new patch picture analysis thread

 
Puffen said:
As seen on the second picture the diablo monster is casting armageddon which means it's Dclone since i dont recall Diablo using that spell..

There are no corpses on the dclone pictures either, but that could have been because the players went to town for a while and therefore the corpses vanished.

What really strikes me as odd though is that cain's cage is gone. Shouldnt it be there even after you completed the quest?

The place that Lillith is at, arent there places like that with a burning star in mausoleum, crypt, forgotten tower and catacombs?
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lol i was just going to post about the armageddon....there are no druids fighting and you are right it is a clone skill...i never noticed the absence of cains cage...that is interesting
 
Wow i just got back from a vacation and a new patch!! cool!!
ok now back to the pics.
i've had about 10 min to brainstorm about those pics and i came up with a few ideas.
the corpse explosion. i think it probably is from the death sentry, but one question, don't barb's grim ward also do that? maybe blizzard beefed up grim ward (which makes sense cuz blizz likes to do that to skills no1 uses, like blessed hammer :thumbsup: ) maybe it's got new effects that actually makes it worth a skill point and the IK barb wanted to use it. but again, death sentry is much more likely.

and lilith. i remember reading D1 manuals in my cousin's house. it had a huge section that went on about the history of sanctuary. i remember there were more lesser evils other than andariel and duriel who banished the 3 bros into the real world. and i think there was another lesser evil that had a feminen name other than andy, that might be lilith. will some1 look up the D1 manual and prove/disprove it?

the green diablo. people seem to be overlooking these because the lilith pics are so interesting. but i have questions about the trist pics too. do you think the diablo-ish thing is naturally green, or it is poisoned. also, it seems to be using armageddon, like DC. maybe its a different version of DC? maybe like minime diablo, yeah i watched austin powers in the hotel i stayed in. maybe diablo's soulstone somehow didn't get 100% destryoed and it came back. and retreated back to trist where it had first started.

lilith's location. if it is either catacombs or the tower cellar, it is definitely the tower cellar. the dead evil rogue thing is blue and the black rogues in catacombes are black (duh), while those in tower cellar (dark hunters or something) are blue like the one lying dead in one of the pics. and the pic where barb is alone shows a very small "doorway" room and that does not exist in the catacombs/jail/barracks. only in the tower cellar and mausoleum and the other one in blood raven's graveyard. and the succubus, i remember reading in D2X manual (yes, i actually read those) it says under succubus that they were handmaidens of andariel and baal took some or something like that. lilith is just like andariel, so why not?

also in one of the lilith pics, there seems to be fanaticism aura. and the pally is apprantly using salvation. maybe its zon's bow (is it faith? that one runeword). if it is from the runeword bow, that means the pic is either ladder or laddder will get reset. i'd say it means ladder reset (if that bow is the runeword bow that gives fanaticism) cuz i think its pointless to test a game on ladder, i mean, there will only be like 10 people playing...

those were some ideas/questions i coud think on the top of my head. i will continue to look at the pics and report any significant things i see.
 
Corpsemourn (black colored armor)
Ornate Plate
Level 5 Corpse Explosion (40 Charges)

:lol:


P.S.
That barb is wearing a black armor? ;)
 
This might be obvious, but the picture where the barb is going solo (lilith-ss7.jpg) is in 800x600, while the rest are in 640x480.

@Rice_Farmer3: The last two lesser evils are named Azmodan and Belial and are both male. There have been no mention of a Lilith in the Diablo background story as far as I can remember.
 
Rice_Farmer3 said:
and lilith. i remember reading D1 manuals in my cousin's house. it had a huge section that went on about the history of sanctuary. i remember there were more lesser evils other than andariel and duriel who banished the 3 bros into the real world. and i think there was another lesser evil that had a feminen name other than andy, that might be lilith. will some1 look up the D1 manual and prove/disprove it?

the green diablo. people seem to be overlooking these because the lilith pics are so interesting. but i have questions about the trist pics too. do you think the diablo-ish thing is naturally green, or it is poisoned. also, it seems to be using armageddon, like DC. maybe its a different version of DC? maybe like minime diablo, yeah i watched austin powers in the hotel i stayed in. maybe diablo's soulstone somehow didn't get 100% destryoed and it came back. and retreated back to trist where it had first started.

also in one of the lilith pics, there seems to be fanaticism aura. and the pally is apprantly using salvation. maybe its zon's bow (is it faith? that one runeword). if it is from the runeword bow, that means the pic is either ladder or laddder will get reset. i'd say it means ladder reset (if that bow is the runeword bow that gives fanaticism) cuz i think its pointless to test a game on ladder, i mean, there will only be like 10 people playing...

those were some ideas/questions i coud think on the top of my head. i will continue to look at the pics and report any significant things i see.
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No, no Lilith in Diablo lore yet.
The barb is wearing full IK which has poison damage.
Faith would be an odds choice for an FA zon. But then, there's a picture with the assassin shwoing conc, and several with salvation. Maybe the pally is just switching auras. There's also pride which gives the conc aura, and beast gives fanat.
 
Deepain said:
Corpsemourn (black colored armor)
Ornate Plate
Level 5 Corpse Explosion (40 Charges)

:lol:


P.S.
That barb is wearing a black armor? ;)
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Why can't people take a hint... the exploded corpses are almost definately from Death Sentry. There is a sin, zon, and barb. I highly doubt it would be the barb's Grim Ward ability since there are pictures of Light Sentry/Death Sentry traps in the picture clear as day. Also, the items mentioned that have CE charges are also not a possibility if you use some common sense. Bonehew is a big axe, do you see an axe? No. Corpsemourn is black armor, yes. However, do you see that big yellow glow around the barb? Guess what that means... THE BARB IS WEARING THE FULL IK SET! That means it can't possibly be using Bonehew or Corpsemourn.

Do you people even read the rest of the thread before posting?
 
maybe we can take this one pic at a time
starting with this
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/screenshots/111-ss01.shtml
in tristram...no evidence of cain's cage

we see a diablo...most likely a clone...he is poisoned? casting armageddon it also appears that there is a red lightning hose coming from him
his life at the "i"
what is with the red glow around the feet of diablo?

2 act11 mercs one with a might aura one with salvation..this must come from the paladin but he is using fire resist? can someone confirm the aura that the pally is using?
the zon also has a salvation aura...the zon is using a gmb
it appears that the barb has might aura...it looks like an ik barb he has a glow on
 
Diablo 1 and the Sin War had a tonne of lore behind them, but I'll testify that the three diablo books (Legacy of Blood, The Black Road and The Kingdom of the Shadow) do not refer to this new Lilith. I generate some dungeons and write down the entire lore of the Sin War (I have a legit level 50 bard with perfect gear/stats...that took forever...)...the only thing that I am thinking of is that Belial and Asmodean were lesser evils whom took over hell...perhaps one of their wives?

Anyways, back onto the pictures; I noticed that poison nova...and another thing that rather worried me. Blood Star in Diablo 1 rather owned...the one the monsters casted was toned down, but when you cast it it would take 12% life and a tonne of mana, and would do an instant 1/3rd (sorta like static field, except that sort of thing was pretty unheard of in Diablo 1). Imagine how much it would suck if those bloodstars were instant 1/3rds? You'd spend a fortune and inventory full of pots every minute.
 
Deepain said:
Corpsemourn (black colored armor)
Ornate Plate
Level 5 Corpse Explosion (40 Charges)

:lol:


P.S.
That barb is wearing a black armor? ;)
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The black armor has to be IK, since the barb has the aura for the full IK set. Also, you can clearly see lightning traps laid down by the assasin in more than one picture. You can see the black burned looking sticks left behind by used up traps as well. In fact they are basically covering the screen in lilith-ss01 through ss03, which means that the fight has been going on for a decent amount of time. It also supports the idea that the pics are in reverse order, since the number of used traps decreases if you follow the pics through in order.

A strange thing to me is that other than in ss07, the barb always has full health and mana, and never appears poisoned. A poisoned merc is visible in ss06, and the poison nova visible in ss01 has the rounded shape that Andy's nova does, plus you can see it being cast from Lilith's hand. This shows at least some similarity between Andy and Lilith other than appearance-wise. Back to the barb- ss02 is taken immediately after he has cast a warcry (Battle Command based on the icon) yet he has full mana. Shouldn't the 11 mana that BC costs be visible considering the low mana an IK barb would have? He obviously wouldn't have mana regen equip on (possibly SOJs though), and has not had time to attack and leech yet. I suppose he could have drank a full rejuv immediately before each screenshot, but that wouldn't explain why he isn't poisoned...

I can't remember myself, but do the succubi appear orange as the one in ss05 does anywhere else in the game? If so, what version is orange? If not, it supports the theory that Lilith summons them as a new type of that monster that is her personal buddy. Personally, I don't subscribe to the summoning theory because if she was going to summon there would be more than one of them, and these characters don't seem to be outputting enough damage to have killed all the others. And if they had then why is that one succubi alive for 2 different screenshots when it is obvious that they were taken a few moments apart (the assasin has moved almost all the way across the screen)?

I'll post this now because its taken long enough to type that others have probably already said all of this by now. I'll keep looking and check out the D pics.
 
superdave said:
maybe we can take this one pic at a time
starting with this
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/screenshots/111-ss01.shtml
in tristram...no evidence of cain's cage

we see a diablo...most likely a clone...he is poisoned? casting armageddon it also appears that there is a red lightning hose coming from him
his life at the "i"
what is with the red glow around the feet of diablo?

2 act11 mercs one with a might aura one with salvation..this must come from the paladin but he is using fire resist? can someone confirm the aura that the pally is using?
the zon also has a salvation aura...the zon is using a gmb
it appears that the barb has might aura...it looks like an ik barb he has a glow on
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He is poisoned, I'll guess that one of the mercs has psn on a weapon since they are currently hitting it.

It is probably not your standard Diablo as was already pointed out because it does seem to be casting Armageddon with no druid in sight.

The red "glow" is actually blood on the ground. One of the merc's probably has Open Wounds on it and have been wailing on him for quite some time. In dueling games with chars like WW sins around, you see alot of blood covering the ground on account of Open Wounds. The sheer amount of blood on the ground though in one place seem to imply the this Diablo doesn't move around much, if at all.
 
This is OT but i dont know where to put it and i think you want your share of it anyway:

"I really can't comment on a patch that is not released as to what it will include aside from what has already been shown through screenshots.

Synergies I don't believe were intended for players to spend points on early on necessarily, but instead make skills once almost unused, useful again. Or at least something you would consider putting points in if not just for the synergy bonus.

Your other issues are aimed at bugs or general inbalances, unfortunately those will always exist in some form. Again, I can't say what specifically is being fixed, implemented, etc. so we will all just have to wait to see how it pans out."

Meaning skills have changed.. Lol i know this is to expect and really obvious but i had to post it ;P
 
Phyrexial said:
He is poisoned, I'll guess that one of the mercs has psn on a weapon since they are currently hitting it.

It is probably not your standard Diablo as was already pointed out because it does seem to be casting Armageddon with no druid in sight.

The red "glow" is actually blood on the ground. One of the merc's probably has Open Wounds on it and have been wailing on him for quite some time. In dueling games with chars like WW sins around, you see alot of blood covering the ground on account of Open Wounds. The sheer amount of blood on the ground though in one place seem to imply the this Diablo doesn't move around much, if at all.
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i am almost positive that it is not blood...take a look at pic 2 here http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/screenshots/111-ss02.shtml
for another look at the "red glow"

edit..actually the red on the left side of the barb looks like spilled blood but to the right of him it is mixed in with his aura and looks strange

another edit...i also noticed the cold attack on the demon(his butt)...zon using fa?
 
On to the D pics...


In 111-ss03 you can see balls of fire with no tail. They also seem to be flying out in a regular, circular pattern. This means that they are coming from Volcano as opposed to Armageddon, which D Clone does not have. In fact, in looking closer I can see the mound of rock raised by Volcano right under D's feet. I was ready to say that they have either changed D Clone or created a new version, but why would it be under D if he had cast it? Let the speculation on weapons with charges of volcano or god knows what else start flying.

Again, the pics are obviously in reverse order. Interestingly, they switch perspective from the barb to the zon between pics ss03 and 04. While I'm talking about 04, can anyone find the assasin? I see no evidence of her or her traps in this pic. The only other thing of interest I see is in ss02: to the right of D and the chars are 2 tiny balls of white light. One of them appears to be exploding, and both seem raised off the ground. Closer inspection shows what appears to be a light radius around each, similar to the druid spirits. That could be due to them exploding, but the real question to me is what the hell are they? I'm open to suggestions... and I did notice the weird skeleton thing between them but it seems like part of the landscape to me.
 
superdave said:
i am almost positive that it is not blood...take a look at pic 2 here http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/screenshots/111-ss02.shtml
for another look at the "red glow"

edit..actually the red on the left side of the barb looks like spilled blood but to the right of him it is mixed in with his aura and looks strange

another edit...i also noticed the cold attack on the demon(his butt)...zon using fa?
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It is blood, parts of it are just being covered by the barb's aura which make it look like a red aura inbetween the yellow spikes of the barb's aura.
 
Okay, I looked again and I can't see that skull and bones skelton looking thing in any other pics, so it can't be landscape. Also, a fire nova has just passed that and the balls of light by, which would explain one of them exploding. If that is the reason for the explosion then that points to the balls as belonging to one of the characters. Any ideas on this?


The "red glow" is definitely blood.
 
hmm..volano/armaggedon?...where are the druids to help us out?
i can't see the raised volcano at his feet

there are only 3 chars taking on the diablo demon...a zon, ik barb and a non hammer pally...there is no sin

i noticed the two bright white things in pic 2...no explanation...is that a skull between them maybe?
 
superdave said:
hmm..volano/armaggedon?...where are the druids to help us out?
i can't see the raised volcano at his feet

there are only 3 chars taking on the diablo demon...a zon, ik barb and a non hammer pally...there is no sin

i noticed the two bright white things in pic 2...no explanation...is that a skull between them maybe?
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Check http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/screenshots/111-ss05.shtml this pic for evidence of the assasin. You can see her on the bottom of the screen to the left of the pally, and her traps/the lightning from them is rather noticeable.

http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/screenshots/111-ss03.shtml This pic shows the volcano at his feet- on the left side of the barb you can see the red/yellow vein that runs down the side of a volcano mound, and the mound itself is visible on either side of him.
 
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