New to PVP Amazon :: Need Advice.

MalVeauX

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New to PVP Amazon :: Need Advice.

Heya gents,

I'm new to PVP with amazons in terms of 1.10+. I used to use them long ago, when Imbuing superior gothic bows and hoping for a 100~120 damage bow with leech was one of the best things that could happen to you, where 300 damage guided arrows were enough to kill your opponent. I also PVPed with a jabber back then, with a rare lance with -40% requirements and high dodges, poking Whirlwinders dead with high critical striking jabs that were crazy fast. Now of course, none of that works. And those damage levels are level 9 type damages at this point.

Anyhow, looking over a lot of information and a lot of requirements to PVP (public duels), I've decided to go the route of a Hybrid Amazon. I'm not a wealthy gamer, so my resources are limited, but I can afford at the moment to build a low quality Amazon.

I'm thinking of going for Poison Javalines combined with Guided Arrow. I've read a few guides, but each time, I'm left without a sense of what experience would tell us on how it works. Because each time I go into a fun PVP battle with someone for kicks, I find myself dieing too easily. I find max blocking working awesome, and then a single strike goes through and the character drops dead in a single blow (even with 2k life). So I know I'm in over my head in terms of the major PVP people who are running Faith bows with Forts combined with Dream, for example.

Anyhow, on my humble budget, here's what I'm thinking:

Helm - 3osCirclet with either 45IAS, or a +3jav skiller cirlcet socketed with 30IAS. Otherwise, my Dream bone visage? Other options?

Amulet - Cats Eye, or a +3 jav skiller with life mod possibly.
Ring - Raven Frost; Rare with overall good mods, possibly a crafted blood.

Armor - Lion Heart (cheap), Treachery (possibility for pre-buff?), Other options? (Cannot afford bramble).

Weapon1 - Titan's.
Weapon2 - Bow on Switch for Guided; Lycander's Aim? Something low req with just enough damage to deliver the killing blow so to speak; but it needs to be kind of fast too. I thought about up'ing a Skystrike, or Razorhook even, but if Lycander's is even better without upping it, I may just use it. Other options? (I cannot afford Faith).

Shield - StormShield, Um'ed (though I don't have it; I'd like to try to trade for one).
Question :: Would an Ist or 2xIst buy a Storm Shield on USEast Ladder?

Belt - Crafted caster belt; or a String of Ears. Possibly a Dungo. Not quite sure yet. Depends on overall strength of build. Comments?

Boots - Rares; going to gamble a while. Possibly crafted bloods, or crafted safty boots.

Gloves - Crafted hit-power gloves; going for 20IAS and skills for jav.

Skills:

20 Poison Jav
20 Plague Jav
20 Guided
12 Dodge
8 Avoid
12 Evade
1 in all other passives (except penetrate/pierce)
14+ Critical Strike (for guided)

From what I've read, it basically boils down to just keeping someone poisoned, then spam them with Guided when it's appropriate. The problem is, putting it to action. If someone chugs a antidote or drinks a Red, the poison is useless. If they have full DR and max block, the guided won't do much. All the while, I'm faily vulnerable. So while I read that this works totally well, I don't see it working myself. In a public pvp game, I really don't see the damage happening, simply because a little poition can instantly fix whatever damage I cause, versus I'm dead in one hit on the other hand typically since they will have thousands of damage coming my way.

Comments?
Please don't link to the Guides, I read them, I'm looking for experience now, not just build lists. I'm looking for application advise more than anything here.

Cheers!
 
What about going in poison-lightfury build. More safe finish-off attack (fury is fast, accurate and you are with shield). You do also 3 types of damage, huge poison, lighting and physical (from eth upped titans it realy hurts) , also have ability to cta on switch
 
CupOfTea said:
What about going in poison-lightfury build. More safe finish-off attack (fury is fast, accurate and you are with shield). You do also 3 types of damage, huge poison, lighting and physical (from eth upped titans it realy hurts) , also have ability to cta on switch

Sounds good too. I considered it (and read the guide). It's just I kind of liked the idea of the Bow. Anyhow, it's probably better to focus on the Java instead of going bow anyways. Less efficiency loss since I'm on humble gear (speaking of which, I have zero access to Call to Arms).

Sort of Mana intensive to do all though, isn't it?

Cheers!
 
MalVeauX said:
Shield - StormShield, Um'ed (though I don't have it; I'd like to try to trade for one).
Question :: Would an Ist or 2xIst buy a Storm Shield on USEast Ladder?

You should easily be able to pick up a stormshield for ist on east ladder - that's the high end of what they go for now.
 
You should read some kind of guy named "Ace" guide to poison amazon. This is best guide I have seen for amazon. Search google for that
 
Hey guys,

Thanks for the tips. I actually just threw an Ist away for a StormShield with an Um already in it. I have more Ists, so it's not big deal really.

Anyhow I took the amazon (currently lvl 68) on a few pubby PVP runs with some other close levels. I have to say, Plague Jav really shines compared to Poison Jav in terms of delivering the damage. I had no problem having someone chace me through my clouds of Plague. It worked great dropping health too. Went head to head with a Zealot pally and he couldn't get me. The poison drained him about 30 damage per second or so, and his health kept bottoming out combined with my lighting fury hits.

So I have hopes for the character. I know I'll never be able to tango with a crazy fire ball sorc, dysnch hammerdin (or smiter for that matter) nor a dysynch BvC barb, but for random fun PvP it seems to be pretty viable.

Having the Storm Shield and String together (unless I can trade a Shako or get a really nice Circlet), I should have all the D.R. I need without going for the perfect 50, 45~49 suits me fine. That basically doubles my life, so I'm enjoying the lesser damage. Anyhow, now I need to focus on getting that poison damage higher and higher.

-- Does trang gloves truly make the poison go up higher than a +2 skill or higher glove with IAS? I think +skills tend to go higher don't they?

-- Aside from words like Bramble, which I cannot afford due to Ohm, should I look into really getting the skills high or should I focus more on simply surviving longer?

Cheers!
 
Mal, just a few words here. Trang gloves and facets > +skills. The damage with a 5-5 pfacet storm shield, 5-5 pfacet shako, 50% bramble, trang gloves and other noteworthy (though not actualy noted) equipment tends to get absolutely insane.

On east ladder high runes go for ist+pul-um (last I saw).

Just a quick run through of damage
Shako +2 skills 5/-5 facet
Bramble 50%
Magic javs +6 skills
Trang gloves 25%
arachs +1 skills
Spirit monarch +2 skills
maras +2 skills
2xsoj +2 skills
9x jav gcs +9 skills
Torch +3 skills
Anni +1 skills

87268-87574 over 21.8 (rounded to 22) seconds before +% poison damage
87421 (average) + 80% = 157358 over 22 seconds
157358 / 22 = 7153 damage per second
7153 / 6 = 1192 damage
1192 / 4 (75% poison res) = 298 damage per second for 22 seconds.
22 / 4 (deaths gloves) = 5.5

So, given deaths gloves and 75% poison res a stacked plague jav does 298 damage a second for 5.5 seconds. Each jav you toss does 1639 damage.
 
inanefedaykin said:
Mal, just a few words here. Trang gloves and facets > +skills. The damage with a 5-5 pfacet storm shield, 5-5 pfacet shako, 50% bramble, trang gloves and other noteworthy (though not actualy noted) equipment tends to get absolutely insane.

On east ladder high runes go for ist+pul-um (last I saw).

Just a quick run through of damage
Shako +2 skills 5/-5 facet
Bramble 50%
Magic javs +6 skills
Trang gloves 25%
arachs +1 skills
Spirit monarch +2 skills
maras +2 skills
2xsoj +2 skills
9x jav gcs +9 skills
Torch +3 skills
Anni +1 skills

87268-87574 over 21.8 (rounded to 22) seconds before +% poison damage
87421 (average) + 80% = 157358 over 22 seconds
157358 / 22 = 7153 damage per second
7153 / 6 = 1192 damage
1192 / 4 (75% poison res) = 298 damage per second for 22 seconds.
22 / 4 (deaths gloves) = 5.5

So, given deaths gloves and 75% poison res a stacked plague jav does 298 damage a second for 5.5 seconds. Each jav you toss does 1639 damage.

Hey man,

Thanks for the notes :)

I reason I posed the question about Trangs, is because I probably won't play with Bramble and all that. While I see the character pumped with skills and damage, I see a pubby fight where a potter (even a antidote user) is going to just make it null. Also, this setup doesn't give me much in terms of survival for my own character.

I'm trying to find a way to build a viable character who can deal damage and take damage all the same. If it doesn't matter either way, and it's the dodges that do the real survival, then so be it--I can always rebuild her of course. But all it takes is a single hit anyways to die half the time. Right now, I'm focusing on getting my life high, so I have boosting items and charms to wear my gear, allowing more vitality.

Anyhow - thanks again! Things to think about :)

Cheers!
 
MalVeauX said:
Skills:

20 Poison Jav
20 Plague Jav
20 Guided
12 Dodge
8 Avoid
12 Evade
1 in all other passives (except penetrate/pierce)
14+ Critical Strike (for guided)

12 Dodge? 8 Avoid? 12 Evade?
When I built my Amazon and put 6 to each everybody was saying that I put too much. Isn't 1 skillpoint to each enough?
 
Heya,

Yea, more than 1 point is sometimes a waste in PvM, but in PVP every % counts. So I want my dodges near 50%, not 40%. There's a big difference there when it comes to avoiding thousands of damage from the opponent. At levels 12/8/12 (I think that's right?), they're all near 50% or higher, so that's where I take it to.

Cheers!
 
You should not stick with only plague javelin , it has casting delay
Against teleportings chars (even fbers) , charging hammerdins use poison javelins , spammed in all directions.. You will be surprised how fast they will get poisoned. Then they go with fury on you, you put plague javelin in him
 
CupOfTea said:
You should not stick with only plague javelin , it has casting delay
Against teleportings chars (even fbers) , charging hammerdins use poison javelins , spammed in all directions.. You will be surprised how fast they will get poisoned. Then they go with fury on you, you put plague javelin in him

Heya,

I didn't mention it, but that's what I did with people who were too fast. Poison Jav was great also to deter them from areas that I didn't want them to run (it worked while running from assassins too).

I did plague them in the face if they caught me though.

Anyhow - rebuilding I think; I'm not fond of some of the skills/gear at the moment for some fights. I also don't like my stat placement now that I realise how easy it is to pre-buff strength in order to wear heavier things like the storm shield without going too much on the strength. So I'll redo her with roughly the same idea, but some different stat placement and gear.

Cheers!
 
Yea, just take care about str bug, you have to take your body with one mouse click. Use enigma instead bramble, imo its best armor overall
 
Yea,

I won't be using either actually. The only thing I'm planning on saving points in order to use elseware is for the Storm Shield. The 156 requirement is silly since it also grants 30 strength on it's own. So I can plan down 30 strength elseware, such as a simple circlet for pre-strength then throw on the shield and drop the circlet. I'll have inventory space when I fetch my body. I just don't want to have to spend the extra 30 strength points when it's not neccessary :)

All my other gear has low requirements for the most part.

Right now, trying to figure out which would be the better route:

45% IAS helm + Cruel Hydra with 40% IAS

or

Dream Helm + RipHook (heh) or lesser Cruel Elite

Cheers!
 
The CoA. It has better mods anyway.

My guide answers quite a lot of these questions. I saw it's stickied now.
 
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