LORD NIKON
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Based on the presented evidence so far:
Unvote Moar
Vote Jaedhann
Unvote Moar
Vote Jaedhann
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OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three
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Sint Nikolaas
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Sint: Or until a new idiot steps up?
Impossible, I can't see anyone new ''stepping up''. I know the VI is suppose to get himself lynched, but if someone now makes strange moves or something to imply he is mafia so we could lynch him, then the mafia can (hopefully) pick up on that too and just murder him at night.
Did that make sence? It did in my mind..
The way Jaedhann is acting it almost seems like he wants to get lynched. He's not trying to defend himself, he's not posting much, and he's bandwagoning. I think that the last thing we want to do is lynch him. If anything, to me this seems more like what the VI should be acting like than what Rev was doing.
Rashiminos
New member
Well, here's an unofficial vote count, and I think the problems occur when a) people don't put some good whitespace around their vote (i.e. w_m), or b) when people don't clearly unvote: XXXXX.
RK: 7
Rashiminos: 3
Jaedhann: 7
No-Lynch: 1
Not Voting: 3
RK: 7
Rashiminos: 3
Jaedhann: 7
No-Lynch: 1
Not Voting: 3
Rashiminos
New member
If the above is off, it's because of reason B.
jrlafrance
New member
Attention Townies: This is a game where we try to figure out who the Mafia members are. If we don't know, but don't vote anyone out, then the Mafia is just going to pick up off one by one, while we sit and type, and basically pick our noses. We have to make mistakes in the voting the first couple of days, the odds tell us that. Everyone's indecision is normal at this stage of the game. IMO, Rash is talking a good game (but still suspicious in my mind). The things I've seen from Sint are intelligent. RK, I'm still not completely convinced that you are not Mafia. Not heard much from Jae, and maybe I've skipped his posts, but why all the suspicion on him? After seeing the voting all across the board the first day (except for RK), today we have 3 people with votes. What circumstances have changed to make all those people votes change?
I have this as who has voted for who, if it's not correct, please post here correcting me. Don't pm me, post so everyone knows because we're going by who's actually voted for who, not my poor counting skills.
Vote Tally
RevenantsKnight (7)
Jaedhann (7)
Rashiminos (3)
It takes 11 votes to lynch. This day will end when I wake up tomorrow, ~9 hours from now.
Code:
[U]Forum Name Voted For [/U]
xductster no one
RevenantsKnight Jaedhann
Sir Lister of Smeg RevenantsKnight
jrlafrance RevenantsKnight
Jaago Jaedhann
LORD NIKON Jaedhann
Jaedhann RevenantsKnight
Moar hasn’t voted
muzzz RevenantsKnight
Rashiminos Jaedhann
Sint Nikolaas no one
TouchOfInsanity RevenantsKnight
Cygnus Jaedhann
Thyiad Rashiminos
skunkbelly RevenantsKnight
SiTro Jaedhann
GoHabsGo Rashiminos
goltar25 RevenantsKnight
Brak Jaedhann
water_moon RashiminosVote Tally
RevenantsKnight (7)
Jaedhann (7)
Rashiminos (3)
It takes 11 votes to lynch. This day will end when I wake up tomorrow, ~9 hours from now.
Sint Nikolaas
New member
Okay this may sound totally lame and/or mafia-ish, but I'm for lynching someone. I voted / unvoted for Rev, who is IMO more townie(non-VI) then not nor am I really convinced Jae is mafia. However I think one of them needs to go. That is ofcourse unless someone else can give a good reason not to vote or to vote for someone else.
I am hopping the wagon and will vote along. That means that currently I can't vote because it's even :tongue: however consider my vote given to either one.
I will repeat what I said before, even if it means taking out a townie to simplify the game and to get hint on to where the mafia is hiding, I will do it. I also think that the mafia is lying low. I don't think they saw the strategy last game and thought ''oh we must reverse it now not to become suspicious''. I think some of us are quite talkative (for good reason) and that the mafia is making use of this. Maybe a post here and there not to fall completely of the scale, but lying low.
Anyway.. that conclusion made me inch a bit towards Jae, however I will keep my vote up for grabs.
I am hopping the wagon and will vote along. That means that currently I can't vote because it's even :tongue: however consider my vote given to either one.
I will repeat what I said before, even if it means taking out a townie to simplify the game and to get hint on to where the mafia is hiding, I will do it. I also think that the mafia is lying low. I don't think they saw the strategy last game and thought ''oh we must reverse it now not to become suspicious''. I think some of us are quite talkative (for good reason) and that the mafia is making use of this. Maybe a post here and there not to fall completely of the scale, but lying low.
Anyway.. that conclusion made me inch a bit towards Jae, however I will keep my vote up for grabs.
Impossible, I can't see anyone new ''stepping up''. I know the VI is suppose to get himself lynched, but if someone now makes strange moves or something to imply he is mafia so we could lynch him, then the mafia can (hopefully) pick up on that too and just murder him at night.
Did that make sence? It did in my mind..
I think it makes sense. You're saying that with a competent mafia, the VI basically has one chance at making a play for being lynched. If that fails then there's a good chance they've made their role known and the mafia will take them out that night.
We need to try and lynch someone today if at all possible. When we choose to lynch, we at least have a positive chance of taking out a mafia member, something that can't be said of the mafia murders.
I also think that the mafia is lying low. I don't think they saw the strategy last game and thought ''oh we must reverse it now not to become suspicious''. I think some of us are quite talkative (for good reason) and that the mafia is making use of this. Maybe a post here and there not to fall completely of the scale, but lying low.
The problem is, we can never be sure. The personality of players affects the way they play (or how much they talk), were they mafia or not.
Rashiminos
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No-lynching is just a bad idea as it moves the the lynch-kills:mafia/night-kills ratio in the wrong direction. We can learn just as much if not more information when making a lynch, and it narrows down the suspect list for the information roles just the same.
I'm going to make several scenarios with the following assumptions: the cop dies before being able to clearly reveal his/her findings, the doctor fails his/her saves, the vigilante will not resist the temptation to strike someone down and will hit a townie by accident, the masons will be marginalized by a kill on one of them, the witness will get lynched, and the VI will get nightkilled...
Scenario 1: Yesterday we had 22 alive players, supposing we had lynched one, then having mafia and vigilante kill different townie players, we could have had 19 players today, which can have 2 subtracted from it (lynch-kill and mafia-kill) until it reaches 9 players, whereby if we had failed to kill a mafia up to that point, would be the last chance to lynch one. With 7 players and 3 mafia, the crooked detective would most likely imprison a townie, and force a no-lynch or lynch a townie. The mafia players would then equal the non mafia, and the town loses. This scenario would have had 7 lynch attempts if no mafia are lynched.
Scenario 2: Today we have 21 players, supposing akin to scenario 1 that we wind up at 18 tomorrow, then pair off kills until 8, which would be the last chance. Also seven lynch attempts in this scenario.
Scenario 3: Suppose we no-lynch today, and have 2 night-kills tonight, leaving us with 19 players tomorrow. We pair off kills until 9, which would be the last chance. There would only be SIX lynch attempts in this scenario.
Let's remember that trading lynches (where we might get a mafia) for mafia-kills (where they just choose which townies to butcher), does not help the town win the game. For the sake of simplicity I had the vigilante kill come up as soon as possible in each scenario. This is not an endorsement that the vigilante should play that way.
I'm going to make several scenarios with the following assumptions: the cop dies before being able to clearly reveal his/her findings, the doctor fails his/her saves, the vigilante will not resist the temptation to strike someone down and will hit a townie by accident, the masons will be marginalized by a kill on one of them, the witness will get lynched, and the VI will get nightkilled...
Scenario 1: Yesterday we had 22 alive players, supposing we had lynched one, then having mafia and vigilante kill different townie players, we could have had 19 players today, which can have 2 subtracted from it (lynch-kill and mafia-kill) until it reaches 9 players, whereby if we had failed to kill a mafia up to that point, would be the last chance to lynch one. With 7 players and 3 mafia, the crooked detective would most likely imprison a townie, and force a no-lynch or lynch a townie. The mafia players would then equal the non mafia, and the town loses. This scenario would have had 7 lynch attempts if no mafia are lynched.
Scenario 2: Today we have 21 players, supposing akin to scenario 1 that we wind up at 18 tomorrow, then pair off kills until 8, which would be the last chance. Also seven lynch attempts in this scenario.
Scenario 3: Suppose we no-lynch today, and have 2 night-kills tonight, leaving us with 19 players tomorrow. We pair off kills until 9, which would be the last chance. There would only be SIX lynch attempts in this scenario.
Let's remember that trading lynches (where we might get a mafia) for mafia-kills (where they just choose which townies to butcher), does not help the town win the game. For the sake of simplicity I had the vigilante kill come up as soon as possible in each scenario. This is not an endorsement that the vigilante should play that way.
Rashiminos
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3 hours to vote.
I've got work today, so I won't be here for the deadline.
I've got work today, so I won't be here for the deadline.
Sint Nikolaas
New member
Okay seeing as how I'm off to my family again and will probably not post within the next 3 hours (which are daytime left?) I'll just vote for Jae. There's been a general movement in his way and his lack of posting does seem suspicious. However it might also be a good way to cover up if he's the VI.
I don't find enough evidence to say he's mafia, however I'll vote anyway explained above.
Vote Jae
I don't find enough evidence to say he's mafia, however I'll vote anyway explained above.
Vote Jae
Sir Lister of Smeg
New member
I agree with Jaedhan's behaviour being suspicious. However, I have to ask what's more likely, him being a mafioso, or a subtle village idiot? I don't think either of those is more likely than the other, but it might be best not to lynch him yet, and see what the mafia does to him tonight.
I also find Thyiad's pure vote quite suspicious, pure in the sense of not a word of explanation. Again that could point to either role, just as it does for Jaedhan.
Who else is suspicious? Just about everyone. There are a few who've said that it's vital to lynch someone, even if it's a townie, yet they started a `lynch train' for Jaedhan while RevenantsKnight was already close to getting enough votes. They might do this either because they really think RevenantsKnight is not mafia or because they are protecting their fellow mafioso.
So, my list of suspicious people, excluding Drixx (dead), myself (I know I'm neither mafioso nor village idiot), and CDRToast (he can explain himself when (if) he's released), suspicion here is either towards being mafia or being village idiot. This list was made of the top of my head, I need to check the least suspicious group to see whether anyone of those did not ring a bell at some point, and I simply did not remember that they rang a bell. It might well be that some might move up into a more suspicious group, that also goes for the medium suspicious group. The list is not in order of supiciousness, just three groups, each in alphabetical order:
Most suspicious:
Jaago
Jaedhann
muzzz
RevenantsKnight (definitely not village idiot)
Rashiminos
Thyiad
Medium suspicious:
Brak
GoHabsGo
goltar25
LORD NIKON
Moar
Sint Nikolaas
skunkbelly
TouchOfInsanity
Least suspicious:
Cygnus
jrlafrance
SiTro
water_moon
xductster
I also find Thyiad's pure vote quite suspicious, pure in the sense of not a word of explanation. Again that could point to either role, just as it does for Jaedhan.
Who else is suspicious? Just about everyone. There are a few who've said that it's vital to lynch someone, even if it's a townie, yet they started a `lynch train' for Jaedhan while RevenantsKnight was already close to getting enough votes. They might do this either because they really think RevenantsKnight is not mafia or because they are protecting their fellow mafioso.
So, my list of suspicious people, excluding Drixx (dead), myself (I know I'm neither mafioso nor village idiot), and CDRToast (he can explain himself when (if) he's released), suspicion here is either towards being mafia or being village idiot. This list was made of the top of my head, I need to check the least suspicious group to see whether anyone of those did not ring a bell at some point, and I simply did not remember that they rang a bell. It might well be that some might move up into a more suspicious group, that also goes for the medium suspicious group. The list is not in order of supiciousness, just three groups, each in alphabetical order:
Most suspicious:
Jaago
Jaedhann
muzzz
RevenantsKnight (definitely not village idiot)
Rashiminos
Thyiad
Medium suspicious:
Brak
GoHabsGo
goltar25
LORD NIKON
Moar
Sint Nikolaas
skunkbelly
TouchOfInsanity
Least suspicious:
Cygnus
jrlafrance
SiTro
water_moon
xductster
I've just got back from my weekend trip and just skimmed through the thread. There are some interesting thoughts I'd like to comment on, but that has to wait for a little while longer.
It looks like the band wagoon is now on Jaed, that suits me fine. I'm in favour of lynching someone (just not me please) and not giving the mafia another free kill. I'm not 100% convinced Jaed is mafia, but would say he could very well be.
Vote: Jaedhann
It looks like the band wagoon is now on Jaed, that suits me fine. I'm in favour of lynching someone (just not me please) and not giving the mafia another free kill. I'm not 100% convinced Jaed is mafia, but would say he could very well be.
Vote: Jaedhann
Just in time Moar, welcome back. It would seem Jaedhann has 11 votes, this means that once again, Salem will gather around it's center. Once again, everyone gathers firewood around the giant stake. They tie Jaedhann securely to the post. Without looking back, one of you throws a torch onto the pile of kindling. As everyone leaves, a careful observer would notice the peculiar absense of one member of the town...
Jaedhann was lynched. This begins Night Three. I need pm's from everyone who needs to.
Jaedhann was lynched. This begins Night Three. I need pm's from everyone who needs to.
All the employees arrived at the teddy bear factory this morning to find quite a bit of commotion. No one was allowed in, but police said there had been an "accident" involving one of the workers. No one believed this for a minute as the factory was a well known mob front. It seems Jrlafrance was tied onto the conveyor going into the the gizmo that stuffs all the teddy bears. Needless to say, he didn't come out the other end all cute and cuddly.
Jrlafrance was murdered. No one is being detained today. This begins day three. With 19 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.
Alive (19)
xduckster
Sir Lister of Smeg
Jaago
LORD NIKON
RevenantsKnight
Moar
muzzz
Rashiminos
Sint Nikolaas
TouchOfInsanity
Cygnus
Thyiad
skunkbelly
SiTro
GoHabsGo
goltar25
Brak
water_moon
CDRToast
Dead (3)
Drixx (car accident)
Jaedhann (burned at the stake)
Jrlafrance (teddy bear accident)
In Prison (0)
No One
Jrlafrance was murdered. No one is being detained today. This begins day three. With 19 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.
Alive (19)
xduckster
Sir Lister of Smeg
Jaago
LORD NIKON
RevenantsKnight
Moar
muzzz
Rashiminos
Sint Nikolaas
TouchOfInsanity
Cygnus
Thyiad
skunkbelly
SiTro
GoHabsGo
goltar25
Brak
water_moon
CDRToast
Dead (3)
Drixx (car accident)
Jaedhann (burned at the stake)
Jrlafrance (teddy bear accident)
In Prison (0)
No One
First of all, an apology for not posting the past two days. I overestimated the amount of time I would have available. But you seem to have done fine (as far as things can be fine in this town) without me :grin:
No one being detained today? Statistically speaking, it's pretty unlikely that we got lucky and lynched the crooked cop.
No one being detained today? Statistically speaking, it's pretty unlikely that we got lucky and lynched the crooked cop.
