The Perfect Grail

[purplelocust]

Aha- I think I got the stragglers! Cells B706 and B707 should be blank and that seems to fix things for me. I was off by one since for one of my grailers (Warshrike) I don't have a non-ethereal version of, so Flavie counts it but it's not in my perfect grail spreadsheet.

 

[BabyLink]

I don'T if it has been posted yet, but you could add to the grail the Runewords, at least the properties and for more obsession, all the items that it is possible to make a runeword from. Like:

Dusk Shroud CoH
Wyrmhide Coh
Archon plate CoH

and such

 

[Hrus]

I don'T if it has been posted yet, but you could add to the grail the Runewords, at least the properties and for more obsession, all the items that it is possible to make a runeword from. Like:

Dusk Shroud CoH
Wyrmhide Coh
Archon plate CoH

and such

I am sorry, but I don't understand what you mean.
Most people at SPF will not make more than 1 runeword which includes the HR. And you want to make CoH in all possible armors or what?

 

[BabyLink]

I meant that you could first make CoH in let's say, an Archon Plate. Then you try to find about 1000000000 bers, ists and ums (good luck on that one, tho...)so you could make other CoHs in all other armors.

Maybe something easier would just be to make at least 1 time each runeword (you would need RWM for extra challenge...infinity...) and try or hope to have the closest to perfect.

 

[Hrus]

I meant that you could first make CoH in let's say, an Archon Plate. Then you try to find about 1000000000 bers, ists and ums (good luck on that one, tho...)so you could make other CoHs in all other armors.

Maybe something easier would just be to make at least 1 time each runeword (you would need RWM for extra challenge...infinity...) and try or hope to have the closest to perfect.

So it was a joke, not the serious suggestion? Like some of your other posts here at SPF lately? Because I really think that I will start to delete your posts as spam if you don't have anything important to say.

EDIT: Hmm, as I read it, your other posts are not so bad, I was mistaking you with someone else. So don't take this warning too seriously. (But that's what the mentioning of multiple CoHs can get you here ... in troubles) :wink3:

 

[Tigereye1]

This task of making a program calculating the perfect percent of all items is moving along, I found that it was a little more complicated, because when I used the program for calculating the perfection percentage of my Tarnhelms I got 144%, this was because I had socketed one with a Perfect Topaz. So that was a little challenge, but it is now solved (incl. other socketed Rune or Jewels witch could change variable stats).

But I now have a question:

When I look at Biggin's Bonnet at Arreat Summit I see:
Defense: 17-19 (varies)(Base Defense: 3-5)
Required Level: 3
Durability: 12
+30% Enhanced Damage
+14 Defense
+30 To Attack Rating
+15 To Mana
+15 To Life
(Spawns In Any Patch)

But I think I have read that when an item has +xx% Enhanced Defense it will always use the highest Base Defense. This is also what is observed for Howltusk, but why is 35*1.8 ?= 64, I get 35*1.8 = 63 for Howltusk.

 

[psych]

Items which spawn with %edef will roll maxdef+1 on their defense.

In case of howltusk this is 36 (*1.8 = 64.8 -> rounds down to 64)

In case of biggins bonnet it does not spawn with %edef, only +14def so it will get a random basedef roll

 

[Tigereye1]

Thank psych, the +1 to maxdef explains a lot. Biggin's Bonnet has enhanced DAMAGE not defense, I must have been tired at the time, I even though I checked this two or three times.

 

[purplelocust]

Thank psych, the +1 to maxdef explains a lot. Biggin's Bonnet has enhanced DAMAGE not defense, I must have been tired at the time, I even though I checked this two or three times.

Biggins is quite weird that way, and it is totally reasonable to presume that ED on a helm is enhanced defence, not damage, since that is the way it is for just about every other helm. Biggins is prized in Classic for BvB precisely because of the 30% E Damage, BTW.

 

[cloak]

How is the development of the perfection calculator tool? I would like to present an idea that could be useful: there could be a simple calculator that reads certain lines, do some calculation, and then print a perfection output. It would be used with another file, probably a .txt, that would contain the name of an item, the lines where there are variations, the ranges of the variation and the min values for the variations.

We could have an item with Enhanced Damage 100% - 120%. So, range = 20% and min value = 100%. Then we pick an specific item, lets say, with 110% ed.

(specific value - min value)/range = (110 - 100)/20 = 0.5

I'm just repeating what others have said about the range. But what you guys think of the first idea? It probably would be easier to find the most perfect Nagelring among 30 others and with some adaptations we could make it so it calculates a full stash of goodies.

And last, if we use a file dependent feature, like described above, anyone would be able to go into Arreat's Summit and gather the data, without the programmer doing everything by himself ;D

 

[Tigereye1]

Hi cloak, I am presently working on this, but I am making a program doing all of this (reading the full ATMA dump and calculating the perfection percentage of the best of each item) but without a input-file of the variables stat. There are a couple of pitfalls, like: variable stats is not always on the same line (if item is unidentified or it has been socketed) and if socketed items socket increase the variable stat so it is displayed larger than the normal range. I have made corections to the program so it correct for theese features, but so far have only done Biggin's Bonnet and Tarnhelm, but it should go pretty fast now, because now I have the basic for one item. This is as long as I don't run in to new problems.

If anyone want a copy of the code I would be happy to send it, I am doing this in Java (never used it before).

 

[EasyG]

I finally updated a new perfect grail sheet. i fixed some typo's. blanked some cells in b column, removed ctc variables, and much more improvements, you can find them all at the 5th sheet. You can download it at the first post in this thread.

 

[Anri]

Not to put anyone down really, but I wonder what's the chance to find a perfect Goldstrike Arch unique Gothic Bow? It has a huge variable amount, I never saw a perfect one.

 

[jjscud]

Not to put anyone down really, but I wonder what's the chance to find a perfect Goldstrike Arch unique Gothic Bow? It has a huge variable amount, I never saw a perfect one.

That's easy, look at the stat ranges and multiply them out.

50 x 100 x 100 x 50 = 25,000,000

There you go, a nice easy 25 million. I've seen much rarer stuff in d2.

Now if you realy want fun, look at the 1.7 million rolls possible on a Tyrael's.

 

[Tigereye1]

That's easy, look at the stat ranges and multiply them out.

50 x 100 x 100 x 50 = 25,000,000

There you go, a nice easy 25 million. I've seen much rarer stuff in d2.

Now if you realy want fun, look at the 1.7 million rolls possible on a Tyrael's.

Actually it is 51 x 101 x 101 x 51 = 26.532.801.

 

[purplelocust]

Actually it is 51 x 101 x 101 x 51 = 26.532.801.

For Tyrael's, if the Arreat Summit is correct:

Defense: 1322-1502 (varies)(Base Defense: 487-600)
Required Level: 84
Required Strength: None
+120-150% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+50-100% Damage To Demons (varies)
+20% Faster Run/Walk
+20-30 To Strength (varies)
All Resistances +20-30 (varies)
Cannot Be Frozen
Requirements -100%
Slain Monsters Rest in Peace
Indestructible
(Ladder Only)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Then I see 114 possibile base defences (487 to 600)
31 possible EDef% (120-150)
51 possible EDam% to demons (50-100)
11 possible strength bonuses (20-30)

for a total of 1982574 possible rolls. I already have at least 15 non-perfect Goldstrike Arches, I'd be very happy to find any of the 1982573 non-perect versions of Tyrael's, though!

 

[EasyG]

I don't know if Tigereye is still making a perfection calculation programm, but meanwhile I couldn't resist making an ethereal perfection sheet.
I fixed 2 errors in the normal perfection sheet:
-added +damage to stone crusher
-added vidala's ambush to the graphs

The ethereal perfection sheets are in the same file. Like allways you can download this file at the first post of this topic.
I've been trying to put in the right defense and durability very carefully, so I'm reasonable sure there are no errors.

Good luck filling in these sheets. I allready did and gonna fill my ethereal perfection in the tables right now :smiley:

 

[EasyG]

Version 3.1 is released, changes are:

added AddDam for Redeemer
Cleared Ormus' Robes table in EthData
Ormus' Robes typo
Removed Blood raven's Charge from eth data

These changes can also be found in the info sheet of the file and the file can be downloaded at the first post of this thread.

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

I just redownloaded the sheet, and noticed the info-sheet had not been updated to reflect the changes made.

And I found another typo similar to the one for Ormus' robes: it's Firelizard's Talons.

Really, those typos are very minor relative to the total amount of data.

Edit: nevermind, I'm going to try and redownload again, there don't seem to be any changes, maybe with an older copy already present in my download folder, the new one does not overwrite it.

Edit: okay, what apparently happend is that you did make those changes in your personal, filled sheet, but not in the empty version.

 

[krovak]

I just downloaded the sheet and began filling. If I am not mistaken, the sanctuary aura level on Azurewrath is variable - that is missing in the sheet(it must be because you are still looking for one, right?:grin.

Great work anyways. I can't wait to see my result.