What is the hype about 3/20/20's?

[Krushedice]

What is the hype about 3/20/20's?

I am sure I don't recall the precise name for 3/20/20's, but it's something like stalwart peircing charm of vita or some crap (pardon the grumpy mood folks).

+3 to max damage
+20 to attack rating?
+20 to life

And these are so valuable because? I may be mistaken, but It appears that the ar bonus from charms doesn't stack against auras or multipliers anyway (i.e. if you have a 3/20/20 and use a shield that adds +50% to attack rating it doesn't include the ar from the charm). Other than the vita affix, I don't know what's the big deal-- can someone tell me?


Before we get too far off-- I have owned ONE, and traded it before I really bothered playing with it too much. Perhaps I, like those people who trash enigma never having owned one (add me to that list too), don't know from my lack of experience.

Is it me, or are they way overrrated?

 

[theBlackKnight]

39 * 20 = 780 bonus life that could be modified by CTA
--------= 780 bonus Ar
--------= 107 max damage that is added


pretty nice small charm for melee ^_^.

 

[Merick1]

Alone it's not much..
But when I put all my +10 max grands, +6 max large, and +3 max smalls on with a melee char, it means a lot of extra damage. If you had 28 of them you'd have +84 max damage, 560 AR, and 560 life which is very nice.

They gained a lot of popularity in 1.10 right? I've never played 1.10 off-ladder and have never had one.

 

[Dawnmaster]

I'm not sure about it, but doesn't the damage of those charms add to the base damage of your weapon? So that the enhanced damage on your weapon and any enhanced damage from your spells also apply to the damage of the charms rather than the base damage of the weapon alone?

Think about it, if you have a sword that does 100 max dam, and you have about 10 of those charms, you increase your total damage by 30%.

I remember trying it out with a 1 max dam sc, I had about 1000% ed (with weapons ed and spells) and when I put the charm in and out, my damage dropped and raised by 10.

I'll give you another convincing calculation, if you play the assassin and you use duel claws that do 50 max damage each and you have a high level of claw mastery and dragon claw that give you a total bonus of 500% enhanced damage (about lvl30 to each should already do this) and the claws have 200% ed you'd have:
50(maxdam) x 2(200%ed) x 5(500%ed) = 500 max dam
Now consider you have a stash filled with +3 max dam small charms:
50(weapondam) + [40(40charms) x 3(charmdam)] = 170 max dam
170(maxdam) x 2(200%ed) x 5(500%ed) = 1700 max dam

I hope this was convincing enough, now besides from this, you get loads of ar, in the above example, if you have 2000 ar and about 1000%enhanced attack rating, you have 20k ar, now add 40x20=800ar to that base 2000 and you find yourself having 28k ar, pretty much he? Well it gets even better than that, you'll also receive 800 additional life to that!

Ps: the ar I tested out too, moving a charm in and out the inventory made my ar drop exactly as much as all bonusses would have applied to it.

 

[Matt]

Basically, whats already been said. For most cases, 3 max, and 20 life are the two ideal mods on a small charm (for melee characters, duelers in particular)
Of course, there are scenarios where other combinations would be better, but for practical purposes, those are conscidered the best SC's to have, because they work well in all scenarios, and are THE best option in most.

This post is sort of horrendously constructed, but you get the idea. 3 max and 20 life amd 20 AR are awesome mods, which are good in most every scenario on a melee dueler. Loading up on charms with both mods is therefore ideal. Though, they are almost all duped, and therefore I personally conscider them lame, but most people dont.

-Matt

 

[Krushedice]

Dawnmaster:

If your ar example is so, then this charm operates differently from other charms. I have a couple of gc's with +100 or more to attack rating, and my zeal/fanat pally doesn't get bonuses from the charm. If I equip zeal/fanat and remove the charm, my ar only decreases by the amount of the bonus as listed in the charm. The same is the case with my lvl 87 amazon who gets passive bonuses to ar from skills. How would a 3/20/20 charm be any different?

 

[Cooked]

What character level are 3/20/20 charms?
I have small charms with 3 max and some AR and sometimes another mod like 15 life at level 21. They are great for low level dueling!!

Hmm...My LEGIT 3/17/15 is not bad then.

 

[Matt]

3/20/20's should be level 39... On SC's, "Fine" prefix is level 21, and of Vita suffix is level 39.

And yes, if only I had an invintory of 3/20/15's..... those are level 21 req.... and quite, quite nice. :drool:

 

[Diab]

And these are so valuable because? I may be mistaken, but It appears that the ar bonus from charms doesn't stack against auras or multipliers anyway (i.e. if you have a 3/20/20 and use a shield that adds +50% to attack rating it doesn't include the ar from the charm).

Of coarse they do. That's the reason that they're so popular, that they can be increased by a lot of multipliers, from skills and items alike.

 

[Dawnmaster]

Dawnmaster:

If your ar example is so, then this charm operates differently from other charms. I have a couple of gc's with +100 or more to attack rating, and my zeal/fanat pally doesn't get bonuses from the charm. If I equip zeal/fanat and remove the charm, my ar only decreases by the amount of the bonus as listed in the charm. The same is the case with my lvl 87 amazon who gets passive bonuses to ar from skills. How would a 3/20/20 charm be any different?

Well, I tested it out with a 131r gc, a 50ar lc and a 18ar sc, my assa get all bonusses applied to these ar's, if I remove a charm, I lose about 8 times the ar the charm has (with +-800%ar). These are the actual numbers I tested it out with. So maybe it has nothing to do with the charms itself, but with the kind of char you use? Or the spell/aura you use? My assas claw mastery/dragon claw works wonders on ar charms. I'll try to test it for all chars and all spells if I can get my hand on some charms again, I gave them all to a friend a few months back.