Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.

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I blame the slowness of today on it being Saturday. I was out all day looking at Cars with my wife and trying desperately not to throw up at price tags.

I am absolutely exhausted and want to curl into a little ball right now because her and I had a fight over the stupid cars, so I'll post my response to everything tomorrow morning.
 
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Gorny also seems a good candidate for a lynch train due to his claim of having a night action

Care to let me know why you would find someone with a night ability a good candidate for a lynch?

I'm still waiting for a reply to that question Valhauros.

Vote: Valhauros


But you seemed to jump straight on the back of that - My post looking at Feysal gave us a few names to look at that might have triggered his poisoning - but I'm actually happier with the responses here to look at you

Feysal only listed people who theorized about a no mafia kill. Nothing to suggest who poisoned him. Besides, do you think he would have been informed who poisoned him? And if he had been told who did that to him, why wouldn't he have told us who it was? Quite an odd statement you made there Ivan.


 
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Krazeyivan's post #276 is just about the only analysis so far that has given me any hunches about anything today. Not that I find him convincing, oh no. Looks and feels like theory-crafting mafia to me.

Vote: Krazeyivan

Need something to happen today, folks, and lynching TC or K'ivan gives us the most. I'd switch to TC if that's where a lynch lies but Krazeyivan is my preferred candidate. I realise swooping in and voting make me look suspicious but unless the mafia start volunteering themselves for lynching, everything's a punt at present. Time to dive in, people.

Busy day for me today, will look in if/when I can before day end.
 
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I didn't go straight to cult; I simply responded to Noodle's suggestion that it may be a recruitment (indicating cult activity) in post #237. You're the one who took the idea and kept rolling on with it. I feel my reasoning is fairly valid (as nobody has given a reason opposite to it), but seeing as she is not here, there's nothing we can do about it now, it's not worth worrying over.

However, now I'm sensing you're trying to deflect and trying to cause confusion amongst the town.

I'm with CG on this one Ivan. You brought it up repeatedly and tried to discredit with with it. I didn't seee anything wrong with his initial statement.

Wow, slow day.

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Vote: Uraj LOL!
Umm, Uraj is dead? :D So what now, game over?

Unvote: Uraj :p


This is backwards too man. Leo's room was the mess, Laarz's room was pristine. Getting the party started early? :) :wine:

Damn, where was my mind :crazy:

If she's not dead, just sequestered away from the other players, it seems to be practical to me that an investigation would fail, as would any other action except maybe protection, wouldn't it?

Why would that make it fail. Night actions allways go through unless the target is roleblocked or protected. If for instance mafia kills the sk and the sk kills the mafia in one night, both should die. Not the one who shot first.


I am absolutely exhausted and want to curl into a little ball right now

Same here, hangover from hell :(

I'm still waiting for a reply to that question Valhauros.

Vote: Valhauros

Funny how you vote someone for not answering your question while you failed to do so twice.

Vote: Thundercat


 
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Bad Day 1. Terrible Day 2. I predict another no-lynch. Too many non-voters. Too many players are more concerned with laying low (staying alive) than finding scum.

The Day 1 issues and questions and suspicions are completely unresolved yet many players seem to be ignoring Day 1 altogether. Day 2 issues and questions can't be interpreted correctly without Day 1 issue resolution so I have no faith in Day 2 issues leading the town closer to a win.

As sad as this sounds, I'm unable to point to anyone and say they seem town. I'd vote for anyone. If the non-voters decide to vote I'll jump on board. If they don't, then who I vote for doesn't matter.
 
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Sathoris, with Zhao not playing did you decide to take his role? Wake up and smell the roses. I voted for him to make him talk.
Yet, you vote for me because I'm actually doing something? Stop barking up the wrong tree and focus on lynching an actual mafia player.
Unless you're mafia and playing the aggressive townie part. If you're not, drop this attitude and go read my posts and you will hopefully understand what I'm trying to do here.
 
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Sathoris, with Zhao not playing did you decide to take his role? Wake up and smell the roses. I voted for him to make him talk.
Yet, you vote for me because I'm actually doing something? Stop barking up the wrong tree and focus on lynching an actual mafia player.
Unless you're mafia and playing the aggressive townie part. If you're not, drop this attitude and go read my posts and you will hopefully understand what I'm trying to do here.

Oh give me a break, please. What have you been doing? I've read your posts and they stink.

Whenever someone adresses you you don't give a straight answer and bugger off to attack someone else.

You should've been lynched on day one, at least we wouldve gotten some info then. let's not make the same mistake twice.


 
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Very well Sathoris, do as you wish. Bark at the wrong tree until you will regret it. I just ask everyone else not to follow you blindly.
 
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Right I'm out for the rest of the day but so I'm going to have to vote now

Vote: Thundercat

Do I think your top candidate no there are better are we going to get anyone else in the time remaining doubtful.
 
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Bad Day 1. Terrible Day 2. I predict another no-lynch. Too many non-voters. Too many players are more concerned with laying low (staying alive) than finding scum.

The Day 1 issues and questions and suspicions are completely unresolved yet many players seem to be ignoring Day 1 altogether. Day 2 issues and questions can't be interpreted correctly without Day 1 issue resolution so I have no faith in Day 2 issues leading the town closer to a win.

As sad as this sounds, I'm unable to point to anyone and say they seem town. I'd vote for anyone. If the non-voters decide to vote I'll jump on board. If they don't, then who I vote for doesn't matter.


This is all fine and dandy but you dont say anything about anything haha. Is there someone you'd like to see lynched? Or "anyone" will do?

I am torn between TC and KI. I said I was voting for TC yesterday pretty much just because (and I believe in a lynch vs no lynch as well).

We still have some time to discuss. Is anyone else a little put off by mar still? Idk I dont think Leo was a solid investigation target for how the day went and it is just a little...convenient.

Also, I feel like we should maybe take a look at people Feysal was trying to get us to look at (and we basically all ignored him myself included haha). He switched his vote a ton in the last hour of the day, is there any chance he knew who poisoned him and was trying to let us know before finally throwing in the towel and voting for TC?



 
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Is anyone else a little put off by mar still? Idk I dont think Leo was a solid investigation target for how the day went and it is just a little...convenient.

I'm right there with you. As much as I'd like to lynch Mara, I don't think we'll get it today. With the lack of activity we're seeing, along with one vote that isn't likely to be changed, TC seems our best option for a lynch.

Unfortunately, we also said that 'yesterday'. Perhaps we can think of it as Mara getting a second chance to prove himself to us.

Getting this vote down early, so I don't accidentally miss it.

Vote: ThunderCat



 
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I'm not convinced that TC is the best choice but in an effort to ensure at least some info on the game ...

Unvote: Kraveyivan
Vote: ThunderCat


BA is right, the "investigation" of a subsequently missing Leo is a little bit fortuitous. Day 3 should see a more thorough look at Mara and maybe a lynching to confirm.
 
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Bloody hay fluver, can't see straight ..

Unvote: Krazeyivan
Vote: ThunderCat


If necessary.
 
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I didn't post earlier because this game has been more confusing than the last one and since this day phase has been so idle, there wasn't much information flowing around, but the powers of Lasagna Sunday have invigorated my mind and I have a lot to say (or write) so, please, red thoroughly. Having 4 dead and 1 not participating is quite demoralizing (it means a quarter of the player base is already gone). Moreover, after my approach in the previous (and my first) game got me killed sooner than I'd hoped for, I wanted to survive as long as possible. But, it's time to take one for the team, so I'll just straight-out claim:

[Highlight]I'm the City Slicker (Pro-Town). "You have only your wits to help you".[/Highlight]
(I asked Uraj the meaning of that, and he confirmed to me that I was a Vanilla Townie)

[Highlight]Theories regarding murders:[/Highlight]

[Highlight]1)[/Highlight] Either the Serial Killer was role-blocked in the first night (by a goon or townie with that ability), abducted Leo in the second night, and both Feysal (poisoned in N1) and Laarz (strangled in N2) were killed by mafia (which may have different ways of killing, due to a "Retreat" flavor), or...

[Highlight]2)[/Highlight] Gorny swapped the first Mafia target with the SK (which is immune to night kills from what I've read), who in turn poisoned Feysal and abducted Leo, while on the second night, the Mafia successfully landed a killing on Laarz. If so, it's a pity Gorny didn't say who he swapped before suiciding.

[Highlight]3)[/Highlight] Moot Hypotheses: Noodle's theory of Leopold struggling with Laarz, killing him, and fleeing, would be far-fetched. Apart, thinking there might be more than two players with killing powers would be aggravating for the game. Remember, Leo is said to be missing, not kidnapped. Just because a body wasn't found it doesn't mean she's not dead (and she's on the "Players Dead" list).

[Highlight]Analysis about the deceased:[/Highlight]

According to many from both in this game and the previous, if aligned with town, [Highlight]Feysal[/Highlight] would pose the biggest threat to the opposite faction/s, so let's dig into his posts: His first one (#17) attacks directly at Marahumm's practice and in his second (#28) he disagrees again with the aforementioned. Later (#185) he voted for Zarniwoop, but at the end he switched to Thundercat for the sake of lynching. His dead was awkward, it would seem either Uraj forgot to tell him about his restriction, or Feysal forgot to check his private messages. Moving on, Why was [Highlight]Laarz[/Highlight] killed? He made only two posts (#34 and #151). The first one is relatively irrelevant (pointing the lack of usefulness of Marahumm's idea of viewing players' forum profiles), and the second targets Lozhinged about his conclusion. Continuing next with [Highlight]Leopold[/Highlight], she targets first (#38) Marahumm's Profile Reviewing for being impractical, then attacks Loz for jumping into conclusions (#86 and #93) and declares she feels he's scum (#196).

[Highlight]Insight about the suspected:[/Highlight]

Starting with the less scummy of the trio, [Highlight]Zarniwoop[/Highlight] first post (#27) states surprise "that not a single thing happened. At least not a single fatal thing". Perhaps he knew someone in particular had to die, but the action was blocked. Next (#193), he voted for Asrrin because he pointed the importance of lynching the first day, I quote "By pushing a no lynch, you are denying the town information."

[Highlight]Marahumm[/Highlight] opened (#14) with what seemed to be a slip, since he spent his next six posts defending himself. Afterwards (#162), he promised we wouldn't want him dead just yet and then labeled Loz and Zarni as scum (who coincidentally are the other 2 suspects) (#177). Subsequently, he subtly claims his SK role (#181), but since others believed he was a cop, he said Leo was investigated Leopold, but it was unsuccessful since she went missing (#261), where Sathoris pointed he should have gotten a result anyway.

And finally, reeking of scum, [Highlight]LozHinge[/Highlight], started the game with "Someone forgot to die last night" (#6), which now seems obviously a distraction. Later, he slips saying Noodle and Gorny might be in the same team (#12), since the Mafia always knows their members and slips again by implying a connection between him and Leo (#77), which may have been the motive behind her disappearance at the hands of Marahumm. Afterwards he kept poking Gorny about his role claim (#104, #106, #109, #116 and #122) who we know was Pro-Town. When Gorny suicided, he decided to switch to the next most likely lynch and then played fool after Laarz's and Leo's deaths (#236) and at last, voted for Ivan, after he wrote a insightful post (#283)

[Highlight]Final disclaimer and Vote Rally:[/Highlight]

In night one, the Mafia were informed that, in order to keep the flavor of a Retreat environment, the killings would have different settings. They poisoned Feysal, since he was the biggest threat to their faction and the next night strangled Laarz for pointing out to Loz, silently and effectively. Meanwhile, the Serial Killer (Marahumm) either was not able to kill the first night due to mechanics, his action was blocked by the Mafia, or Gorny swapped his target with him, making his attack technically impossible. After the first day transpired, he chose Leopold, since he probably thought killing LozHinge or Zarniwoop (whom he believed to me scum) would have linked the murders to him.

With nothing more left to say, [Highlight]Vote: LozHinge the Unhinged[/Highlight]
 
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Ehm, marahumm didn't claim SK, Val. When he said he spent the last night figuring out whether he was insane meant he investigated himself to see if he'd got a town result (sane) or anti-town result (insane)

Got to run, but hope to be back in time for the day's end.
 
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Val, thanks for posting. I know you've been working long and hard on that post. You started sometime last night, worked some this morning, and now with ~2hours left we see the results.

But as Sathoris pointed out, there are some errors which could have been corrected long ago, which fundamentally alter the conclusions you reach.

Mara's sanity comment is as close to saying "I'm a cop" as one can get. Even more, the comment also tells who the N1 investigation was and also the result. I note that no one, not even yourself, asked Mara about the N1 investigation and result.

Secondly, it's an unwritten rule on these forums that serial killers don't have N1 actions. It's what makes them serial killers instead of mafia.

Lastly, did you just copy and paste your role PM? That's a big no-no.
 
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Valhauros is being mod-killed for violating rule #11; He was a Cityslicker, Pro-Town.
 
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Im here Im here, with a US keyboard where I dont know what works how, and Im reading.
 
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