The Truth on how to get the highest runes

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FinalDay

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The Truth on how to get the highest runes

hi there
ive seen several guides and posts on how to get the high runes (lets say top 5), and it seems the only true answer to the runes *enigma* is that you simply cant have them.

countess runs - most most most of the time she drops crap, consider yourself lucky if she drops some more than Io rune. Its true you can make a run in 5 mins, but also notice the insane quantity of crap youd need to cube all the way to any top 5 rune. It would take harsh thousands of runs, YEARS of runs. Maths dont lie. See for yourself :

lets start with an optimistic view: 1 run= 2 Thul runes*
59561 Thul runes= 1 Sur rune
59561/2= 29780 Countess runs to get a Sur, that is 103 complete 24hrs days of playing (from here adjust according to your actual LoD addiction level and get an idea of the real time in days it would take for you)

476488 runs to cube Zod, that is 1654 full days of constantly killing The Countess (enjoy!)

*(suppose its a fixed drop, and if you wish enter some even higher and recalculate...but i think this view is in fact very above reality and more would be nonsense)

now lets have some fun and suppose 1 run= 1 El rune
9521245938000 El runes= 1 Zod rune (this is an aprox, value the exact number is irrelevant, just check out those nasty 9.521.245.938.000, thats a sh1t load of Els!).
Thats only 90575018 years, interesting...have faith, after all, it is little compared to the galaxy age.

So, i bet that cubing a Zod would take at least 4.5 years playing 24 hours a day all days and only Countess. You will prolly be playin Diablo III by then.
From now on, i dont expect to cube high end runes from Countess drops, they are only useful for low or medium runes (depending on your stamina).
Also check out the chances of high rune drops for big bosses and get more depressed.

Other ways ppl mention are HellForge runs. Rush a newborn character by party him with an 80+. Notice you need clvl=40 to enter Hell. I have not researched this, but from what ive read, you will need at least hundreds HellForges to cube a top 5...
Even rushing, it takes some time to get to the 3 hellforges, think of it hundreds of times and get an idea. Not an option.

Of, course, you could go MF and then trade stuff for runes...but where did that rune came from? everyone knows the answer...

The only way to get those godly runes is by a lucky drop, and i mean LUCKY (chances are around 1 in several millons). It makes little difference if you open all chests and kill every monster or simply kill just the necesary, if you do one or 100 boss runs, the only thing is luck.
IMO, all strategies to get a top 5 rune are pointless, there is just nothing you can do to have them legit, it is just luck, what you do is irrelevant.
Anyone doing anything with the goal of getting a godly legit rune is wasting his time...just dont expect to have them and go on, perhaps you are the one in 20 millon people who will have a legit ........

Rare runes are meant to be RARE, something which is not seen everyday.
What i dont understand is why blizz created so many runewords with godly runes (top 5), one or two would be enough.
Think of how rare it would be to see someone with a BotD if everyone played legit, you would probably get bored of LoD before seen someone with it.
Now remember how many BotD have you seen in the last months.
Sad.
 
Why are the top 5 runes so hard to get?


Let me ask you a question - why do u currently play D2

(1) Im guessing that u dont like the constant grind of killing bosses, so it must be to get uber items

(2) Uber items are the runewords

Therefore we all play constantly to get those elusive runes - its what has kept most of us here for so long I think.

If they were easy to get, then we would all run around with Hotos and Enigmas.

Hellforge runs are viable in my opinion.
Normal: El - Amn
Nightmare: Sol - Um
Hell: Hel - Gul

Each rune has a 1/11 chance to drop.

by using classic you could rush a character all the way to hell in 3 hours I would say, thats an hour per difficulty, with no hacks.



Lets say that u did 110 of these runs.

( 330 hours ) and lets say u play 10 hours per week.

Thats 33 weeks.

Statistically you should get :


Code: 
                               TOTAL
El   	9			9
 Eld 	9			9
 Tir  	9			9
 Nef  	9			9
 Eth  	9			9
 Ith  	9			9
 Tal  	9			9
 Ral  	9			9
 Ort  	9			9
 Thul 	9			9
 Amn  	9			9
 Sol 		9		9
 Shael  	9		9
 Dol 		9		9
 Hel  		9	9	18
 Io 		9	9	18
 Lum 		9	9	18
 Ko 		9	9	18
 Fal  		9	9	18
 Lem		9	9	18
 Pul  		9	9	18
 Um  		9	9	18
 Mal 			9	9
 Ist  			9	9
 Gul  			9	9
 Vex 				0
 Ohm  				0
 Lo 				0
 Sur 				0
 Ber  				0
 Jah  				0
 Cham 				0
 Zod 				0


Now lets cube everything from SOL up.

U would now be the proud owner of a Sur Rune :)

LOL
 
in reply to gaza i know you were not asking me but i play 4 three reasons to get a lvl 99, collect every posible item i can, and third to talk to friends online and have fun playing with them.(this is in no particular order i would prolly put friends at the top.)

as to the answer of the top 5 its really not that hard to cube them. ya im a lucky sob when it comes to some stuff but i haven't used any of my lucke to cube. i just save all forge runes, anything i get from county and my friends are nice in giving me runes that the end up finding like the bottom 15. im up to ohm with a second vex. all i need is to play a bit more i prolly play about 1-2hours a day.

granted on another thread most people would prolly shoot me 4 the goal im trying to reach and the runes that get lost in transmution in the process. but if you take your time and effort to kill stuff you'll have a pretty good time
 
After 4 Years a Cham dropped

A cham rune dropped from a boss in act 5. Had to look twice, couldn't beleive it. Been playing for 4 years on and off. This wast the best rune drop for me by far.
 
Killer_sss said:
in reply to gaza i know you were not asking me but i play 4 three reasons to get a lvl 99, collect every posible item i can, and third to talk to friends online and have fun playing with them.(this is in no particular order i would prolly put friends at the top.)
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ahh yeah, I agree with the making friends one 2 :)

getting to 99 - that is a mission indeed good luck to that one.

I used to have that goal - highest character is 95 and it takes forever to get passed that.

I mean like 500 baal runs I would say.

to 96....

not fun :)

I 2 also collect elite uniques.

have pretty much 70% of them I would guess.

No tyreals might yet ;)
 
You know, I gave up caring whether or not the runes I traded for are duped. Enjoy them while you can, and thats the best anyone can do. Instead of sitting there complaining about your situation, how about get up and do something about it. Rushing for forges are very viable, and if you are lucky, a high rune on ladder is two rushes away
 
FinalDay said:
Other ways ppl mention are HellForge runs. Rush a newborn character by party him with an 80+. Notice you need clvl=40 to enter Hell. I have not researched this,
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Obviously you didn't, since you don't need to lvl 40 to enter hell at all. At least, none of my mules is even close to that (most are less than clvl 10), but they are all in hell...

So either you are playing a different game, or I'm doing something wrong :-)

Darkstone has level limits for higher difficulties... maybe you are confusing things.
 
Myrakh-2 said:
Obviously you didn't, since you don't need to lvl 40 to enter hell at all. At least, none of my mules is even close to that (most are less than clvl 10), but they are all in hell...

So either you are playing a different game, or I'm doing something wrong :-)

Darkstone has level limits for higher difficulties... maybe you are confusing things.
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:)

Some ppl dont know that u can do one of 2 things :

(A)either play diablo classic till Hell Act 4, then convert your character to expansion, or (B) wait in town while someone who needs quest credit kills Baal so as u get quest credit.

Darkstone - now that brings back memories!
 
just trade stuff for runes, trade those runes for ists, trade 6-7 ists (euscl) for a hr and u got the hr...
if its nl 2-3ists would be enough to get a hr, but u cant cube them...
 
Good post FinalDay :)
Even if you didn´t write something new for me it is good to see that others feels similar about "Big-Last-Five".
After 4 years of legit plaing I realise that the couple of words:
"legit" and "Enigma"
is as much contradictory as:
"nothing" - "everything"
"good" - "evil"
"black" - "white" ...etc, etc

Recently released ladder only runewords, some of them containing 3 high runes are just "cheaters-only" stuff - simply designed as dupes by Blizzard itself. Even most addicted maniac has no chance to obtain them by legitime means during one ladder season.

To construct a perfect cheat-provoking social enviroment and than hunt MH users through the realms is (alternatively) LOL or a cruel social experiment made by Big Brother, masons, aliens... say who (yes, yes -we are in Matrix, my nurse says it too but she is a program herself)

I don´t bother anymore - I just play Diablo since... I like it :D
 
now lets have some fun and suppose 1 run= 1 El rune
9521245938000 El runes= 1 Zod rune (this is an aprox, value the exact number is irrelevant, just check out those nasty 9.521.245.938.000, thats a sh1t load of Els!).
Thats only 90575018 years, interesting...have faith, after all, it is little compared to the galaxy age.
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Where on earth did that number come from

I get 14,281,868,906,496 El's to make 1 Zod thats not including the gems needed, which there are 725,594,112 various gems needed.

The only real chance you have of getting the top 5 runes is by running Hell cows on players 8 they have the best chance for the higher runes.

With a bit of math you can prove that cubing runes is only effective for upgrading about 3 runes higher than you currently have or can find, any higher and the cost is too significant. 3 rune upgrades is ~27 runes and ~9 jewels, for higher runes. For runes above Pul those values drop to ~16 and ~8.

You will find a Zod before you could even cube 14,281,868,906,496 els and 725,594,112 various gems.
 
Uzziah said:
Where on earth did that number come from

I get 14,281,868,906,496 El's to make 1 Zod thats not including the gems needed, which there are 725,594,112 various gems needed.


You will find a Zod before you could even cube 14,281,868,906,496 els and 725,594,112 various gems.
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3^19 El = 1 Lem
2^13 Lem = 1 Zod

3^19 * 2^13 = 9521245938000 El = 1 Zod , that is 9,521,245,938,000 Els (quite a lot)
that seems correct, right?
(sorry, 10 digit calculator)


Surely a lot more than one Zod = )
 
Gaza0469 said:
Why are the top 5 runes so hard to get?


Let me ask you a question - why do u currently play D2

(1) Im guessing that u dont like the constant grind of killing bosses, so it must be to get uber items

(2) Uber items are the runewords

Therefore we all play constantly to get those elusive runes - its what has kept most of us here for so long I think.

If they were easy to get, then we would all run around with Hotos and Enigmas.

Hellforge runs are viable in my opinion.
Normal: El - Amn
Nightmare: Sol - Um
Hell: Hel - Gul

Each rune has a 1/11 chance to drop.

by using classic you could rush a character all the way to hell in 3 hours I would say, thats an hour per difficulty, with no hacks.



Lets say that u did 110 of these runs.

( 330 hours ) and lets say u play 10 hours per week.

Thats 33 weeks.


Now lets cube everything from SOL up.

U would now be the proud owner of a Sur Rune :)

LOL
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yep, correct, but 33 weeks to get a Sur means 66 weeks to get a Ber, and keep doubling the weeks up to Zod.
that is really far from what id call viable, i dont know how someone could go so long only hellforging and dont get sick of LoD...maybe thats just not for me, or maybe there is a new meaning to 'LoD fan' which is 'beyond my ken'.

and why do i play LoD? simple : TO HAVE FUN...imo that is every Pc game's only goal
'fun' is a different concept for everyone, for me, building characters is fun, playing with friends is fun, Mf is fun, playing legit is fun, trade would be fun...and of course to be rich would be fun...
but playing only hellforge again and again for 528 weeks to go Zod is very very boring for me, and i guess not only for me.

i respect the point of view of those out there who's goal is to be rich no matter the cost, i really dont think you are a bunch of psychos, if that is fun for you, be happy. Congratulations for such patience and honesty, rich and legit...i dont know where do you get that motivation, and even less when i think your treasure is only to be proud of such effort, because in fact, the wealth itself is pointless considering that most ppl is equally rich by cheating. An outrageous price for pride, imo.

and in response to Myrakh-2, no matter the clvl stuff, what it matters is the 3 hour per hellforge run (3 forges).
i guess if you want to get your hands on that runes, then Hunt3r_kill4 is right, trade em and forget ethics, enjoy.
 
Code: 
el	1	
eld	3
tir	9
nef	27
eth 	81
ith	243
tal	729
ral	2,187
ort	6,561
thul	19,683
amn	59,049
sol	177,147
sheal	531,441
dol	1,594,323
hel	4,782,969
io	14,348,907
lum 	43,046,721
ko	129,140,163
fal	387,420,489
lem	1,162,261,467
pul	3,486,784,401
um	6,973,568,802
mal	13,947,137,604
ist	27,894,275,208
gul	55,788,550,416
vex	111,577,100,832
ohm	223,154,201,664
Lo	446,308,403,328
sur	892,616,806,656
ber	1,785,233,613,312
jah	3,570,467,226,624
cham	7,140,934,453,248
zod	14,281,868,906,496

This Is the El equivilant scale I used when I hosted the "runerace" in the SPF. It's based on a recursive formula. You can go further and add in the gems needed starting with Thul.

Of course it does take 3 lems to make a pul, so its 3^20*2^12. :)
 
sangfagel said:
Good post FinalDay :)
Even if you didn´t write something new for me it is good to see that others feels similar about "Big-Last-Five".
After 4 years of legit plaing I realise that the couple of words:
"legit" and "Enigma"
is as much contradictory as:
"nothing" - "everything"
"good" - "evil"
"black" - "white" ...etc, etc

Recently released ladder only runewords, some of them containing 3 high runes are just "cheaters-only" stuff - simply designed as dupes by Blizzard itself. Even most addicted maniac has no chance to obtain them by legitime means during one ladder season.

To construct a perfect cheat-provoking social enviroment and than hunt MH users through the realms is (alternatively) LOL or a cruel social experiment made by Big Brother, masons, aliens... say who (yes, yes -we are in Matrix, my nurse says it too but she is a program herself)

I don´t bother anymore - I just play Diablo since... I like it :D
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truly it is not that hard to get a legit enigma. im hoping the ladder season will start up again in summer if you want i will race and try to prove its really not that dificult. if your smart you could prolly save up about 10 ists and if you c a high rune drop in a game you could prolly over pay 4 it to get a legit rune depending on the person. and ists will take a while to trade 4 but well worth the effort if you get to trade 4 a legit rune.
 
pepperhead21 said:
I was lucky enough to get a legit vex from andy and made a legit 38 hoto. Good times
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I found a legit Tir and El and made "Steel". I think I made a profit when I sold it to Charsi. Good times
 
Gaza0469 said:
Why are the top 5 runes so hard to get?


Let me ask you a question - why do u currently play D2

(1) Im guessing that u dont like the constant grind of killing bosses, so it must be to get uber items

(2) Uber items are the runewords

Therefore we all play constantly to get those elusive runes - its what has kept most of us here for so long I think.

If they were easy to get, then we would all run around with Hotos and Enigmas.

Hellforge runs are viable in my opinion.
Normal: El - Amn
Nightmare: Sol - Um
Hell: Hel - Gul

Each rune has a 1/11 chance to drop.

by using classic you could rush a character all the way to hell in 3 hours I would say, thats an hour per difficulty, with no hacks.



Lets say that u did 110 of these runs.

( 330 hours ) and lets say u play 10 hours per week.

Thats 33 weeks.

Statistically you should get :


Code: 
                               TOTAL
El   	9			9
 Eld 	9			9
 Tir  	9			9
 Nef  	9			9
 Eth  	9			9
 Ith  	9			9
 Tal  	9			9
 Ral  	9			9
 Ort  	9			9
 Thul 	9			9
 Amn  	9			9
 Sol 		9		9
 Shael  	9		9
 Dol 		9		9
 Hel  		9	9	18
 Io 		9	9	18
 Lum 		9	9	18
 Ko 		9	9	18
 Fal  		9	9	18
 Lem		9	9	18
 Pul  		9	9	18
 Um  		9	9	18
 Mal 			9	9
 Ist  			9	9
 Gul  			9	9
 Vex 				0
 Ohm  				0
 Lo 				0
 Sur 				0
 Ber  				0
 Jah  				0
 Cham 				0
 Zod 				0


Now lets cube everything from SOL up.

U would now be the proud owner of a Sur Rune :)

LOL
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So 33 weeks for a Sur, let's follow that through:

That would be 66 weeks for a Ber.
That would be 132 weeks for a Jah.
That would be 264 (over 5 years) weeks for a Cham.
That would be 528 weeks (over 10 years) for a Zod.

Now, tell me how many BotDs are there on the Bnet realms!? :rolleyes:

FinalDay is absolutely right, the top 5 runes (much less runewords) are basically impossible for a legit player.
 
KillJoyBob said:
So 33 weeks for a Sur, let's follow that through:

That would be 66 weeks for a Ber.
That would be 132 weeks for a Jah.
That would be 264 (over 5 years) weeks for a Cham.
That would be 528 weeks (over 10 years) for a Zod.

Now, tell me how many BotDs are there on the Bnet realms!? :rolleyes:

FinalDay is absolutely right, the top 5 runes (much less runewords) are basically impossible for a legit player.
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Can you say game balancing, Blizz can't!
 
The truth about high runes is pretty simple. Your chance of finding yourself a rune higher than Ohm is pretty slim, not impossible but very unlikely. Take it from someone who has been playing this game an hour to many. To give you an idea, there was a time in my life where I wasted probably 50-60 hours a week. In all those wasted hours I found a couple of Ohm, maybe 5 or 6 and I think I found a Lo once but I can't say for sure.

I will admit that things are a bit easier on ladder because of rune crafting but it's not like you can have high runes by the score. Also, I think that pretty much everyone would agree, most of the high runes found on the realm and especially on ladder are dupes.

That said, if you want to get some high runes at a decent rate the best way, imo, is to try your hands at charms crafting. You only need one lucky break to get some riches. That won't make those high runes more legit but it will certainly allow you to get them before the ladder season end................
 
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