OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three

Rashiminos said:
You did an excellent job finding the mafia, but since you were the cop, that was the easy part. The harder and more important task was getting skeptical townies to believe you. Your tone wasn't impressing anyone (neither was mine for that matter).
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It's not as easy as it sounds.

Also, I don't think I should be held responsible about people not reading stuff in a game in which success is based on reading, get this in your head at last. Everything was on the table, don't blame me for stuff I can't control.



 
Well... that certainly clears up why I was taken out so quickly. Just a random townie I was, but very busy at the start of the game, and was only reading without comment until folks thought I was inactive...

Hats off to the mafia though... looking forward to the next game :)
 
LORD NIKON said:
It's not as easy as it sounds.

Also, I don't think I should be held responsible about people not reading stuff in a game in which success is based on reading, get this in your head at last. Everything was on the table, don't blame me for stuff I can't control.
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I meant to say it was the easier part, but I had to go before I could edit it. I'm not saying you get all the blame (as far as I can see I get just as much if not more for the confusion I caused). You just fail to realize not everyone finds your writing as clear as you do. In addition to that, some of the people voting to lynch you did not have the time to persistently re-read and analyze your posts to understand what you are saying. Throw in appearing forceful and disrespectful, and the result is tl:dr. You can control what you post and how you organize it. You may have been right, you didn't necessarily appear to be right. You're not alone in that.

OT edit: (looking at the mafia discussion, got curious) What's KoL?


 
It was fun to read our chat again and I even learned a thing or two.
- I should have trusted my instinct and pushed for killing off my #1 cop choice first chance. :tongue:
- Muzzz needs to use reply to all more...found 2 messages I never got. :wink3:
 
Rashiminos said:
You just fail to realize not everyone finds your writing as clear as you do. In addition to that, some of the people voting to lynch you did not have the time to persistently re-read and analyze your posts to understand what you are saying. Throw in appearing forceful and disrespectful, and the result is tl:dr. You can control what you post and how you organize it. You may have been right, you didn't necessarily appear to be right. You're not alone in that.
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Now, I don't mean to come off as a bragger, but it's not my fault my IQ is over 200. Nevertheless I believe I gave enough information to close the game. As for the disrepectful side of the matter, you assume that the poor townies were the only ones that got offended. If I don't appear to be right solely based on my writing style, the fault is not in me.



 
Rules said:
The Crooked Detective may not reveal their identity to anyone, including their fellow mobsters. The mafia may not discuss who should be taken into custody by email or PM... the Detective needs to act alone. There will be only one Crooked Detective.
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I was reading Sint's blog of their night discussions which were pretty interesting. Unfortuately they broke a rule. :sad2:
 
Haven't been playing D2 much recently as I got married and the wife doesn't much like me playing around on the internets. Kinda sucked to be offed so early, but the majority of this game appeared to be a lot of heated random finger pointing. I have to say this game became quite intriguiging at the end.

If there are reveals I'll be in for the next one.

And I was extremely surprised when Muzz came up mafia, because on the last day he could have lynched goltar but passed. Thought for sure he was town after that. Why didn't you lynch?

Oh yeah, I'm sure you'll get this a lot from offed townies but Why Me? :sad2:
 
skoolbus said:
The Crooked Detective - An additional mafia member with a special ability. Once during the night, pm me the name of someone alive. That person will be “taken into custody for questioning†when morning comes, and will be unable to be involved in discussions or voting that day or the following night; also, of course, they cannot be lynched, and they cannot send PMs. They will be released the next morning. Anyone may be arrested—even a fellow mobster. Each player may only be taken into custody once during the game. The Crooked Detective may not reveal their identity to anyone, including their fellow mobsters. The mafia may not discuss who should be taken into custody by email or PM... the Detective needs to act alone. There will be only one crooked detective.
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10chaaaars



 
LORD NIKON said:
Now, I don't mean to come off as a bragger, but it's not my fault my IQ is over 200. Nevertheless I believe I gave enough information to close the game. As for the disrepectful side of the matter, you assume that the poor townies were the only ones that got offended. If I don't appear to be right solely based on my writing style, the fault is not in me.
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You come off as a bragger anyways...

Having read the mafia discussion Sint has posted so far, they probably used the tone of your argument to weaken it. Even without your writing style playing into their hands, you're asking a lot of other posters to change their reading styles so that you don't have to change your writing style. The former is something you can't control, the latter is something you can control. If your IQ is really that high, then apply it differently so your message comes across better. You decided to change one aspect of your playing style from game 2, why not this one?

Your objective was to get people to agree with you and lynch the mafia that you found. You don't do that by continually insisting that your argument is obvious. If the townies don't get it, it's not obvious. You're not the greatest cop because you failed to get the mafia lynched before you got lynched (you would have to be nightkilled instead). The idea is to make your target look bad, or rather look like s/he doesn't have the town's interests in mind.

You didn't blow the game. That distinction techically belongs to skunkbelly, goltar25, and gohabsgo. However, it's evident after my lynching on day 9 that every townie except possibly goltar thought I was mafia and falsely based their reasoning on it. That worked out well for Jaago, who had been (in hindsight) frantically trying to get himself lynched on day 9 (early vote, hopeless defense on my behalf, etc...). The townies didn't go for either goltar or muzzz on the last day since they were so confused. I think I'm more responsible for blowing the game.

I went wrong on about day 5, when I decided to start lynching for lynching's sake. I had been involved in the lynchings of two mafia sure, but the townies hated me for it. Having my votes swing on both sides of whether I believed Nikon was cop or not probably didn't help my case...

Other problems: People thought I implicitly fakeclaimed witness...
People thought I was the cop, or had cop-like information, even after I denied being the cop...
I also denied being a mason and I denied being the doctor...
If I had been the vigilante, Lister the Doc would have been taken out...
I didn't back up my early arguments well enough, so the mafia dismissed me as twisting the words too much (when it was really not enough...)


 
On reading his posts, it is rather obvious that Nikon was both implying he was the cop (more like hitting people over the head with it), and that he was trying very very hard to make people dislike him. Still doing the latter it seems.
 
Rash vs Nikon = OT : SPF KinderGarden Game Round One

Enough guys? Who cares about who did what now? As far as I'm concerned, none of you (neither did any other townie) won the game. Plus, it's much easier to point fingers now that everything is done and revealed.

Can we focus on what need to be changed for next time so it's more of a strategic battle instead of a wild accusations fest?

My suggestions;

1- Player role revealed upon death (doesn't have to be the role, maybe just the status : townie or mafia)
2- Post limit for every player during day time (3 or 5?)
 
Rash, I too thought you were mafia, and based my reasoning on it. However, my reasoning did at least pick out the remaining mafia member. Had I paid more attention to things, I might have pushed to lynch muzzz on the next to last day. But I missed that muzzz didn't vote for you until Jaago pointed it out.

As to why muzzz didn't bandwagon me. My best guess is that it would have helped confirm suspicions, and since he was the CD, he only had to make sure he wasn't lynched. By laying low, he kept suspicion from GoHabs and skunkbelly off of him long enough for the day to end. Had he made the third vote too early, he might have raised too much suspicion.
 
No no no, it's the townies' responsibility to read the given information.

As for lynching for lynching's sake - it's kinda obvious that it's bad now, eh?

GoHabsGo said:
Enough guys? Who cares about who did what now? As far as I'm concerned, none of you (neither did any other townie) won the game. Plus, it's much easier to point fingers now that everything is done and revealed.

My suggestions;

1- Player role revealed upon death (doesn't have to be the role, maybe just the status : townie or mafia)
2- Post limit for every player during day time (3 or 5?)
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Yeah, except I was right back then when it mattered.

As far as suggestions go - I don't think we should reveal roles or limit number of posts per person.



 
No more blaming anyone. If you're not Jaago, you could have played better and it's your own fault you didn't do so well, no one elses. Also, it was very apparent to me that the mafia was discussing who they would detain, and I decided that it was fine, so don't hold that against them. I doubt it would have made any difference if they didn't discuss it.
 
GoHabsGo said:
Rash vs Nikon = OT : SPF KinderGarden Game Round One

Enough guys? Who cares about who did what now? As far as I'm concerned, none of you (neither did any other townie) won the game. Plus, it's much easier to point fingers now that everything is done and revealed.

Can we focus on what need to be changed for next time so it's more of a strategic battle instead of a wild accusations fest?

My suggestions;

1- Player role revealed upon death (doesn't have to be the role, maybe just the status : townie or mafia)
2- Post limit for every player during day time (3 or 5?)
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gohabsgo, I'm going to reserve my assessment of your play until I can get it independently verified that its vitriolic qualities have been removed. You just didn't help at all (I was hoping village idiot would be the explanation). I agree for revealing player roles, mainly that the town needs to know they were wrong every once in a while. Its too easy for the mafia to hide from normal townies when lynched players can be argued on both sides of mafia/town (It's also why you've been increasing the townie/mafia ratio, the townies make a lot more mistakes when lynching blind). I'm sure Sint can explain how role-reveal isn't the overpoweredly big help some people seem to think it is.

But post restrictions? NO..., that would only make the game more like what you don't want GoHabsgo, a wild accusations fest, only each post is a concatenation of accusations instead of being spread out. It cuts off the response part of the discourse. Might as well throw out the regular townies and do all actions at night, no day.


 
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