Smite viable in PVM?

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OldSkoolPlaya

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Smite viable in PVM?

I looked through the guides and did a search but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. I recently made a HCCL pally and was thinking of maxing smite, fanta, defiance and holy shield. Maybe with a few points into vengenence as well to deal with the pesky physical immunes. Is this a viable build for a classic pall? Will he be able to go anyway in hell? Also what gear should I learn towards? Thanks a ton for the help.
 
OldSkoolPlaya said:
I looked through the guides and did a search but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. I recently made a HCCL pally and was thinking of maxing smite, fanta, defiance and holy shield. Maybe with a few points into vengenence as well to deal with the pesky physical immunes. Is this a viable build for a classic pall? Will he be able to go anyway in hell? Also what gear should I learn towards? Thanks a ton for the help.
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I doubt that Smite alone would work PvM...reason being is that you'd have to kill one at a time. Smite can be used as a backup attack, probably along with Zeal since you're going to max Fanat.
 
Hmm I was thinking the same thing. He is lvl 16 right now with like 10 unused skill points. I was thinking of maybe going with holy freeze and zeal or holy shock and zeal instead. I can't seem to make up my mind.... :lol: anyone else have any more input?
 
They are extremely strong vs individual targets, but general pvm they are not that great. They do work though, and i would definately consider them viable.

On a smiter, dont worry so much about what kind of shield you use, as most of your physical dmg comes from holy shields bonus, instead get maximum crushing blow (your 95% main dmg source)

Since your not dependenton ar, it makes you more flexible in terms of gear.

Max holy shield, fanat, smite, and your done. After that defiance is ok, and you'll want to get a decent lvl of redemption, as smite cant leach.

A good gear setup that ive had pvm sucess w/- Full clegaws set, rare res rings, +pal res ammy, gob toe, twitch, deaths belt or rare and using thawing pots

As for helm, a rare w/ fhr//res will work.

About the full clegs- it kills faster than a godly barbed shield//+2 40 ias wepn// other gloves due to its 35% crushing blow. The weapon is also -10 base speed, which is good. The deadly strike i think works with smite, also, but im not sure.


Make sure you have max fire//light resists, large crushing blow, and 6fpa smite. Thats all you need




Fred
 
Wow! This looks like a really interesting build. I'm seriously debating about making one. Anyways, this would be my first character so I would need something that can solo all of the acts and what not. Do you think this would be good? Also, how's his killing speed in packs?

Thanks!
 
Papasmurf90 said:
Also, how's his killing speed in packs?
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slow, but doable.

Any skill that hits 1 enemy at a time will be worse than 1 that is area of effect. Smiters are cool tho, and the gear i reccomended is pretty cheap.

Although smiter are kinda slow at killing vs large packs, they make up for it vs bosses, and they dont rele have problems surviving.

If you like smite, then go for it :thumbsup:








Fred
 
Okay, thanks. Right now I'm debating between a Bowzon, an Orb Sorc with TS as backup, or a Smiter. This is getting off topic but since you have helped me in all three situations I was just curious, which do you think would be the best to start off with? Which would be second best?

Thanks!
 
Papasmurf90 said:
Okay, thanks. Right now I'm debating between a Bowzon, an Orb Sorc with TS as backup, or a Smiter. This is getting off topic but since you have helped me in all three situations I was just curious, which do you think would be the best to start off with? Which would be second best?

Thanks!
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Hmm. Well, considering this is unwinked hc, i suggest you start off with a character that is durable, and endgame gear easy to obtain.

Bowazon- very gear dependant imo, wait until you get a good bow to do this one.

Orb//TS sorc- good build, but, again, i wouldnt do it without good endgame gear, which, unfortunately, in hccl can take a while to get if ur untwinked. (shard, rares//sojs, etc.)

Smiter- the setup i suggested.. is pretty damn easy to come by. Crappy rare rings with 25+ fire//light resists, pris ammy hopefully with +pal but not needed, full clegs (free) gob toe.. can be found, 25+ fire//light fhr no life rare helm, deaths sash, it can be obtained by trading gear you find on your travels.

So, i would go smiter out of these 3.

Im also starting a hccl smiter 2morrow, what realm are you on?




EDIT: goddamn, classic pvm smiters own... sorta. My single player lvl 80 one made with editor, just killed hell andy in 6 seconds, while swamped, without getting a scratch.





Fred
 
Awesome thanks. Looks like I'll be making a Smiter. For nothing else, at least I'll be a good tank for my friends. :)

Anyways, I guess I'll be getting:

- 20 Holy Shield
- 20 Fant
- 20 Smite

What else do you recommend I put skill points into? Secondly, smite can't leech right? So I guess I'll have to depend on potions. Also, what str and dex numbers should I shoot for? What would be a safe number to shoot for? No mana right?

Oh yeah, I play on USWest HCCL. My account is HapaHaoleBlood. Anyways, sorry for all of the questions and thank you so much for all of the help!
 
Papasmurf90 said:
Awesome thanks. Looks like I'll be making a Smiter. For nothing else, at least I'll be a good tank for my friends. :)

Anyways, I guess I'll be getting:

- 20 Holy Shield
- 20 Fant
- 20 Smite

What else do you recommend I put skill points into? Secondly, smite can't leech right? So I guess I'll have to depend on potions. Also, what str and dex numbers should I shoot for? What would be a safe number to shoot for? No mana right?

Oh yeah, I play on USWest HCCL. My account is HapaHaoleBlood. Anyways, sorry for all of the questions and thank you so much for all of the help!
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Smite cant leach. Using the setup i said, 40 base strength, 29 base dex (39 dex 4 sword, 50 for gob toe, counting in +stats from twitch)

When your done maxiing them, 1 salvation is great, then i would suggest 10+ points to redemption and about 10 to defiance. Redemption is your leach :)




Oh, and, this build does kill rather quickly at hell river of flame, i am happy to say!





Fred
 
Okay, thanks. Wow, that leaves a LOT of room for vitality. :) Anyways, sorry for the noob question but I'm assuming no mana right? Just want to make sure. I'm a perfectionist... :D

One more thing, what stats would you recommend for godly gear for this character?

Thanks.
 
So my stats should look like this:

Str - 40
Dex - 29
Vit - Rest

Sorry, I just want to make sure as I got a little confused. Why do I need 50 dex for Gob Toe? I only need 50 str for Gob Toe. Sorry!
 
Copycats. haha, well I'm glad I at least suggested a build that got some people interested. I know I am having a lot of fun with him right now. Although it might be rough coming up with the items, I haven't found anything good yet except for a rixon keen and that won't last much longer then act 2. Hopefully I can get a pair of goblin and some other decent stuff so I can maybe do some meph runs when I get to a higher lvl and try to get that twitch and clegs.
 
Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Also, this may be a stupid question but I got my Smite at level 13 right now and it's only doing like 7-9 dmg or something. Did I do something wrong? :) I'm hoping Fant brings it WAY up. Do the shields affect it at all?

Finally, yeah, I'm still curious what to do about the stats as I got slightly confused.

Thanks!
 
Papasmurf90 said:
So my stats should look like this:

Str - 40
Dex - 29
Vit - Rest

Sorry, I just want to make sure as I got a little confused. Why do I need 50 dex for Gob Toe? I only need 50 str for Gob Toe. Sorry!
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you need 39 dex for clegs sword, after twitch, 29 base dex is perfect.

And i forgot, you need 45 base strength when using this setup. Points to energy? Lafff.

@oldskoolplayer: rikxots keen will last forever, it just isnt the best. Also, ive been playing around with classic pvm smiters for a while, and, it was only trying it with clegs that got me excited. (ok, its not the BEST, but its cheap, is a very high life setup, and almost as good, perfect for untwinked players)

Yes, shields dmg effects smites dmg :)

So, at the point where physical dmg is more important than huge cb(until late nm//early hell), a rare barbed shield is best. Your shields dmg list their smite dmg, so just use the best u can.

About your low dmg, its due to low//no holy shield. Holy shield adds way more smite dmg than smite itself.

In general, maxed smite, holy shield with a barbed shield (highest smite dmg shield avialable) you can get about 1k dmg. With clegs shield (2nd lowest smite dmg shield in the game) you get about 600 dmg. A small price to pay for the 35% crushing blow, and, lets face it, using a full set to great effect is styling.


About killing physical immunes, clegs sword with the partial set bonus's dmg with a 1 pnt vengeance is enough to take out the odd physical immunes you may encounter, sorry to mention that before.


Oh, and the rich setup?

Same gear as above, minus the full clegs. Add in a weapon thats base speed and//or ias on it reaches 6 fpa, with crushing blow and hopefully open wounds. This will be a normal unique 1h weapon. deaths gloves, rattlecage, a rare barbed shield with resists, fhr, + skills, all those good mods. Dont worry about 30/20, as with maxed holy shield, almost anything will give u maxed block. And holy shield gives u the 2 frame fbr, 30% extra fbr wont do squat.

Oh, and, another thing that makes you that 1 extra bit better, prebuff holy shield for more smite dmg. Put on + skills, cast holy shield at its higher lvl, put on reg gear. With a +7 skills prebuff (on cleg smiter) i got about 100 extra smite dmg, and holy shield lasted over 10 mins, definately not bad to do, also, more defense.












Fred
 
Sweet thanks. So:

- 29 Dex
- 45 Str
- Rest Vit

- 20 Holy Shield
- 20 Smite
- 20 Fant
- 1 Vengenace

Looks good? I'm SO sorry for all of the questions, I just want to make this character perfect. And the gear should look like:

Helm - ?
Ammy - ?
Shield - Cleglaws
Weapon - Cleglaws or 1H Sword w/ CB and OW
Armor - Twitchthroe or Rattlecage
Belt - ?
Gloves - Cleglaws
Boots - ?
Ring - ?
Ring - ?

So sorry for more questions. What do you recommend for the other gear that I have question marks for. Also, you mentioned rattlecage, but with only 45 strength, how will I get there? If possible, could you just list all of the end game gear that I should aim for? If not, I'd totally understand since you've helped me so much already.

Thank you SO much!
 
Well my classic hardcore smiter is lvl 33 now. Since he has fanta and a decent lvl holy shield now he is doing so much better. The lower lvl's were a little rough killing wise. I am currently running normal meph now in hopes of getting some goblin toe's, twitch, clegs....anything. Not much luck but I have managed to find some nice rares along the way. The nice thing is he kills meph in only a few seconds. I might start running nm andy soon but I don't want to get to far ahead of myself.
 
Smiters used to be one of the most fun builds, now with 1.10 and the higher hitpoints of monsters and iron maiden, it can be problematic, especially in the chaos sanct, where most peeps lvl up at endgame.

Your weapon speed helps the smite, you may have read that in the guide u looked at. Also, with so many concentration pallys around u can get a big damage boost. And an amp cursing necro can help too. This is especially important in big games. Sometimes u can just smite a whole pack of monsters, with the long stun, u can then focus on the one monster u first want.

Not very many people go all the way thru the game with smite anymore. Of great concern to me is that u are hc, and with all that damage, and iron maiden curse in the chaos sanct, u are in for a surprise. You say that this is ur first char, must be first hc char. Instadeath is a possible problem there, my low smite damage paladin puts on holy freeze in the cs. Which means slow kill. I would watch out for lightning bosses too, no leech and fast buildup of bolts could kill u fast even with 75% lr.
 
Does the Holy Freeze/Shock damage in attacks applies to Smite too?

Nevermind, just found in Arreat Summit that it doesn't add. A pitty...
 
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