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Rune Values

I was wondering whats common in SPF about rune values.
In Bnet ESL , it seems Mal= Ist= Vex= Ohm= Lo= Ber= Jah and all are considered High Runes, according to http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728534

In SPF, some people say it goes according to cubing values ,
eg. Vex=2Ist=4Mal

But if that stands correct, i wonder how someone could ever hope to make a top tier runeword like Infinity, since 1 Ber would be 2 Lo's , 4 Ohm's , etc.
Unless of course he made 20k LK runs to try to find the Bers himself :coffee:
 
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Some people get lucky, others run thousands of LK runs, others HF rush.

In general, a Gul is worth slightly less than 2xIsts, as 2 Ists = 1 Gul, but also anything an Ist can be used in.
In addition, runes in the SPF are scarcer, so rune values vary on the specific wealth/needs/specific goals of the SPF member.
 
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Actually, Vex= ~2 Guls, not 2 Ists.
Given, people don't usually trade Gul to 2 Ist, but during payment for item trades, people generally sum up the value. So if you're paying for 2 Um worth of an item, you can pay Mal, or pay Ist and get a Mal in change. It's not rigid value, but is commonly accepted that way.
Making high-end runewords is not something easily done (and it isn't supposed to be, even on b.net if not because of the dupes), and requires effort, as in LK runs/HFrush/simple luck, like drystan said.
 
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Here is another related thread.

Duping on Bnet has seriously devalued runes online. Here in the SPF they're the value they're designed to be. I don't necessarily agree with that value (I personally think that a person shouldn't need a 400 hour investment to get an Enigma), but thats the way it was designed.
 
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I'd go so far as to say some runes are almost untradeable.
A Sur+ on SP is more valuable than just about any item in the game. - especially if you've put in 10k Lk runs.

Whereas I got my first ever Zod on ESCL on a trade for a pair of Perfect chance guards. Afterwards, i wondered if i got ripped off cause i couldn't get rid of the zod!

Kefka
 
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So how many Ists is a Ber ?
If we strictly follow the cubing principles its 16, but I cant believe anyone would give 16 Ists for a Ber!
 
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I think it's 64 Ists actually.

Gul 2 ists, vex 4, ohm 8, lo 16, sur 32, ber 64. Is my math right?

Triple post :D
 
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LestrangeSorc said:
Yes, you are right , 64.
But i dont believe 64 Ists equal to 1 Ber , as far as usefulness is considered (?)
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Once you've made all the good RWs with Ists in, as well as a 4 Ist Monarch and stuck some in Weapons for the MF, what else do you do with the ones left over?



 
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As I said in the first reply:

"In general, a Gul is worth slightly less than 2xIsts, as 2 Ists = 1 Gul, but also anything an Ist can be used in."

Thus, 2xIsts = 1Gul in cubing, but 2xIsts is slightly more valuable than a Gul in trading terms. Most here would prefer 64 Ists as opposed to 1 Ber.* Those Ists can do so much, including what the Ber can do, whereas, a Ber is limited to just a Ber.

*given almost no rune wealth. IE, if someone already has everything with Ists+ in it, they're prefer not to have to cube them to a Ber.
 
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colony said:
Once you've made all the good RWs with Ists in, as well as a 4 Ist Monarch and stuck some in Weapons for the MF, what else do you do with the ones left over?
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Maybe you are right about Ist
but generally, cube balance isnt absolutely correct in trade economics
E.g. , a Cham is less useful than Jah or Ber to many people
So it shouldnt really be Cham=4 Ber (?)


 
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Another issue in SP trading is availability. Unlike b.net where there are lotsssss of players and therefore a lot of supply, trading in SP is highly dependant on timing. When people are having a lot of runes, you can get rune breaks easier, but when most people have just spent their runes on say, a runeword, then breaking runes gets harder. Since there's not that many (many, but nowhere comparable to b.net) people on the trade forums, well you get the picture. Also, not many people have Bers, nor 64 Ists sitting around in their stash, so breaking such a high rune is difficult to do in SP. I'd say that most of the time, breaking runes are just available up to 2 levels below.

Edit: and yes, about Cham and Ber. The cubing value is mostly just true for the Pul - Lo (and then, only if the trade is around 2 levels below. Any lower and you'd be better off trying to break it on another trade). Once it gets to Sur and above, trade values are much dependant on the traders. Ber and Jah is considered the most sought after 'high rune' in SP and thus might have the same/more value than a Cham.
 
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Like Colony said, once you use a couple on runewords and a few more on weapons and shields, Ist Runes become useless except as cubing material. For me, anything other than 64 Ists for a Ber is an uneven trade. Of course, I'm not sure why this trade would even take place, since the person who has 64 Ists FT can simply get his own Ber, and the person with the Ber has no real reason to take the Ists.
 
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Hey Lestrangesorc,

I know this topic has been discussed before, but in about 1 week (when I lose my NTPP status and can trade things such as high runes), I'll be requesting to get a rune break on my Sur, and you can watch the thread to see what kind of value is actually being offered. I know it's just one trade and it might take a long time to get any offers, but it should help give you an idea of how long it takes and the kind of offers you'd get.
 
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LestrangeSorc said:
So , if you could make an estimation ,
how many Ists ~ you would say a Ber is worth ?
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I'd probably value a Ber at about 50 Ists. I still wouldn't ever actually trade it for 50 Ists though, simply due to being able to get items that are far more useful for it.



 
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LestrangeSorc said:
So , if you could make an estimation ,
how many Ists ~ you would say a Ber is worth ?
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Approximately 64. :P

I agree that the cubing scale isn't entirely logical, but look at it this way - if you search for a Ber in LK, you might get one every 6-12 months (or better or worse). If you search for an Ist at the countess you could average finding one every week or two...

... so why shouldn't Ber be worth proportionally more?


BNet's value scale is simply broken because of dupes - I wouldn't use that as any basis for reasonable comparison.

"Trade you that 2008 Ferrari for my 1995 Honda Accord - straight up." <--- that's BNet's economy.



 
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