know if that's entirely true. anyway, suggestions appreciated. thanks.
 
hey all I just realized somethign else. I'd wanted to use an earth shifter when I could get one, but I didn't realize it was two-handed. So am I better off with the earth shaker and pdiamond lidless instead of an earth shifter? the +7 elemental skills would be very nice, but I'm not sure if i'd live enough to make good use of it!
 
You plan on using Lidless all the time? Don't get max block.

If your Druid is PvM you could try other shields like Whitstan's or Rhyme runeword. +1 skills isn't all that important, but the 20% FCR might keep you at a BP.

Earth Shifter's STR is too high, plus a Wind Druid is a close-range caster, which would require you to be capable of tanking to an extent. Even with a low block shield, it's still blocking part of the time. 2-handers won't help.

You might want to consider a Wizzy instead of Earthshifter, or even a Suicide Branch. FCR is quite important for a Wind Druid.

Overall I'd say VIT if you're glued to your Lidless, DEX if you want to use another, higher blocking shield.
 
when I lose a couple +2 skills, it can result in quite a bit of dmg lost...is fcr that important to sacrifice + skills? though I can understand changing to a higher blocking shield, I'm not sure about getting rid of the earth shaker. I do have a wiz spike at my disposal, and maybe a suicide branch though...

yea currently, my blocking is somehting like 2% :) so blocking part of the time is a very small part of the time atm. But I've accumulated 170 stat points while I figure out what to do with it...

Also, if I were to stick with the lidless and max out vital, would I have enough life in hell to not die so fast? hopefully I'll also have oak sage maxed by the high 80 lvls (and my + skills should have oak sage at lvl 24 or so I think)...
 
Well let's see, from what I can gather you have 30% FCR with +6 skills. You could have Elemental GC's or other boosting gear, but I'm going by what you listed.

Level 26 Tornado fully synergized = 2796 max damage. You have 30% FCR which reaches the 14 frame BP and there's 25 frames in a second.

With an Earthshaker you'll reach 14 frame casting and +6 skills.
-2796 per 14 frames is 5004 damage per 25 frames.

With a Suicide Branch you'll reach 12 frame casting and +4 skills.
-2476 per 12 frames is 5150 damage per 25 frames.

With a Wizzy you'll reach 12 frame casting and +3 skills.
-2316 per 12 frames is 4817 damage per 25 frames.

These are all mathematically of course, with 14 frames you won't even be able to cast more than once in a second, but you can with 12 frames.
This also doesn't include the possibility of one Tornado hitting two times.

Conclusion: With a Suicide Branch you'll be doing more damage over time compared to Earthshaker and Wizzy. Wizzy has the huge mana and resist bonus, which is why some might prefer it over the others.
 
Thanks for those calculations. My actual stats are a little different. I have a total of +10 to elemental skills:

vipermagi, jalal, +2 to elemental ammy, earthshaker, lidless, and an anni charm.

with lidless and vipermagi, I have 50% fcr. lvl 30 tornado fully synergized does a max of 3488 damage.

So I was wondering how you did the calculations? Is there a calculator somewhere you used, or did you do it all by hand? Anyway now my fcr would be 100% with a suicide branch.

As for mana, I'm doing okay there, with a gloom and silkweave and frosties. mana potions on bosses, but that's about it. my resists are all right since i have the jalal and anni charm :), but they could be higher...
 
Oh, I completely forgot the main item we were talking about in the first place, your Lidless.

With 50% FCR you're hitting the 46% BP which is 13 frame casting. While 100% FCR hits the 99% BP being 11 frames.

Lidless + Earthshaker:
-3488 per 13 frames = approximately 6707 damage per 25 frames

Lidless + Suicide Branch:
-3116 per 11 frames = approximately 7082 damage per 25 frames

I did the calculations by hand, and I don't do it often, so I might be a little rusty.
 

Sigons shield has a nice blocking % and +1 skills. If you arent right at a break point you might want to consider using it.
 
Green_Squirrel said:
Oh, I completely forgot the main item we were talking about in the first place, your Lidless.

With 50% FCR you're hitting the 46% BP which is 13 frame casting. While 100% FCR hits the 99% BP being 11 frames.

Lidless + Earthshaker:
-3488 per 13 frames = approximately 6707 damage per 25 frames

Lidless + Suicide Branch:
-3116 per 11 frames = approximately 7082 damage per 25 frames

I did the calculations by hand, and I don't do it often, so I might be a little rusty.
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interesting sosuicide branch is consistently higher. how do you know the break points and all? so i've been fiddling around with the equipment we've been speaking of. I have whistan and lidless for shield, and suicide and earthshaker. i haven't been killing too much but suicide definitely goes faster (and drains my mana faster!) . I guess I should probably be using suicide branch then, but along with lidless or whistan? :) It still seems odd to me that the +3 skills is negated by fcr, even if it is just math.

So this one is a different from the other two, but what gloves should I use? frostburn or magefist?
 
revoke said:

Sigons shield has a nice blocking % and +1 skills. If you arent right at a break point you might want to consider using it.
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I think I would still take the lidless for the mana bonuses :)
 
jfu_6018 said:
interesting sosuicide branch is consistently higher. how do you know the break points and all? so i've been fiddling around with the equipment we've been speaking of. I have whistan and lidless for shield, and suicide and earthshaker. i haven't been killing too much but suicide definitely goes faster (and drains my mana faster!) . I guess I should probably be using suicide branch then, but along with lidless or whistan? :) It still seems odd to me that the +3 skills is negated by fcr, even if it is just math.

So this one is a different from the other two, but what gloves should I use? frostburn or magefist?
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Struber and I *think* Strid figured out the breakpoints a long time ago. Eventually the gamecode was peeked at and we found that they were mostly right (99% FCR instead of 100% FCR, little things like that). If you check TheDragoon's calculator sticked at the top of the forum it has attack speeds, caster speeds, damage calculations... etc.

 
mepersoner said:
Struber and I *think* Strid figured out the breakpoints a long time ago. Eventually the gamecode was peeked at and we found that they were mostly right (99% FCR instead of 100% FCR, little things like that). If you check TheDragoon's calculator sticked at the top of the forum it has attack speeds, caster speeds, damage calculations... etc.
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oooh okay, i actually looked at that calculator but didn't understand what was going on...Because I thought you had to know a base cast rate or something. but now that I look at it again, I see how it works...so hitting 12 frames is really important huh, so you can theoretically cast twice a second?

So I've been playing with suicide branch and lidless a while (still haven't invested statpoints, so I died a lot in act 5 hell :) ), but i'd say suicide does at least as well as earth shaker form actual playing

One thing that I'm wondering about is the dmg of hurricane. all the cast rate stuff doesn't benefit hurricane, but losing elemental skill costs it about 150 dmg...I guess that's a really small number in hell though.

Lastly, I'm still not sure which shield to use. Switching might be the way to go? but I think using whistan instead of lidless results in too much mana and fcr loss. I could max blocking for lidless and switch to whistans in high archer areas or something? though given my playing, i'd probably forget or neglect switching anyway...so does anyone who has experience with blocking and not blocking have any advice to offer regarding which shield to use, or maybe tell me pros and cons of each chioce? sorry this is kind of long, I hope I haven't bored anyone to death.
 
If you're going to use lidless just forget about block and go all vita.

Try to find some resist charms and don't try and tank monsters...
 
my resists aren't too bad now, the lowest ones are in the 30s with that equipment (it's a pdiamond lidless so that helps). but the problem to me is being unable to tank at all? I don't do enough dmg to avoid tanking on cold immunes, so I have to stop for some period of time to kill them with tornado or whatnot. if i invested all 180 points i have in vit...it would give me 400 life + 500 (oak sage) so i'd have near 2k life. is that enough to stand still a few seconds and blast tornado? :)


on an off note, how does oak sage life calculation work. if i were to socket rubies or use shako, is the added life from those multiplied by the bonus for oak sage? or is oak sage based purely on what i have in vit alone?
 
Not bad at all. :)

Oak Sage doesn't work with the life from shako, but would work with life from P. Rubies.

+life based on level and + vita based on level doesn't work with Oak Sage.
 
so what's the difference between +life from level and +vita from level?

so lidless + max vital...could/would it work? :)
 
It should work. :)

Well, I think basically, in order to screw over .08 valor blizzard changed it so life/vita based on level didn't count towards oak/battle orders etc. It changed in 1.10. But +life and +vita still work.
 
hmm so far, i've noticed there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between earth shaker and suicide branch. on paper it adds up, but the main thing i've noticed is that suicide branch adds more mana...and i cast tornadoes slightly faster, but killing power is about equal it seems. and the earth shaker allows hurricane to be more powerful...
 
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