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FatalGrace

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Will this work?

I was thinking of making a MF Sorc to kill my seemingly infinite time and after reading most of the guides, I've decided on a FO with max tele build to handle Hell Mephisto. The build is something like...

20 Frozen Orb
20 Cold Mastery
20 Ice Bolt
20 Tele
1 Static

...and the equipments goes

Shako P'topazed
Skulders P'topazed
Wizzy + Spirit Mon
Gull + Rhyme on switch
Chancies
Goldwrap
War Travs
26mf Ammy
24 and 31 mf rings

I will equip my merc with an Insight CA, Guils Face and Ak.Valor

Do you think this Sorc will be good enough to take down Meph fast in a 8p game?
 
FO is kinda poor damage and you won't need max teleport. Especially with insight you won't have to worry about mana... It will work, sure, but it'll be slow especially in 8p. Blizzard will be superior, the point of FO is that you can max another skill (second element or energy shield)
 
For a pure cold Sorc, Blizzard is much much better to handle Meph. Just 20 points in Blizzard and synergies and the rest in cold mastery. Also owns Pindle and Ancients Tunnels runs. The equip you have fits nicely...
 
Yea...with Insight I shouldn't really have mana issues, never thought of that. So I should drop Tele for another skill? Don't think I will be a blizz sorc though...I want to make this sorc sort of a rusher for normal and nm too. What skill should I learn suppose I don't max teleport? I'm thinking a skill which I can spam while waiting for FO to cooldown is a good idea.

PS : I read abt the Meph QUest drops trick...Is it possible that I killed him in my own game, but don't enter the portal that leads to Act 4. Will I still get the quest in my new game?
 
Frost Nova? With the point's you've put into FO and CM, you'll have pretty decent damage. In fact, you might find FN to be better at Norm/NM rushes because of its spammability.

Or, if you plan on going solo at any time in Hell, you'll want a non-cold backup. For the skillpoints you have available, Firewall is the best. There are a few other spam-worthy spells in the Fire & Lightning trees, but none of them will come close to FW's damage.

Another option is Telekinesis and Energy Shield as a defensive maneuver.
 
Are you set on the idea of a cold sorc or are you willing to venture off into a multi branch sorc?

If so I suggest you try a Meteorb Sorc. They can rush norm and nm very easily. They can even rush hell effectively.

They work wonders and do not need godly equip to be good.

Meteorb Guide (3rd Edition) made by Sasja
 
For rushing there's no substitute to (frost) nova. For running meph on hell you might want a higher damaging spell though.
 
Yea I read abt the Frost Nova guide (and the debate you and one fellow had abt F.Nova and Nova)...it seems to be a nice choice (high points for spammability and coolness). Can anybody suggest the stats distributions? Str shd be just enough for Monarch, Dex shd be 75 (for wizzy). If I go for "Telekinesis and Energy Shield" I suppose I will be adding some points to Energy, but what abt Vitality? I think I will be just tele-ing straight to Mephisto so that my merc can join in the fighting.

Don't think I will rush a lot...now that the holis are over and most of my friends are back to studying...so my main priority will be doing mf runs on Mephisto.

I read abt as long as you don't enter the portal that leads to act 4, you will still get the quest in the next game. Is this true? (very cruicial)
 
Rushing in Hell with a Blizz sorc is doable, you just need a strong merc to kill the cold imunes after static them. But in normal and nightmare Blizzard is 1 hit kill almost everytime. Very fast!
 
Actually scratch that nova would be substituteless, if you have teleport any high level spell will do throughout normal/nightmare.
 
FatalGrace said:
Yea I read abt the Frost Nova guide (and the debate you and one fellow had abt F.Nova and Nova)...it seems to be a nice choice (high points for spammability and coolness). Can anybody suggest the stats distributions? Str shd be just enough for Monarch, Dex shd be 75 (for wizzy). If I go for "Telekinesis and Energy Shield" I suppose I will be adding some points to Energy, but what abt Vitality? I think I will be just tele-ing straight to Mephisto so that my merc can join in the fighting.
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For Meph, FN is not that good of a choice. It's quite slow against high-life monsters (like bosses). Frozen Orb is a decent attack there though.

I haven't tried ES enough to have a good feel for it yet (never enough extra skillpoints for that and two trees in Single Player), but the common opinion here is 4:1 (Energy:Vitality). Your other stats are fine if you plan on using Spirit and Wizardspike (although, I socketed my Wizzy with a Hel rune to drop the Dex requirement down to 60 - well worth it).

FatalGrace said:
Don't think I will rush a lot...now that the holis are over and most of my friends are back to studying...so my main priority will be doing mf runs on Mephisto.
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As boring as it may be, a pure-blizz sorc is still the best (and cheapest), Meph runner there is. You'll do ok with FO, but not like a blizzy.

FatalGrace said:
I read abt as long as you don't enter the portal that leads to act 4, you will still get the quest in the next game. Is this true? (very cruicial)
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I don't think it works this way. I think you have to have an unquested character start/host the game, and then take pains to have them NOT get the quest (stay in town while another char kills Meph?)...I don't know for sure though; I've never tried to do it.

Have a search (link near the top of the page) for threads titled 'Meph Glitch' - I remember seeing a thread about it 3-5 months ago.



 
The thread is in Classic mode, and I don't know if there is a difference in the monster health / lvl in LoD. If so, then perhaps my FO Sorc is not viable for mfing Mephisto. Also, we need to keep the 20 games / hour restriction set by BNET, so even if I can kill Mephisto in 1 min, my games are limited. I'm not really into doing other runs since there is a high risk involved (or maybe I can try Andy with FO). Gah I'm so confused right now, damn this glitch =\
 
I don't know classic very well, except that the mercs suck (I think). Also, are there elite items and/or runes? I don't think there are, but I could be wrong.

Another area you'll do well running with any cold sorc is the Ancient Tunnels (act2, Lost City). Cold-Immunes don't naturally spawn there (except an occasional random boss that spawns cold-enchanted), most of the monsters are relatively safe, and every item in the game can drop there (except the cow-kings pieces). That should add 2-4 minutes to your runs and help keep you under the 20/hour limit.
 
From what I understand about the Meph quest drop trick, this is how you do it: have a person who HAS already gotten the meph quest create the game, then, with your sorc, join the game. When you look at your quest window, it should show the last quest saying: "you cannot complete this quest.....etc". Then, as long as your sorc gets the LAST hit in on the monster and kills it, then it will be quest drops. I have built myself a blizz sorc for the sole purpose of meph quest drops and what I do is join a baal run or chaos game and just do meph in that game.

Just be sure that you check your quest window before you kill Meph to be sure that you cannot complete the quest and you will be fine.
 
the merc glitch works the same in classic and LoD. Pure bliz with 1pt orb is more than enough to rush normal/nm effectively. With correct aiming of orb, pure FO is an extremely fast meph killer, only a bit slower than bliz. FN requires better gear than orb and bliz and is rather pointless IMO. Ur syngergies do more dmg than the main spell, lol. Nova is a good choice for area runs, but it aint gonna cut it in boss runs.
 
Smackin said:
the merc glitch works the same in classic and LoD. Pure bliz with 1pt orb is more than enough to rush normal/nm effectively. With correct aiming of orb, pure FO is an extremely fast meph killer, only a bit slower than bliz. FN requires better gear than orb and bliz and is rather pointless IMO. Ur syngergies do more dmg than the main spell, lol. Nova is a good choice for area runs, but it aint gonna cut it in boss runs.
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Already discussed this and as Sirpoopsalot has mentioned, the key behind getting high damage overall with Frost Nova and Nova *is* spamming. In the time it takes to cast one Blizzard and wait for its timer to run, you cast many novas (5-6 according to some quick, informal testing I tried last night) at 105% fcr. When you take into account the radius and number of monsters you can jam pack into a Nova or Frost Nova blast radius, the actual damage comes out high. But against single-target critters, both Nova and Frost Nova suck. Use those two for mass clears and then another skill with high single-target damage for boss kills.

FatalGrace, I think you'll find the following posts in this thread on Frozen Orb vs. Blizzard to be rather informative. It's a really good thread and people should read it more often.

Check out Sasja's posts on Page 4 of this thread:

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300733&page=4

And AndyChrono's on Page 5:

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300733&page=5


 
Wow very informative indeed! Guess it doesn't really make a big difference (other than skills allocation) whether I choose FO or Blizz against Mephisto. The thread also states the proper usage of FO so as to maximise the damage to a single target rather than just cast it in its face. Thanks for the links
 
No prob. Yes, definitely explode the FO inside Meph. It'll make him feel all cold and tingly inside. :cool:
 
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