Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

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K, well that supports him being the mafioso and Asrrin being the busdriver. Then again, Asrrin agreed with me, and he never does, so he might've as well been it. ^_^

Sure thing, Autti. I'll refrain from voting for you until then.
 
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Interesting turn of events.

Coju: I asked: Why don't you have anything to say about everyone talking about how you "lol'ed" about two dead townies. Don't be coy.

Gory: Sorry, to ask a question you already answered, for some reason I missed the second part of your post that explained the reasoning for you choosing laarz. Do you have any indication that you are a normal cop? like did you get guaranteed sane or anything? Are you going to investigate someone else early today early on?

I'm not bring "coy. " I honestly didn't know what your Question was.

I lold at their conversation and just went ahead and posted it. For one, jcakes even locking skj just to test his claim.. Crazy... And I thought it was funny that he did. Even skj's posts about his powers I thought was funny.


 
K, well that supports him being the mafioso and Asrrin being the busdriver. Then again, Asrrin agreed with me, and he never does, so he might've as well been it. ^_^

Sure thing, Autti. I'll refrain from voting for you until then.

I find it odd that you would get coroner like results and not get who they were associated with.

Why did you decide to claim today and not wait and see if someone might try to claim bus driver?


 
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As you see, I find most things funny. What I didn't find funny was was I thought 2 townies getting killed last night isnt good. But, then ankeli comes out with that:
I'd just like to notify you that I passed posting during the night on purpose. I didn't want to draw any mafia attention my way, and instead took it as an opportunity to follow the conversation going on. An interesting read.

I'm still inclined to go back to my yesterday's first instincts and vote for Autti. Autti, is there a grand reason why I shouldn't? And I'm not asking for your role or anything like that, I'd like you to point out some posts where you've shown something other than basic mafia telltales and instead benefitted the town.

To make myself more useful, I'll release the information I have now about last night. One of the people, either Solar Ice or Asrrin had the ability to night kill. The other one was a bus driver. I do not know if the night killer was pro- or anti-town, but I'm guessing he was anti-town because it was a permanent ability. And I don't know which one had which.

If I had to guess, I'd say Solar Ice was the mafioso, and Asrrin was the bus driver. Did Solar Ice at any point vote for Autti?

Ask questions if need be, but don't ask me to claim yet.

I would just like for the town to think about for that post: Mafia could get the players roles at night. ankeli could be posting this in thought that this would give town credit, which it very well may, and I think so. I just wanted to post that.


 
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The only logical explanation for my information is that I'm mafia. No one else gets that information, right?
 
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Google Lynley. It wasn't the questioning but the breadcrumbing of my role. Such an awkward phrase deserves investigation. Mafia know I'm not mafia. Mafia are either curious about the phrase or already know because Sathoris is one of them. Either way, I was outed.

Ok, I guess I'm not familiar enough with this Lynley technicque and googling it came up an inspector of mysteries. So basically because Sath was tracking your activity he somehow knew what your role was? I guess I don't understand and if you don't mind explaining that would be really helpful. I'm not sure how revealing at that time really helped unless you felt that you would be targeted since Sath apparently knew who you were.

I'd just like to notify you that I passed posting during the night on purpose. I didn't want to draw any mafia attention my way, and instead took it as an opportunity to follow the conversation going on. An interesting read.

I'm still inclined to go back to my yesterday's first instincts and vote for Autti. Autti, is there a grand reason why I shouldn't? And I'm not asking for your role or anything like that, I'd like you to point out some posts where you've shown something other than basic mafia telltales and instead benefitted the town.

To make myself more useful, I'll release the information I have now about last night. One of the people, either Solar Ice or Asrrin had the ability to night kill. The other one was a bus driver. I do not know if the night killer was pro- or anti-town, but I'm guessing he was anti-town because it was a permanent ability. And I don't know which one had which.

If I had to guess, I'd say Solar Ice was the mafioso, and Asrrin was the bus driver. Did Solar Ice at any point vote for Autti?

Ask questions if need be, but don't ask me to claim yet.

You know, your first line is the exact opposite of what I thought would happen during a night phase. Since mafia always have night talk ability I was expecting that those who did not post during the night phase were more likely to be mafia since they would not want to get involved in a situation that could get them trapt even before the next day phase begun. Obviously people can have different opinions but its definately and interesting take.

On the otherhand your information is definately interesting, why did you chose to come out with this now? I think I have a general understanding of what your role does based on your post so I'm not going to ask anymore about that, but I am interested in your timing.

As you see, I find most things funny. What I didn't find funny was was I thought 2 townies getting killed last night isnt good. But, then ankeli comes out with that:


I would just like for the town to think about for that post: Mafia could get the players roles at night. ankeli could be posting this in thought that this would give town credit, which it very well may, and I think so. I just wanted to post that.

Mafia would normally get the players roles at night right? but would they get both of them? You would think (if set up like a normal game) they would only get the role reveal of the one they targeted, either that or he could be making up one of the two roles which is possible.

Also, I know you like to make random posts, but it was very strange that the very first post after end of day revealing the roles was you laughing at the results. Considering Solar Ice was the only one really persuing you during the night phase and he turned up dead it just makes it all the more interesting. (Unless Ankeli's post has merit and he actually was mafiso, then I'm not sure what to think).


 
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The only logical explanation for my information is that I'm mafia. No one else gets that information, right?

I think its definately possible that you have some sort of power that could be pro-town similar to one used in a different game, but maybe just a different version of it, and I think we need to consider that before pegging you as anti-town right away. Still interested in the timing aspect.


 
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Yes, I can see it as strange. afterward, I thought it would have been best to quote the convo I was specifically laughing it. That would have looked better, yes?

@ankeli of course ;) but seriously, no, I didn't think of a corner getting results. Like I said, that's good information you gave. It is town cred in my book. I know that goes against my post, but I did say it gave town cred.
 
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The timing is something I thought about for a while after I got the information. I don't get the information as I presented it to you, as that's not all I'm about in this game. The rest, including the "format" I get it in, I will keep for myself for now. I might, give or take how this day phase advances, reveal the rest before nightfall to set up some sort of a plan with the rest of you on how to most abuse my roles mechanics. Let's just say that I felt confident enough that I'm around for at least another day to provide more information tomorrow, and figured that it's worth it, since my role sort of relies on others.

I can say that it's a completely new role to me, and I couldn't find it in mafiawiki or anywhere.
 
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The only logical explanation for my information is that I'm mafia. No one else gets that information, right?

Ah....sarcasm.

Yes, I can see it as strange. afterward, I thought it would have been best to quote the convo I was specifically laughing it. That would have looked better, yes?

@ankeli of course ;) but seriously, no, I didn't think of a corner getting results. Like I said, that's good information you gave. It is town cred in my book. I know that goes against my post, but I did say it gave town cred.

That probably would have been a good idea. I also find it odd that it was funny when 2 townies die and yet it's not funny when a townie and a mafia (We assume) die. You still didn't really tell us what you were laughing about, is there a reason you are being so cryptic about answering questions?

The timing is something I thought about for a while after I got the information. I don't get the information as I presented it to you, as that's not all I'm about in this game. The rest, including the "format" I get it in, I will keep for myself for now. I might, give or take how this day phase advances, reveal the rest before nightfall to set up some sort of a plan with the rest of you on how to most abuse my roles mechanics. Let's just say that I felt confident enough that I'm around for at least another day to provide more information tomorrow, and figured that it's worth it, since my role sort of relies on others.

I can say that it's a completely new role to me, and I couldn't find it in mafiawiki or anywhere.

That's good enough for me, thank you. I see no reason to not believe you for the time being. I don't expect mafia would have gotten both results, and while you could have gotten NK results on one and guessed on the other I find it unlikely that you would take your chances on a gambit like that.


 
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The timing is something I thought about for a while after I got the information. I don't get the information as I presented it to you, as that's not all I'm about in this game. The rest, including the "format" I get it in, I will keep for myself for now. I might, give or take how this day phase advances, reveal the rest before nightfall to set up some sort of a plan with the rest of you on how to most abuse my roles mechanics. Let's just say that I felt confident enough that I'm around for at least another day to provide more information tomorrow, and figured that it's worth it, since my role sort of relies on others.

I can say that it's a completely new role to me, and I couldn't find it in mafiawiki or anywhere.

I have come up with a new question, I find it interesting that you found one to be a bus driver and one to have the night kill ability. Shouldn't I expect to see some other form of power roll as well since everyone has a power role in this game. If its set up anything like last game any of the mafia had the ability to perform the night kill but they also had a power role as well. Is that information you're witholding for right now or you didn't get something like that?


 
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That's good enough for me, thank you. I see no reason to not believe you for the time being. I don't expect mafia would have gotten both results, and while you could have gotten NK results on one and guessed on the other I find it unlikely that you would take your chances on a gambit like that.

Ironic that this is coming from the coroner from last game, but it would quite easy for mafia to have the results of both night kills if one of the kills was a mafia member. Theoretically if Ankeli is mafia, he would know who the killed and who his teammates are. Basically could be pulling a similar stunt to FoE last game, claiming info about a mafia member to convince people he is town.

There are several differences between the two cases though - this is much earlier in the game, Ankeli gave both results, and he has set himself up to have to give them every day. Is it worth all of the mafia's privileged kill info to help confirm himself in a a game full of power roles? That is pretty questionable. Basically I am saying is that while he could have this knowledge as a mafia member, it seems very unlikely he actually is.


 
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The sacrificial line of the story could imply cult/mafia or SK. The juju line definitely sounds cult/mafia. The poison aspect doesn't sound like a poisoner - one poisoned N1 shouldn't die N1. It could still be from mafia or SK (or other) but I'm leaning toward SK.

The current dream, if there is any, isn't obvious to me.

To make myself more useful, I'll release the information I have now about last night. One of the people, either Solar Ice or Asrrin had the ability to night kill. The other one was a bus driver. I do not know if the night killer was pro- or anti-town, but I'm guessing he was anti-town because it was a permanent ability. And I don't know which one had which.

Ask questions if need be, but don't ask me to claim yet.
Do you have any alignment info at all (not counting flavor)? Like one pro-town, one anti-town, both anti-town, both pro-town?
How certain are you that the killing role isn't a vigilante or paranoid gun owner type role? Is there a chance the killing role could be pro-town?
Does your role name "fit" with the ability you have?

Oh, Goryani, did you inspect Laarz during last night, or the day phase? One of your comments suggests day.
Day phase.

Do you have any indication that you are a normal cop? like did you get guaranteed sane or anything?
If normal = guilty/innocent as opposed to a role cop or flavor cop, then yes. If normal = sane, then no, I have no indication. No guarantees about sanity. No guarantees about being affected, or not, by a dream. I can guarantee I wasn't roleblocked, for whatever help that gives.

Are you going to investigate someone else early today early on?
Early on? No. I think it best to let the day's events help with the targeting decision. Pro tip: I like to target lurkers.



 
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Ironic that this is coming from the coroner from last game, but it would quite easy for mafia to have the results of both night kills if one of the kills was a mafia member. Theoretically if Ankeli is mafia, he would know who the killed and who his teammates are. Basically could be pulling a similar stunt to FoE last game, claiming info about a mafia member to convince people he is town.

There are several differences between the two cases though - this is much earlier in the game, Ankeli gave both results, and he has set himself up to have to give them every day. Is it worth all of the mafia's privileged kill info to help confirm himself in a a game full of power roles? That is pretty questionable. Basically I am saying is that while he could have this knowledge as a mafia member, it seems very unlikely he actually is.

Those are good points for sure, I had forgotten about how the Mafia claimed a kill made by the Sk last game. Those are some possible theories, I still want to lean towards him not taking that chance early on though.

If normal = guilty/innocent as opposed to a role cop or flavor cop, then yes. If normal = sane, then no, I have no indication. No guarantees about sanity. No guarantees about being affected, or not, by a dream. I can guarantee I wasn't roleblocked, for whatever help that gives.


Early on? No. I think it best to let the day's events help with the targeting decision. Pro tip: I like to target lurkers.

Okay, that's what I expected you would say about your sanity.

That's a reasonable plan, just wanted to know if we should expect a result from you soon or if we should continue on without that expectation.


Awful quiet in here today compared to yesterday.


 
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Allow myself to quote myself: I asked lots of questions of lots of players. I gave lots of opinions.

To expand: My questions let players get a feel for me and for the players I interact with. It provides information and insight for use yesterday and later in the game. Interactions among players progress the game.

I don't think you were lurking. How would you define your behavior if not "pursuing a lynch?"

Setting myself up for more valuable intel to be gathered later on in the game when it's more important. Day one lynches, as much as we need them later on, offer little to nothing at the time. 'Pursuing a lynch' on day one just doesn't sound appropriate for me.

Congratulations! You ignored the most important part of the idea! Why do you think I must vote for someone I think ISN'T mafia in order to say I pursue a lynch?

You vote for the person you do think is mafia, or you do your own stuff. Saying you don't like this or that helps others get a read on you. Which I guess is our major difference in playing style. But let's drop this discussion. For one we've moved to a different stage and two it's not helping anyone to see us squabble.

That much seems apparent. I don't know how you did it, but you seem to know my role. You even breadcrumbed me in front of everyone. What a way to show your townie quality.

I'm a Paladin. Cop.

You see much Goryani, too much. I didn't know you were a cop. I didn't breadcrumb anything, it was just a reflection on you snooping around. Again I wonder why you'd claim like that? You've made so many weird plays this game. What were you trying to accomplish? What do you think I am? Neither town nor mafia me would benefit from me telling you I know you're a cop. Again, you know better..


 
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You see much Goryani, too much. I didn't know you were a cop. I didn't breadcrumb anything, it was just a reflection on you snooping around. Again I wonder why you'd claim like that? You've made so many weird plays this game. What were you trying to accomplish? What do you think I am? Neither town nor mafia me would benefit from me telling you I know you're a cop. Again, you know better..

I've been waiting for Sathoris to either confirm or deny this. I didn't want to try and poke too much, since the role claim had already happened. But even after the claim, and the tip to google Lenly (or whatever that name was), I still couldn't see the breadcrumbs. And it seems I wasn't alone.


 
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