The quest for Enigma

Some statistics I make in LK today, will do more of that to have better results. p7, 4-5 popables + 6 chests. I paid more attention to gems than usual, even dug them out from craps what I usually don't do. Even with that, my number of Pgems is nowhere close to some mentioned values here, in fact I think my Travincal gem/run results are better. So far I can tell the reason I farm more gems in LK is that my running time is better than in Travincal, not because there are more gem drops in LK. Still too soon to make conclusion, but I'll do more runs to prove or disprove these results so far.

Special note on all: Yes, it's definitely possible that I missed something here and there, I didn't dug around when million of items was on the ground, only if I saw something drop, and possibly I missed some of items here and there.

Sample: 304 runs

Perfect Gems: 70 (1/4.3)
Jewels: 60 (1/5.1)
Small Charms: 52 (1/5.8)
Grand Charms: 43 (1/7.1)
Magic Circlets: 27 (1/11.3)
Rare Rings: 13 (1/23.4)
Rare Circlets: 2
Rare Amulets: 2
Magic Monarch: 1

I also collect runes like Lum+, Thul, Ral and Sol. If someone wants to join in, go ahead. More data, better results.
 
Does anyone have a run counter that they would recommend? I zone out and never actually count my runs manually, I just go until I run out of keys.
 
As one who's trying to find another Ber to make infinity I winced at cubing of Bers to make a Jah. Still, congratulations. I only regretted making mine first over coh for a little bit.
 
Already cubed Surs/Bers to Jah twice already. Still not enough Jah.
To be honest, ber is pretty useless when one already has Coh/beast/infi/enigma.

I'm going to start another 10k trav project, again split with 3k barb/7k pal. That means I won't be finding a zod, but area level 85 finds have been pretty bad lately.
 
Well, including ethereal COH and multiple types of 'Infinity', not to mention all the PvP uses, that's a lot of Ber runes to go through before they become useless... :badteeth: Heavily depends on ones goals, of course.
 
crawlingdeadman said:
As one who's trying to find another Ber to make infinity I winced at cubing of Bers to make a Jah. Still, congratulations. I only regretted making mine first over coh for a little bit.
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I made CoH first, and I think I would now place enigma over it, except in a few cases. CoH is incredibly good, but I only have a few uses for it, whereas I have about 10 different uses for enigma
 
There are at least two different aspects to view at this.

There are only 3 Jah runes I ever need in Diablo - one is for Enigma, second is for Faith, third is for Fury claw. Any other runeword with Jah is more like expensive bonus than need in my book, Fury is questionable and probably is not "must have" category and also belongs in here. I do want to make dual Dream, but just like I said, that is only expensive bonus and only for experimental builds anyway. Phoenix is another runeword people usually like, but I really don't want to spend 2 Vex, Lo and Jah on that. Only my personal need and criteria, but not "only". What is easily replaceable is questionable for "must have" category imo, or if something is useful in very rare circumstances. I view on Phoenix that way.

Ber runes... different story. Enigma, obvious choice. Beast, oujea, very important weapon it is. CoH... great armor it is, but didn't make it yet cause I rarely ever need it cause of my playstyle, but I will. Infinity, 2 Bers here, must have weapon. Ber Ber CoA, not something PvM-ers will use, but for PvP that is like ultimate hat on some characters in some circumstances. Ber -req jewel CoA, fantastic for some caster which needs additional damage reduction, this is great way to get it. Greater problem is to get 15 DR 2 socket CoA to socket it, those things are very rare.

Summation is, Jah rune is needed on many runewords, but only 2 of them I see in category of "must have", not sure about Fury. Anything else I can't see in "must have" category runeword.
Ber rune is needed on many runewords, and 4 are "must have" runewords what requires 5 Ber runes, and 1 ultimate expensive pvp hat which is not "must have", but indeed is ultimate. 2-3? Jah vs 5-7 Ber. Ofc everything depends on desires and goals of person, but I'm positive there can be given good arguments on why are some items "must have" category, and other are more like personal choice. In that sense I do say Ber is more useful than Jah is. If some item I didn't mention is in "must have" category, then I surely miss the point why is that so anyone feel free to comment on that.

However if we consider making all possible runewords, some novelty builds, than that is different story. Last Wish - 3 Jah runes. Gogogogo.
 
zaphodbrx said:
Already cubed Surs/Bers to Jah twice already. Still not enough Jah.
To be honest, ber is pretty useless when one already has Coh/beast/infi/enigma.
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Exactly, once you have everything you can make from Bers... Jah is pretty useless too, once you've made everything that requires it.
 
Yeah, good point!

Anyway I was just checking out some magic find % for travincal, such as the chance to drop facets, and such. Good thing that most of the standard gold find kit comes with a pretty high amount of MF as well, wealth armor, chance guards, gheeds, dual lem ali baba, etc. Wonder if it could be improved but I'm not sure, because magic find has diminishing returns while gold find does not.

Also I tried out treachery armor for the first time in trav ( merc ). Not sure I like it, he attacks a little faster but mostly he becomes a lot more vulnerable to hydras. GA is fine.

Edit: Is that really 1 monarch in 304 runs? Sounds terrible..
 
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I did ~200 yesterday and the highest from chest was a Ko :D

I've never gotten higher than a Mal from LK :/ Although I've haven't done that much running before. Maybe a total of 3k runs so far with the highest being a Mal is so discouraging seeing what all of you guys find.
 
srrw said:
I did ~200 yesterday and the highest from chest was a Ko :D

I've never gotten higher than a Mal from LK :/ Although I've haven't done that much running before. Maybe a total of 3k runs so far with the highest being a Mal is so discouraging seeing what all of you guys find.
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Are you on p8? P8 has tons more rune drop patterns. If you've really done 3k runs, I would wonder if you're in the wrong version or something. That sounds like a statistical impossibility. If you're really interested, maybe we can get fabian to figure out the odds of that happening

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LK Runs: 500

Pgems: 119 (one in 4.2 runs)
Jewels: 98 (5.1)
Small Charms: 91 (5.5)
Grand Charms: 81 (6.2)
Magic Circlets: 47 (10.6)
Rare Rings: 19 (26.3)
Magic Monarch: 5
Rare Amulets: 4
Rare Circlets: 3

Now that is interesting race there for a second place. I wonder will Jewels win, they should. And yes, I do enjoy this :p
 
Dazliare said:
Are you on p8? P8 has tons more rune drop patterns. If you've really done 3k runs, I would wonder if you're in the wrong version or something. That sounds like a statistical impossibility. If you're really interested, maybe we can get fabian to figure out the odds of that happening

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1.13d; /players 7
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@ Nagisa
Yes, that is standard for any Lk runner so my goal is to provide "realistic" results. I hit one skeleton and 3 corpses every time, additional corpse if it spawns near waypoint, also open some random chest here and there.

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Okay, don't know is that standard for LK runners, but it is standard for my running style, so I want to have realistic data for my own playstyle. Someone who opens only chests, he will get less of all things obviously.
 
350 runs total on /players 7: Mal, Vex, Sur, Sur

Averaging 35 seconds per run according to Silospen's Save Counter (thanks dazliare!)
 
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