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Aerwynd

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Opinions on a Frenzy Build

Hey all!!!

I would like to give thanks to Ash for producing a very well written Frenzy Guide.

He mention three types of Builds - Iron, Singer, and Max Dmg.

I wanted to find a way to incorporate all three. Good Def, Solid Support War Cries, and a great deal of dmg. I tried to follow Ash's Guide, but each build left out a skill that I wanted... So I decided to map out a character using Ash's Guide, and looking at the skils in game. This is what I've come up with.

Please comment and post changes you would make to better suit the build.

Without further adieu...

Aerwynd said:
SKILLS
20 Frenzy (Duh)
20 Axe Mastery (Obvious)
20 BO (Any Lower would be Suicide)
10 War Cry (Stun and Dmg)
20 Taunt (Synergy to Frenzy AND War Cry)
1 Battle Command (1pt Wonder - Will gain Length with BO/Shout)
10 Shout
5 PreReqs

With these skills, finished at Lvl 94, although you could cut Taunt, and be finished at Lvl 74, with an additional 20 pts to allocate to other skills (Nat Res, Inc Speed, etc)... But I don't think this would be as effective...

***Maybe cut 5 from Taunt, and add 1 in Iron Skin, 1 Nat Res, 1 Inc Stam, 1 Inc Speed...(I don't like my Skills to be other than multiples of 5, so the other 1 could go towards a PreReq for Beserk? Speaking of which, Beserk adds Magic Dmg to Frenzy... Take the 9 from Shout, and Get Beserk up to 10 to add 10% Magic Dmg to Frenzy???? Suggestions Plz!!!

STATS
STR - NO MORE THAN 88 Base Pts (Will explain)
DEX - NO MORE THAN 24 Base Pts (Will explain)
VIT - Everything Else
ENE - Base

With the following equipment, it will grant +50 (taking the minimum on mods for unique equip; with better mods, +more) to STR... That plus Base 88= 138 (Max needed for this build with this equip)(138)

With the following equip, it will grant +35 to Dex (taking minimum on equip; better mods = No Stat pts added to base)... That plus Base of 24 covers the max needed for this build (59).

That leaves A LOT of stat pts for VIT... Good for any build...

EQUIPMENT
The Cat's Eye --> +25 Dex, IAS (Replaces HighLord's for now)
Carrion Wind --> Added Psn Res, 10% to Mana (Mana Burn), LL ***Ash recommended a Rare Ring with AR and ML... I'm thinking You could make up some Dex and/or STR here too, if possible
Raven Frost --> Dex +15-20, AR Bonus, Cannot Be Frozen, Cold Absorb
Verdungo's Hearty Cord --> DR, Boost to Vitality
Dracul's Grasp --> Life tap, +STR, Open Wounds, LL
Gore Rider --> OW, DS, CB, Faster R/W
Duriel's Shell (Until Chains of Honor, need a Ber) --> Res ALL, +STR, +Life
Arreat's Face --> +Skills, +STR/DEX, Res ALL, AR Bonus, LL
Death Cleaver --> IAS, DS
Crescent Moon --> Static, IAS, OW, -%LRes on Enemies, Ignore Target Defense

With END GAME equip:
Res ALL --> 95% (LRes 130%, PsnRes 150%) ***Make Res up with charms?
24% LL, 11 Life and 2 Mana Per Kill
Rep Life 17%
118% Deadly Strike ***Capped at 100% right?
15% Crushing Blow
60% Open Wounds
DMG Reduced by 18%
10% DMG to Mana ***Ash said this is kind of pointless, getting a ring that has ML will do; I thought of this as just an added bonus, not a reason I picked the equipment specifically for it.

Resists are a little low for Hell (175 is needed for max in Hell, right???)
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So, this is kinda short, but Ash recommended I get the build idea out here in the forums and receive input from active players.

I'd appreciate all the comments/changes I can get.

***Bolded Items with 3 Stars are additional comments I have added after talking with Ash about the build.

Also, if this is a viable build, I would like to name it... But I want to receive input before I do.

Thx in advance,
Aerwynd
 
With 30 from Anya and 50 from Natural Resist you will have enough res in Hell.

I would use Laying of Hands instead of Dracul's and String of Ears instead of Verdungo's. I would also use Goblin Toe instead of Gore Rider and Highlord's instead of Cat's Eye. Higher CB and DS that way, not to mention Light Res and 1 to skills.

On-weapon DS is only for that weapon, so you wouldn't have 118% unless DC hit. Yes, it's capped. Everything else is capped at 95%, so this might be too also at 95% instead of 100%. Anyway, the difference between 95% and 100% is not noticeable.

With 15% PDR belt, you'd have 23% PDR total.

Use a rare ring, or even a Manald. Or use Wilhelm's belt, although that's a crappier alternative.

Torch and Anni? Your avatar says Single Player. Are you using a mod?

Definitely get Iron Skin and Increase Speed.

Putting more than 1 point in Berserk is pointless. You're gonna switch to it to kill PIs anyway. I wouldn't put any points in War Cry and put them in Shout instead. 1 in Battle Cry for lowered damage and defense.
 
It's very easy to have base dex, and even less, but usually not much, strength and still use the right equipment. Don't even put one point into War Cry because Howling away monsters is waaaaay better. One point in Beserk is fine. Fort over COH by far. Your weapons are horrible. Actually this build is not good at all. You didn't think of anything new, let alone constitute naming your own build. You must have never built a good barb, or done a Chaos Trist run to even mention gear like Death Cleaver and Crescent Moon.
 
I think that if the monsters are stunned by warcry, defense wouldn't be as important anyways. Which is why those builds were made seperate in the first place.
 
Clay bizzle said:
It's very easy to have base dex, and even less, but usually not much, strength and still use the right equipment. Don't even put one point into War Cry because Howling away monsters is waaaaay better. One point in Beserk is fine. Fort over COH by far. Your weapons are horrible. Actually this build is not good at all. You didn't think of anything new, let alone constitute naming your own build. You must have never built a good barb, or done a Chaos Trist run to even mention gear like Death Cleaver and Crescent Moon.
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@Aerwynd: you should have posted your question in SP Forum or state that this is SP build (I suppose so?), because this is the type of question you could expect.

Now 2 Els from me:
As other said splitting the points between WarCry and Shout will be no good. When you are using WarCry, everything is stunned and your Shout is unused; when you don't use WarCry, then the points in warcry are wasted. It's like if you spent 20 skill points in berserk and WW, you will find that you use one of the skills much more than the other...
I would suggest to go a WarCry route, because it's safer and you don't have a high-defence armor that would make Shout worth it. The killing itself is a little bit longer because you have to renew the stun every three seconds...

Skill points in Berserk don't add the magic damage, they convert part of your final frenzy physical damage to magic, which isn't much good imho because it lowers your leeching capabilities...

And basically I agree with everything k/t said about gear selection.
 
I didn't say anything about his axes because he seemed to have his heart set out on them. Beast + Death is what you want. Or Beast and BOTD. Death shoots Glacial Spike 25% of the time and on attack, not on striking, so that will help a Frenzy Barb even more. Except it's Ladder Only.
 
IMHO, don't pump berserk, because 1-20% of your frenzy damage becomes magic doesn't sound like it's worth the extra points..
 
k/t said:
I didn't say anything about his axes because he seemed to have his heart set out on them. Beast + Death is what you want. Or Beast and BOTD. Death shoots Glacial Spike 25% of the time and on attack, not on striking, so that will help a Frenzy Barb even more. Except it's Ladder Only.
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One Prob --> Lack of EXTREME wealth :D

Yes, you are correct, the only GOOD Barb I've made is the IK Barb (Just Pat'd a few days ago...

I play 1.11 RRM/RWM, and I don't have Anni or a Torch (I don't MP)...

I will reconstruct, cutting Shout as longer War Cry (6 sec Stun) is better than half that...

What about Taunt? I'm thinking of cutting that in half for more versatility...

Taunt to 10, so I can put pts in 1 Inc Speed/Stamina, 1 Iron Skin, and 1 Nat Res, and let the +Skills bump these up further...

Keep in mind, all figures were figured from the WORST mods on each equipment choice... So Verdungo's, I only counted 10% (I actually have a 14% Verdungo's, so total I would have 22% PDR)...

Will be on the lookout for a Rare ring w/ filling mods...

Thx for the input guys, keep it coming!!!

Aerwynd...
 
If your going Catseye for the frw, why spend points in stamina and speed?
If your going Catseye for the dex, just get an anni or a torch
If your going Catseye for the defence, what u gonna do about obtaining deadly strike?

Its just tooo generic an ammy for a frenzy barb. What i mean by that is, its just not "finely tuned" as well as hi-lords, even though i wish for a few extra's on hi-lords, like +2 skills lol and some LL.

Dont spend points in stamina and frw. Why? cause once you start killing, you run fast enough.
Oh, and btw, i use enigma for my frenzy barb. ...and i rarely use my gg godly 215% archon fort, it just sits in chest all the time

Nig gives 45% frw, 8%DR, more to life than fort, STACKS of strength, and also of important, the +2 to skills. I find frenzy THE hardest build of ANY character to build "right", and is a class that requires a little bit of each skill tree.

It requirers points spent in:

Masteries: Weapon mastery|Iron Skin|Nat Resist|
Warcries: BO|Shout|BC|Taunt
Combat: Frenzy|D Swing|Berserk

Not many chars require this dispersment of points placement, and + all/barb skills gives good boost across the board.

Yes fort has higher damage, but after playing frenzy barb for 2 years now...

The following list is what i find the most important for a sucessful frenzier, in decending order.

Uber High Attack Rating
Uber High Attack Speed
High Crushing Blow
High Physical Damage
High Deadly strike
Mid Life and Mana leach
Mid Resistances
Low Damage Reduction (25% is enough)


He also benefits REALLY REALLY well if you can, in decending order:

Lower enemies defence rating
Lower enemies physical resists
Lower enemies attack rating
Lower enemies damage


Items that give these attributes are:

Arreats|ebotdz|edeatz|CoH|Gores|Dracs|LWz|Beastz|Hi-lords|Ravens/Angelics|
LayingofHands|Verdungos|AR/Lifer GC's| Anni|Torch|StringofEars|40/15 jwl|


Auras/Curses that benefit a frenzier:

Decrepify|Amplify Damage|Life Tap|Fanaticism|Might|Conviction|Concentration


Anymore questions? just ask...

And BTW, there is no "NEW" frenzy build. Not unless new items/auras/curses come out. I find this class similar to an old V8 engine, that constantly needs tweaking to balance all the vulunerabilities he unfortunatley posseses.. and dangers he faces.
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Very nice input... And appreciated GREATLY...

I have most of the equip that you stated in your post.

It's just the weapons... I'm not Rune Rich, so anything requiring > Ist (I only have 2 of them) is really out of the question.

As Ash put it, Crescent Moon is a "Baby Stormlash" - Wasn't that how you put it Ash? And the most important thing, I CAN afford it :jig:

I agree, Death Cleaver could be replaced, but I can't afford eBotDz; if I could, damn right I would use it!!!

Beast Doesn't really appeal to me... The only thing that is somewhat attractive to me is the Fan Aura...

So weap selection is really the problem here...
Yes Skill pt allocation will change...
Does this look better?

20 Frenzy
20 Axe Mastery
20 BO
20 War Cry
1 Shout
1 BC
1 Iron Skin
1 Nat Res
1 Battle Cry
10 Taunt
10 DSwing

Hrus said:
Guys, you don't still get it :rolleyes:
Aerwynd is going to build LEGIT Single-player character. So don't talk about runewords including Vex and higher, Anni and Torch.
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Thx Hrus --> If needed (Sorry for misplacing the Thread), you can move this if you want to... I thought the Barb thread was the right place... Should have put it in SP

FOR ALL --> I play SP 1.11 RRM/RWM
 
Hey All...

Just wanted to announce that I plan on doing a restart to go self found...

I still plan on making this frenzy barb...

I have to make a MF char first to get wealth up a bit, but my second char (as long as I DO NOT find the IKSC) will be this Frenzy Barb...

Please continue to make contributions to this thread...

Aerwynd...
 
Spending 20 points on Warcry seems a waste to me, when u could be increasing your damage for frenzy by spending on other synergies, ie maxing taunt and double swing.
Warcry stuns enemies, which, while still nice, aint necessary, since you can use cold damage to slow enemies.
As long as you swings keep connecting, via high attack rating/lower enemy defence rating, you just wont die, with life leach and/or life tap.
Im not sure, but will Warcry overwrite lifetap? someone here know?
 
Spankeh said:
Spending 20 points on Warcry seems a waste to me, when u could be increasing your damage for frenzy by spending on other synergies, ie maxing taunt and double swing.
Warcry stuns enemies, which, while still nice, aint necessary, since you can use cold damage to slow enemies.
As long as you swings keep connecting, via high attack rating/lower enemy defence rating, you just wont die, with life leach and/or life tap.
Im not sure, but will Warcry overwrite lifetap? someone here know?
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So more along the lines of:

20 Frenzy
20 Axe Mastery
20 BO
1 Shout
1 BC
1 Iron Skin
1 Nat Res
1 Battle Cry
20 Taunt
20 DSwing
 
Thats pretty much perfect.

Remember, that those skill points creates a very aggressive frenzier, and will give virtually no defence at all for pvp.

Short answer:
PVP: youll get owned
PVM: youll own

Because frenzier requires lots of points in so many different trees, its virtually impossible to max all prerequists, so a few will reach 17-18 points, like masteries, or ds or taunt.
Thats ok, it just depends how far to lvl99 you want to go..

GG Have fun.. :thumbsup:
 
Spankeh said:
Thats pretty much perfect.

Remember, that those skill points creates a very aggressive frenzier, and will give virtually no defence at all for pvp.

Short answer:
PVP: youll get owned
PVM: youll own

Because frenzier requires lots of points in so many different trees, its virtually impossible to max all prerequists, so a few will reach 17-18 points, like masteries, or ds or taunt.
Thats ok, it just depends how far to lvl99 you want to go..

GG Have fun.. :thumbsup:
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Yeah, I don't plan on PvPing anyway :D I don't like dying :D

Thx a bunch for the advice... I guess you could say that I don't like seeing low def on my chars :hide:

It's just bothersome...

BUT --> I'm going to give it a whirl... I like the aggressive melee types too... Since my restart, I now have a lvl 16 Meteorb... Yeah, the skills aren't there yet, but I'm using Frost Nova and then Meleeing monsters to death...

But anyway, Grunge the Frenzier WILL RETURN!!! (Grunge was my IK Barb, but I figured it suits the Frenzier better!!!)

Thx again Spankeh!!!

*EDIT --> You don't have a guide yet Spankeh???*
 
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