Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

[kronst]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

I've been a member of dii.net for quite a few years now, and a long time reader/fan even before I registered. I used to play diablo a fair bit, and I frequently used dii.net to conduct trades. But with the start of the new ladder, I decided to start playing again with some friends only to notice something..

This site and community has changed entirely. I'm not sure why, but for some reason your trade forums have turned into something that I don't even recognize.

I'd almost say that they're unpostable in now. I'm not making this thread because I was banned or warned for posting a previous thread, but merely observing what I see around me. I'm aware that this isn't my website, and of course I agree to forum rules by using this message board. I understand that there are legit reasons for refusing to host trades of banned items, as dii.net has always discouraged hacking/dupes.

The problem, however, is now upon looking at your trade forums, it isn't uncommon to see page after page after page of locked threads. People are given temp bans for a single bump. And now, in what is quite possibly the most absurd rule I've ever heard of, you're threatened with a perm ban for conducting a trade OUTSIDE of the forum that you posted on because they can't be "monitored". People are being banned/warned..because somebody whispers them in game wanting to bid on one of their offers.

Not because they tried to ask about hacks, not because they tried to trade a duped item..but rather, because they simply want to conduct their business on somewhere other than this site? Furthermore, you're threatened with a ban if your trades are found on another site as well. I can't believe that this is what this site has turned into. While I'm aware that your concern is protecting the members who bid on items here and ensuring that offers aren't scams, it's almost seems as these rules are designed to punish someone who happens to get a better offer from another source.

Some of these rules are even just downright hypocritical, such as the fact that you allow perming/leveling "services" to be "traded", but not the flat out trading of accounts, since that would lead to "scams regarding password recovery" - even though you're still swapping passwords for any of those services which could lead to stolen items at a future date.

I guess things are just funny because..when I posted frequently here there was very little enforcement of the rules, and yet, nobody seemed to have a problem. I mean, sure if you bumped your thread 20 times in a single day you'd be warned/banned, but most people were respectful enough and you didn't see that. Likewise, you also didn't have people being temp banned over a single edit to their post without waiting for 12 hours.. I guess things were just more relaxed, and as such the atmosphere seemed much more enjoyable.

The purpose of my thread wasn't to flame the moderators of the trade forums, as I know that they do dedicate a large portion of their time to keeping things in order and that there are plenty of threads that do need to be moderated. I was just simply making an observation based on how much this site has changed and why I'm hesitant to make a post in the trade forums for fear of violating one of your pages upon pages of new ever changing rules.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

I kinda agree with this. When I joined the boards, I liked the trading grounds. Nowadays I just try to steer clear and do my business elsewhere. The rules are too restricting. They might work for single player, but not for the MP trading forums. They need to be given another look through a not so serious glass.

 

[Evrae Altana]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

Regarding the rule about not trading items elsewhere: you're totally free to trade your items somewhere else. Just don't offer them here at the same time. You have no idea how irritating it is to see a thread containing something you want, post a bid, only to see "sry alrdy sold on jsp lawl" as a reply a few hours later. It clogs up the trade forums with a bunch of useless threads. Repeat this scenario ad nauseum and you can see why they came up with that rule.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

Regarding the rule about not trading items elsewhere: you're totally free to trade your items somewhere else. Just don't offer them here at the same time. You have no idea how irritating it is to see a thread containing something you want, post a bid, only to see "sry alrdy sold on jsp lawl" as a reply a few hours later. It clogs up the trade forums with a bunch of useless threads. Repeat this scenario ad nauseum and you can see why they came up with that rule.

This is true, however if you choose to offer something here you're tied for too long to keep it just here. This is one of the reasons why I don't even bother offering stuff on these forums, I don't want to wait for what's half a decade in diablo's economy until I can retract my offer, if I can do it smoother elsewhere. The .5% or so risk of being scammed is worth it in my books compared to what we have here: safe trades that chain you for too long.

The rules went from loose to nazi, there's got to be a golden road we could follow regarding them.

 

[DjSlayer]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

The rules went from loose to nazi, there's got to be a golden road we could follow regarding them.

If you don't like the rules nobody is forcing you to stay.

1. The no bumping rule has always been, now it's just enforced like it should be. It's annoyance to those who follow the rules when their thread are pushed down by the bumpers.

2. Don't offer the same item elsewhere, this scenario can play out: I needed that item and I am willing to overpay to get it but the geek who offered it here also offered it elsewhere and sold it an hour later elsewhere and both loses out.

3. I doubt I could be a moderator on this forum because I would've slam dunked you a 3 day just because of that fascist comment.

- D.J.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

If you don't like the rules nobody is forcing you to stay.

1. The no bumping rule has always been, now it's just enforced like it should be. It's annoyance to those who follow the rules when their thread are pushed down by the bumpers.

2. Don't offer the same item elsewhere, this scenario can play out: I needed that item and I am willing to overpay to get it but the geek who offered it here also offered it elsewhere and sold it an hour later elsewhere and both loses out.

3. I doubt I could be a moderator on this forum because I would've slam dunked you a 3 day just because of that fascist comment.

- D.J.

No need to get so worked up. I said I don't trade there, so what's your problem? We're merely stating our opinion in a completely civilized manner. And my "fascist comment" was a reference to political idealism, and obviously to be taken with a grain of salt. That's worth a ban!

 

[DjSlayer]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

No need to get so worked up. I said I don't trade there, so what's your problem? We're merely stating our opinion in a completely civilized manner. And my "fascist comment" was a reference to political idealism, and obviously to be taken with a grain of salt. That's worth a ban!

I've got 3 keys one shouldn't push, one of them are fascist slur, it makes me see red. And that where no flame, that where a friendly warning about making such comments.

- D.J.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

I've got 3 keys one shouldn't push, one of them are fascist slur, it makes me see red. And that where no flame, that where a friendly warning about making such comments.

- D.J.

You can't undo history. Live with it. We're derailing OT here. :yes:

 

[krischan]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

We close threads for illegal bumping because it's not allowed to bump and people would have an advantage to those who don't bump. Repeated bumping leads to a temp ban, of course. We warn them and if our warnings are ignored, we issue more substantial warnings. There are ways of legal bumping, even though the original rules say that bumping isn't allowed at all, so I think we are pretty relaxed with respect to that.

Offering items elsewhere at the same time isn't allowed because both the seller and the buyer are at a risk of losing the overview and a few people invent phantom offers on bnet to feign interest of others. It might also happen that somebody gives a deal on an item and sells it elsewhere. Breaking a given word can have severe consequences. BTW, people only get tempbanned for offering items here and elsewhere at the same time. However, too many tempbans will lead to a permanent ban.

BTW, it has been like that a couple of years already (before I became a mod). The bumping rules are even a bit more relaxed than a few months ago. The community has changed, of course, but that's because 5 years have passed since you became a member here

So no, the trading rules are not going to be changed and in particular, rules are not discussed in a public thread. Things are dealt with as we think they should be and most of those who are trading here like it that way as well. Finally, open letters to mods aren't a good idea.

The rules went from loose to nazi, there's got to be a golden road we could follow regarding them.

When addressing people in their position as mods or commenting mod decisions (like the current trading rules), better don't make postings which need a grain of salt. With other words, even if you don't mean it like that, it might be understood as an insult and it doesn't just depend on your intent, but on the impression of your words.

Better don't use terms like "nazi" etc. at all except in a historical context.

 

[Gorny1]

Re: Diabloii.net trade moderators

Krischan pretty much covered this, but I'm going to comment anyway.

1. See the sticky at the top of this forum that says "RE: The Forum Policy and Forum Rules" ? Read it. The forum policy and the rules (both general rules and individual forum rules including trade forums are not open to discussion by members. You are our invited guests, and there is no freedom of speech here. This is not a democracy. (general forum rules 9 and 10 ... read the rules link at the very top of each page).

2. This the Community Forum, and this topic has no place here, for that matter it has no place on any forum. Such is a topic best suited to the assigned mod of the forum it's in, via PM.

3. I'm in total agreement with everything Krischan stated.