The 1pt smiter guide to Uber Tristram v 1.0.

i'm in the middle-class when it comes to wealth. I was just wondering if a non-upped hoz would be okay to use, or is it worth it to grab sanctuary?
 
On the PI subject. Azurewrath is a good option however, it only has +1 to skills. I like use Astreon's on switch with a Sprit shield to give a +skills pre-buff to holy shield. I don't like the thought of having to change the switch weapon around all the time. Astreon's does deal magic damage, albeit half of the damage Azurewrath does and has +2 - 4 Combat skills.
I haven't tried the Astreon's lately but will give it a go vs. PI's and report back.
 
fanat zealer gear Help!

I have a lvl 91 zealer in sNL. I'm currently using:
guillam's +15ias, Stone 1737 def. Ebotd/Hoz, Draculs ,Gores,27 maras, String of ears, low raven, and low bk ring. My total dexterity is 161, but I only have 66% chance to hit hell baal. What's the deal? should i get better ravens? or add more to dexterity.

Oh yea, and i saved up 45 stats & 8 skills. lol. fanat/sacrifice/and holy shield is maxed, but defiance isn't. I''m not noticing much of a change in my defense. It says about 17.5k while running fanat.....ultimately, i want to be able to do uber trist solo. but, my zeal damage is 2.5-6.2k and smite is only around 900's. My pally's life is 1700+...unfortunately no cta or really any gear ready on switch. I have 45fr,cr,pr,& 62 lr....would the gris shield help if I got it? I might be able to get my hands on a coh too, since fort. is hard to come by on non ladder. I just don't want to 'screw up' the first time i do uber trist or the mini ubers. I want to annihilate them.


any suggestions or comments are welcomed
 
If possible, make a Sanctuary shield in an elite paladin shield with +4x all res mod.

If not, go with 4x pdia elite shield, or griswolds 3x pdia or umed hoz.
 
morbidvandal said:
I have a lvl 91 zealer in sNL. I'm currently using:
guillam's +15ias, Stone 1737 def. Ebotd/Hoz, Draculs ,Gores,27 maras, String of ears, low raven, and low bk ring. My total dexterity is 161, but I only have 66% chance to hit hell baal. What's the deal? should i get better ravens? or add more to dexterity.

Oh yea, and i saved up 45 stats & 8 skills. lol. fanat/sacrifice/and holy shield is maxed, but defiance isn't. I''m not noticing much of a change in my defense. It says about 17.5k while running fanat.....ultimately, i want to be able to do uber trist solo. but, my zeal damage is 2.5-6.2k and smite is only around 900's. My pally's life is 1700+...unfortunately no cta or really any gear ready on switch. I have 45fr,cr,pr,& 62 lr....would the gris shield help if I got it? I might be able to get my hands on a coh too, since fort. is hard to come by on non ladder. I just don't want to 'screw up' the first time i do uber trist or the mini ubers. I want to annihilate them.


any suggestions or comments are welcomed
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morbidvandal, overall a good setup. A couple of minor suggestions. You stated your chance to hit was low, assuming you have plenty of dex for max block, I'd add some Steel GC's (+Attack Rating). You need to bring your AR up to a good number for a high chance to connect (85-95%) with all that damage your doing with eBOTD. You stated you had a low Ravenfrost so if you can get one with similar dex (to keep your block) and increase the AR on the ring, that would help.
I'd also substitute out that String of Ears for a TGods. The +Max Lightning protection from TGods will really help vs. Ubers. You already have plenty of life leach from BOTD and BK.
Since you're not using Exile and only have 5% chance of life tap from the Drac's, I'd also recommend a life tap wand to get LT working before you start smiting or zealing vs. Ubers.
Stick a couple points in Salvation. You'll need either that or to overstack your resists vs. Uber Meph.
Another idea would be to make a good Duress armor instead of Stone for the extra CB and plus damage from Duress. Duress is really cheap too.
Lastly, stick all those extra points in Vitality. The extra life is always a good thing when Uber running.
BTW, your setup is more conducive to zealing than smiting because you are not getting any plus damage from either your weapon or armor. Weapons with plus damage include Redeemer, Astreon's and Grief RW. Armor with plus damage includes Duress and Fortitude. I understand that Lo rune is cost prohibitive in NL so if you want to Smite, try either Redeemer or Astreon's on switch with the HoZ. Put a high resist elite pally shield on the eBOTD switch. Both redeemer and astreon's offer plus skills for pallies which make them ideal for prebuff on the Holy Shield. Assuming you can get a +4 Astreon's, that'd give you +8 skills to prebuff with. Switch 1 could be your zealer setup and switch 2 could be your prebuff and smite setup.
 
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safetypro said:
morbidvandal, overall a good setup. A couple of minor suggestions. You stated your chance to hit was low, assuming you have plenty of dex for max block, I'd add some Steel GC's (+Attack Rating). You need to bring your AR up to a good number for a high chance to connect (85-95%) with all that damage your doing with eBOTD. You stated you had a low Ravenfrost so if you can get one with similar dex (to keep your block) and increase the AR on the ring, that would help.
I'd also substitute out that String of Ears for a TGods. The +Max Lightning protection from TGods will really help vs. Ubers. You already have plenty of life leach from BOTD and BK.
Since you're not using Exile and only have 5% chance of life tap from the Drac's, I'd also recommend a life tap wand to get LT working before you start smiting or zealing vs. Ubers.
Stick a couple points in Salvation. You'll need either that or to overstack your resists vs. Uber Meph.
Another idea would be to make a good Duress armor instead of Stone for the extra CB and plus damage from Duress. Duress is really cheap too.
Lastly, stick all those extra points in Vitality. The extra life is always a good thing when Uber running.
BTW, your setup is more conducive to zealing than smiting because you are not getting any plus damage from either your weapon or armor. Weapons with plus damage include Redeemer, Astreon's and Grief RW. Armor with plus damage includes Duress and Fortitude. I understand that Lo rune is cost prohibitive in NL so if you want to Smite, try either Redeemer or Astreon's on switch with the HoZ. Put a high resist elite pally shield on the eBOTD switch. Both redeemer and astreon's offer plus skills for pallies which make them ideal for prebuff on the Holy Shield. Assuming you can get a +4 Astreon's, that'd give you +8 skills to prebuff with. Switch 1 could be your zealer setup and switch 2 could be your prebuff and smite setup.
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Cool, then there's something I can do for a.r. I have a 4os archon & 3os dusk shroud already, so I can look into the duress. thanks. I'll start looking for the life tap wand and put my redeemer back on my pally. lol. I just traded for a 4os pally shield that has 4xres base of 40. I'll have 116% priz from the shield alone once i put p.diamonds in it. that will help, right? Couldn't i just make exile with it, or is that impossible b/c the mods on it already? And as for Astreon's, I don't know how hard they are to come by. This gear is fairly new to me, being my 1st pally of any kind. But I'm loving it.

so you're saying, put astreon & hoz or redeemer & hoz on for smite, then ebotd and the 4pdia shield on switch?
 
morbidvandal said:
Cool, then there's something I can do for a.r. I have a 4os archon & 3os dusk shroud already, so I can look into the duress. thanks. I'll start looking for the life tap wand and put my redeemer back on my pally. lol. I just traded for a 4os pally shield that has 4xres base of 40. I'll have 116% priz from the shield alone once i put p.diamonds in it. that will help, right? Couldn't i just make exile with it, or is that impossible b/c the mods on it already? And as for Astreon's, I don't know how hard they are to come by. This gear is fairly new to me, being my 1st pally of any kind. But I'm loving it.

so you're saying, put astreon & hoz or redeemer & hoz on for smite, then ebotd and the 4pdia shield on switch?
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Yep, You have it. BTW if you can make Exile and maintain your resists, that would be the best option in that nice 4os 40 allres shield. In that case use the exile to smite because of the life tap that exile has. If you can't make exile, put the 4 pdiamonds in and go the way you stated. All resist is much more important in uberland. Remember to keep an eye on that max block. If below 75% add dex or plus dex charms, rings, etc. to get that max block up.
Redeemer is good for smite because of the plus damage. Don't worry about Astreon's if you already have the redeemer. Extra plus skills are nice but not essential. What you have should do the job nicely.
 
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safetypro said:
Yep, You have it. BTW if you can make Exile and maintain your resists, that would be the best option in that nice 4os 40 allres shield. In that case use the exile to smite because of the life tap that exile has. If you can't make exile, put the 4 pdiamonds in and go the way you stated. All resist is much more important in uberland. Remember to keep an eye on that max block. If below 75% add dex or plus dex charms, rings, etc. to get that max block up.
Redeemer is good for smite because of the plus damage. Don't worry about Astreon's if you already have the redeemer. Extra plus skills are nice but not essential. What you have should do the job nicely.
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Cool...I'm on the right track finally. But I ran into another problem along the way. my redeemer was lost in a xfer. haha. Convenient how those things work. should i get another or find something completely different, like heaven's light or something. ya, i just socketed the shield w/4 p.diamonds for now...if i do get the runes to make it it'll become my 1st exile. :azn: Then I bought a life tap wand. I find the switch between kinda difficult at times...like when there's immunes. I don't use it for switch unless I'm sure no immunes are near.

And the higher raven's helped my AR; however, something tells me that if I'm not a smiter, it'll be a slim chance to hit the uber bosses. How does that work out for zeal/smite combo? Do you strictly smite, or do you zeal as well on the bosses? I'd probably be hitting them forever with smite. lol. if I had an exile, that's where the 6x shael phase blade comes in? This game is just nuts sometimes. lol.
thanks for the help by the way
 
Great guide King ! (and others involved)
I currently have a crappy hammerdin that need rebuilding even though i'm now getting good gear for him, and a zeal/1pt smite (your guide based) capable of running keys and ubers/dclone respectivly. Having done so a few times and tradded my excess torches and annis I have aquired a little wealth. But im growing tired of haveing to xfer keys/games from one to the other so among other things. I wish to rebuild the above two into one, more efficient killing machine as I love the boss killing of the smite and the crowd control of the hammers .
Reading earlier in the thread u mention a hammerdin wearing guilface,gores and dracs with a six socket shealed phaseblade as being capable of killing ubers. so with that in mind what would be the OPTIMAL hammerdin/1pt smite gear? how do i mix the two pallies efficiently? what is the best one point smite gear for a hammerdin to wear?
I currently have between the two old pallies:
dusk nigma(new)
hoto(new)/wiz spike
shako /um
spirit shield (dont remember type stats) /good res
raven/ mf/fastcast rings
chancies/trangs
goldwrap
+2skill ammy(blue no importent mods)
assorted charms no skillers tho

wire fleece fort /30 resis
heavens light/lightsaber
gores
dracs
guil face
spirit (better then hammers def/resis wise iiirc)
raven/raven
Tgods
+1 ammy with 14 res all and some other mods
same type of chams
lifetap wand on switch

I do not have a treachery (for resis buff) or CTA yet but I plan on getting them. In the end im not concerned if my uber killing speed drops as long as I can do everything (is that to much to ask lol)
 
Well,I don't know about optimal,but a very efficient hammerdin uber killer would probably use a grief phase blade and enough ias for max smite speed (without fanaticism),a source of life tap,be it drac's or exile and ~50% cb and a source of open wounds. I have soloed ubers only twice with my hammerdin,just to prove myself it can be done. The point in both hammers/1pt smite and zeal/1pt smite builds for me is the skill distribution. I'm against pally hybrids,like zealots that pump smite or hammerdins that invest in fanaticism,because for pvm/ubers,the best options are the pure,solid builds (zealot,hammerdin,smiter).
I use this thread to argue that hybrids offer absolutely no advantages vs ubers. (I leave hybridization for my pvp builds solely). Gear is secondary really. Keeping in mind that you need crushing blow,open wounds,life tap and stacked resists vs mephi,you can use whatever makes you enjoy the game better.
 
I feel the same way in terms of pure vs. hybrid. I guess what I need then is how to get the (as close to as possible) max smite speed while not losing to much other mod wise and with what I would have skill wise, max concentration, no fanat ,1 pt smite and the equip I have. What would I need for the heavens light (mine is +2/ 2os by the way) and a grief Phase if I were to aqquire one? And does the shield matter speed wise? if so i have the 2 spirits which are my current best pally shields:

hammers is a Arkan Targe
zeal/smite is a protector shield
 
For item prices check the trade value forum. The base type of shield doesn't affect the smite speed at all. It is the weapon base speed that matters,among other factors.
 
ok then so it is the speeds for the weapons I mentioned(heavens light and grief Phase) and then what? how much more do i needto be max (or close)?
 
It depends whether you use fanaticism or not and what level fana is. You can try the famous german weapon speed calculator,it is relialbe when it comes to paladins.
 
max concentration, NO fanat ,1 pt smite and the equip I have (ie heavens light with 2 open sockets and soon to be a grief Phaseblade)
is what ill be running as a hammer/1ptsmiteadin
 
Fanat is nice but doing uber runs is so easy that it is not needed. Say you have a hammerdin with the usual hammerdin skill distribution (e.g. no fanat) you will do fine if you have good equiqment.


My zeal/fanat 1 point smite Paladin's equiqment
-grief PB (only 31 ias)
-exile kurast shield
-guilaumes
-gores
-string of ears
-dracs
-maras
-coh
-ravenfrost
-soj
-paladin torch
-anni


I do meph while salvation is on (to counter his conviction) and then switch back to fanat for the other bosses but I have no problem taking meph down easily and fast and I can kill all ubers fast without having fanatismn on - I tried as a test - and this in my own 2 player games (only play one toon, the paladin).


I have done 12 uber runs so far btw. 3 amazon, 3 necro, 3 druid, 3 palatorches
 
Who has experience running the mini-ubers with this build? Do you bother to kill everything on the way to them, or do you just run straight through and hope you don't get hit?
 
Of course you can run the sub-ubers with this build. The only real problem is oblivion knights in furnace. Keep on switch something to confront iron maiden,like gimmershred,lacerator, a bow etc etc etc
 
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