10 Ists or a couple of Vex is no problem during one ladder season. The problem is that I do not consider ANY traded high rune as legit since probability that it is duped is WAY too high. In my post I was talking about games statistics - preatty bizarre IMO - not about my personal difficulties in gating runes.Killer_sss said:
The Truth on how to get the highest runes
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KillJoyBob
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sangfagel said:
Are you talking about finding 10 Ist and a few Vex by yourself in a ladder season? If so, don't waste time with this game start playing the Lotto professionally.
KillJoyBob said:Are you talking about finding 10 Ist and a few Vex by yourself in a ladder season? If so, don't waste time with this game start playing the Lotto professionally.
I have considered that before to tell you the truth
But after I learnt mathematics, I almost shot myself between the eyes ><
I've got to say I agree with the skepticism. Some of you guys may have found high runes through luck but I've never ever found one and I've been playing Diablo 2 for 2 years. I think the highest rune I've ever found was an Io rune. I've never found an Ist, so the guy who said "All you need is 10 Ist runes" kind of made me laugh.
Cubing is a no-no as has been explained in this thread.
Finding them through drops is pretty much a no-no because the higher runes have crazy drops like 0.0001%, which is, on average, 1 in 100000 drops....
The only legit way to get them by the sound of it is the Hellforge on Hell difficulty. If is always drops the top 11 then you've got yourself a definite top 11 obviously! And if they're all equal drop chances then that's almost 50% chance of getting a top 5 rune from there.
That's the only realistic way I see of getting high runes.
Cubing is a no-no as has been explained in this thread.
Finding them through drops is pretty much a no-no because the higher runes have crazy drops like 0.0001%, which is, on average, 1 in 100000 drops....
The only legit way to get them by the sound of it is the Hellforge on Hell difficulty. If is always drops the top 11 then you've got yourself a definite top 11 obviously! And if they're all equal drop chances then that's almost 50% chance of getting a top 5 rune from there.
That's the only realistic way I see of getting high runes.
Gore_Nutling
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The highest rune I've ever found was a Gul. A single one.
Want a legit high rune?
Well, if you cube a high rune from two duped/haxxord/[satan's work] runes, it is theoretically legit.
Heh.
Want a legit high rune?
Well, if you cube a high rune from two duped/haxxord/[satan's work] runes, it is theoretically legit.
Heh.
I've read this whole thread, and I think two important points have been missed.
First, finding a high rune is like hitting a jackpot. It rarely, if ever, happens to you. But you never have to stand in a casino long before you hear someone hit one. So you have to ask "how fast do runes drop during any given day?". I suspect the math would show that many players find a high rune each day. Remember that one-in-a-million things happen to 6,000 people on this planet.
Second, these runes don't get left laying like about 95% of the uniques we all find. They're serious trade bait, so they get traded. In fact, I suspect runes get traded more than any other item, since they are rarely of use by themselves, and they are so in demand.
I'm not convinced that most high-level runes are dupes. I'm of the opinion that most high runes on the ladder are legit.
Just my $0.02.
First, finding a high rune is like hitting a jackpot. It rarely, if ever, happens to you. But you never have to stand in a casino long before you hear someone hit one. So you have to ask "how fast do runes drop during any given day?". I suspect the math would show that many players find a high rune each day. Remember that one-in-a-million things happen to 6,000 people on this planet.
Second, these runes don't get left laying like about 95% of the uniques we all find. They're serious trade bait, so they get traded. In fact, I suspect runes get traded more than any other item, since they are rarely of use by themselves, and they are so in demand.
I'm not convinced that most high-level runes are dupes. I'm of the opinion that most high runes on the ladder are legit.
Just my $0.02.
I think that the only way to have a high rune is to trade for Gul runes. I am pretty sure that nobody dupes theese so they are all legit (since they come easy from Hell Forge). Also their value is less than 2xIst so let's say 1.5xIst
So:
Vex = 2 Gul = 3 Ists
Ohm = 4 Gul = 6 Ists
Lo = 8 Gul = 12 Ists
Sur = 16 Gul = 24 Ists
Ber = 32 Gul = 48 Ists
Jah = 64 Gul = 96 Ists
Zod = 128 Gul = 192 Ists
A legit enigma would be 144 Ists which is pretty expensive! But Hoto or Cta is very possible, even Fortitude...
I assumed that no Ists are duped and u aquire them by tradeing for the stuff u find mf-ing.
So:
Vex = 2 Gul = 3 Ists
Ohm = 4 Gul = 6 Ists
Lo = 8 Gul = 12 Ists
Sur = 16 Gul = 24 Ists
Ber = 32 Gul = 48 Ists
Jah = 64 Gul = 96 Ists
Zod = 128 Gul = 192 Ists
A legit enigma would be 144 Ists which is pretty expensive! But Hoto or Cta is very possible, even Fortitude...
I assumed that no Ists are duped and u aquire them by tradeing for the stuff u find mf-ing.
Yes - I am talking about it and I don´t consider myself as aspecially lucky - just following games statistics.KillJoyBob said:Are you talking about finding 10 Ist and a few Vex by yourself in a ladder season? If so, don't waste time with this game start playing the Lotto professionally.
Ladder season is preatty long. The first chars I develop on ladder are 2 m-finding sorcs. They are untwinked in the beginning and I use to level them in Tower/Pit since its easy. In this season I found 2 Ists and cubed one in this way... And than there are some HF quests - easy enough to do fast with 2 comps.
Runes over Vex is another story. It doesn´t help to be smart or patient. It really is a jack pot to find any. It happened to me only one time during 4 years. It is not a "bad luck" - the odds are just impossible. To design ladder only runewords containing three high runes is just to provoke duping!!!
sangfagel said:
I agree with you concerning the introduction of the powerfull ladder runewords! Of course they encourage duping of highrunes! What did blizz expect??!! That people would try to find the highrunes themselves (few do that but maybe 1 or 2 HR in 1 ladder season if they are lreally, really, really lucky).
The best way to see the vast amounts of godly runewords are in Duell games! If ones join such game and ask people to show thei items what do they answer???
Well lots of players are equiped with BOTD zerk or BOTD cb, Enigmas, Fortitude, Exile, Griefs Ba, COH and so on...
Yeah, i think it's a method they've made to try and show up the dupers on the their servers. Before this version there was heavy problems with dupes, track hacks, maphacks etc. I think Blizzard have made such ridiculously rare runewords because if they find a character, while browsing through their mainframe database, who has a weapon with one of these runewords then there's a good chance this person is a duper, or has received duped goods. It kind of makes it easier to find dupers on the game.
Also, I just re-read the drop rates for runes. I was wrong about the Zod rune drop rate...it's even LOWER :lol: . I originally put 0.0001%, which I thought was low enough personally being at 1 in 100000, but wait! It's better!
The highest drop rate for Zod rune on the game is:
0.00000651%.
Just to clear that up, that percentage drop rate translated into these odds:
1:15360933
Hahahaha, that's right, it's a 1 in 15,360,933 chance.
So, I think I'll be doing Hellforge rushes!
Also, I just re-read the drop rates for runes. I was wrong about the Zod rune drop rate...it's even LOWER :lol: . I originally put 0.0001%, which I thought was low enough personally being at 1 in 100000, but wait! It's better!
The highest drop rate for Zod rune on the game is:
0.00000651%.
Just to clear that up, that percentage drop rate translated into these odds:
1:15360933
Hahahaha, that's right, it's a 1 in 15,360,933 chance.
So, I think I'll be doing Hellforge rushes!
Gaza0469 said:Why are the top 5 runes so hard to get?
Hellforge runs are viable in my opinion.
Normal: El - Amn
Nightmare: Sol - Um
Hell: Hel - Gul
Each rune has a 1/11 chance to drop.
by using classic you could rush a character all the way to hell in 3 hours I would say, thats an hour per difficulty, with no hacks.
Lets say that u did 110 of these runs.
( 330 hours ) and lets say u play 10 hours per week.
Thats 33 weeks.
Statistically you should get :
Now lets cube everything from SOL up.
U would now be the proud owner of a Sur Rune
LOL
Close.
Results of 50+ hell forge runs. (runs take 1.5 to 1.75 hours depending on how much I goof around)
11 Pul
8 Um
9 Mal
3 Ist
6 Gul
+ many lower runes.
Decebal said:
1.5 - 1.75 hours is fairly reasonable.
I myself do Forge rushes with friends - we do these in classic - so remember u dont have to do act 5.
The rush character has all the waypoints already.
We do this :
Me using 2 computers and 4 friends using 1x computer each.
make a game with the mule ( so all quests are open )
bring in our 5 rush characters, 1 of them goes to andy sets up the first wp , the 2nd gets the magot lair chest tp , the third the claw viper temple tp, the fourth to set up durance 3 wp, the fifth to clear chaos sanctuary.
When one person gets the tp set up they leave and help the next person and so on until we have all tps and maps.
I use my 2nd computer to get all the maps with my sorc and wait at andy. So I can make up easy Tps for eveyrone.
I then use my first computer bring in my mule, everyone else brings in their mules,.
I use my sorc to give us every tp, we go down , kill andy - I port to Act 2, use my maps to give everyone the next lot of tp's, and so on.
Goto travinacle kill council, kill mephi.
we all goto act 4 and kill diablo.
Prep work - 10-20 minutes
Rush work - 10-15 minutes.
Thats 20-45 mins for each difficulty.
It can be done with a bit of teamwork
Gaza0469 said:1.5 - 1.75 hours is fairly reasonable.
I myself do Forge rushes with friends - we do these in classic - so remember u dont have to do act 5.
The rush character has all the waypoints already.
We do this :
Me using 2 computers and 4 friends using 1x computer each.
make a game with the mule ( so all quests are open )
bring in our 5 rush characters, 1 of them goes to andy sets up the first wp , the 2nd gets the magot lair chest tp , the third the claw viper temple tp, the fourth to set up durance 3 wp, the fifth to clear chaos sanctuary.
When one person gets the tp set up they leave and help the next person and so on until we have all tps and maps.
I use my 2nd computer to get all the maps with my sorc and wait at andy. So I can make up easy Tps for eveyrone.
I then use my first computer bring in my mule, everyone else brings in their mules,.
I use my sorc to give us every tp, we go down , kill andy - I port to Act 2, use my maps to give everyone the next lot of tp's, and so on.
Goto travinacle kill council, kill mephi.
we all goto act 4 and kill diablo.
Prep work - 10-20 minutes
Rush work - 10-15 minutes.
Thats 20-45 mins for each difficulty.
It can be done with a bit of teamwork
Sounds very viable! Though you must rely on someone must kill baal for quest in each diff to get to NM and hell!
You must have a lot of fiends Gaza!
