New Ladder?

[theelitewarrior]

New Ladder?

I have noticed many people talking about the new ladder and how it resets in August is this true? If not how many months before it does.

Also I have picked up a SoJ and I want to fetch a Naga with it so I can make a bvb baba. What type of damage and mods can I expect for SoJ.

For the people who say use 100% Mf for hell andy, I found SoJ with 410% Mf which I know is stupid but I forgot take some mf off. But hey I was glad I didn't.

:grin:

Cheers,

 

[Zodijackyl]

Blizzard will tell us when the time has come for a ladder reset... it's not going to be soon though.

Threads on this generally are closed by Dacar.

Congrats on the SOJ find too. 11 this lad for me

 

[Dacar92]

I had closed this thread because I am tired of speculation about ladder resets. But it is unfair to leave it closed because the OP did ask another question.

I will leave open as long as the speculation doesn't get out of hand. There is no need to speculate on something we know nothing about. I hope you guys are right with the August guess. Let's wait and see...

 

[The Butcher]

Also I have picked up a SoJ and I want to fetch a Naga with it so I can make a bvb baba. What type of damage and mods can I expect for SoJ.

For the people who say use 100% Mf for hell andy, I found SoJ with 410% Mf which I know is stupid but I forgot take some mf off. But hey I was glad I didn't.

:grin:

Cheers,[/QUOTE]

If you are playing USwest n/l you'll get 120-129 dmg naga for your soj

 

[theelitewarrior]

Sorry I didn't know there had been so much ladder speculation, and am sorry If I irritated a few people with my question.

As for the SoJ for Naga deal I play USWest Ladder, please tell infrom me on what I can expect..

 

[Fearlessone]

Listen up u young whippersnappers.....

I've been away for a bit. We are 10 months into this ladder. It started on or about August 8th 2005. If I remember right, the 1.11 patch preceded the reset by about a week, August 1st.

Look at the history of ladder resets. Diablo2 came out around June 2000, about a month after the beta test. The first ladder I think ended near the end of the year. That was the era of lvl 99's Russbarb and Gerbarb. It was also the heyday of patches 1.01 to 1.03. Sometime around December lances became available, enhanced dmg was added to bows, and the world changed. I believe this was 1.04 and might have been reset time also. I wasnt online at this time, just reading things here on the forums. I know there was a reset a few days after I came onto bnet, my memory is the reset was June 28th 2001. (This may have been the same moment 1.09 came out.) This was on or about the offical release date of LoD too, after a beta the month before. 1.08 came into being at the time of this beta. (Went backwards a bit there, sorry)

LoD was broken (and still is) in many ways and the peeps at Blizzard at that time couldnt hit the side of a barn with a shotgun from the middle of the barnyard when it came to figuring out how to scale experience of higher levels as they approached lvl 99. People got into the 90's with almost no effort and there were so many 99's appearing each day that it was hard to even find one's own accomplishment(?) on the ladder listing. So Blizzard had to do another reset around October 1st 2001.

But this didn't quite happen to classic. The highest chars at this time were in the low 90's. Something very strange happened, perhaps only to the classic ladder. The classic ladder was reset. There was a race by some of the same ppl who were on the previous ladder, but mostly, it was a big *yawn*. Many of the big shots became disillusioned, they thrive on competition and no one seemed interested in the ladder. They gave up on the game. The classic ladder had reset too early!!!! Then about six weeks later, and this is where it gets really weird, the current and previous classic ladders were COMBINED. If I remember correctly, the older characters just stayed on the ladder and sank. (what happened on the LoD ladder then, I don't know or care). And older players who had continued playing after Oct 1st got their experience updated and moved ahead of the former leaders who had made new chars to compete on the new ladder. I told u it was ultra weird.

During this very long ladder, Blizzard felt compelled to start talk about the infamous patch 1.10(hype and promises keep peeps playing the game), it was supposed to be a 'big' one. But they had little manpower, had to do alot of testing, probably weren't sure how to do it, in short it took a long time. Ladder resets happen at the time of patches, it adds to the excitement of this event. Blizzard kept promising a patch in a few months. Finally it arrived, along with the reset, on the black day, Oct. 28, 2003, leaving classic half ruined.

In July of 2004 the ladder was reset again. It was thought in May 2005 that it would reset again, perhaps in late May with school out. But it didnt reset till August 8th 2005.

Now some people are saying, that we are in the last ladder of diablo2. The new game is coming out and who cares? Ladders have been over 2 years, so this won't be any different, just forever. Rumors.

This is the reason for the ladder reset rumors. Tis the season, between now and August.

 

[norvi11erogers]

All sorts of lies.[/b]

Your post is completely inaccurate. The ladder didn't exist until 1.09 or 1.10. The entire Gerbarb and Rusbarb thing had to do with the near impossibility of making it to lvl 99 in those days. A team of people played each so that the barb was continuously leveling. There was no season at this point. When the expac came out, only characters started there (not xferred classic chars) could be on the ladder.

I'd point out other things, but I don't see much of a point. No one knows when the new ladder will be, and the reason the thread was left open was to allow the original poster to get information on what kind of naga he could expect, not to allow for speculation on the new ladder. While I don't see exactly why all of these posts should be shut down (perhaps consolidating into a stickied post for everyone to speculate in would do better), it's clear why half the posts in every forum should not be allowed to be about the new ladder.

 

[Gorny1]

Just a friendly note:

If you are looking for any sort of ladder info, there is a thread all about it stuck in Community, also linked to in my sig.

 

[Zodijackyl]

Fearlessone, that is entirely inaccurate and half of it doesn't even make sense.

 

[Fearlessone]

Young Whippersnappers taken out to the Tool Shed

Your post is completely inaccurate. The ladder didn't exist until 1.09 or 1.10.

Separate ladder realms didn't exist until 1.10. Before that there was a ladder, u know, the buttons in the chat room on bnet that say "LADDER". The ladder most definitely existed, a thousand people were on them, and they most definitely were reset from time to time.

The ladders, like the rest of this game, were sometimes bugged. Once, on the LoD realm a whole bunch of chars with nearly the same name slipped into one ladder ranking. Whether these were bots or the ladder was hacked, I never did hear. And then there was the "ultra weird" ladder in the fall of 2001 on classic, just after LoD came out.

I've never been misquoted before, and ur insertion of a supposed quote from me "all sorts of lies " is NOT in my post above. If you weren't playing this game before 1.10, weren't on bnet, weren't coming to this forum and reading up on stuff, then u guys will likely find all this very foreign...

 

[norvi11erogers]

Separate ladder realms didn't exist until 1.10. Before that there was a ladder, u know, the buttons in the chat room on bnet that say "LADDER". The ladder most definitely existed, a thousand people were on them, and they most definitely were reset from time to time.

The ladders, like the rest of this game, were sometimes bugged. Once, on the LoD realm a whole bunch of chars with nearly the same name slipped into one ladder ranking. Whether these were bots or the ladder was hacked, I never did hear. And then there was the "ultra weird" ladder in the fall of 2001 on classic, just after LoD came out.

I've never been misquoted before, and ur insertion of a supposed quote from me "all sorts of lies " is NOT in my post above. If you weren't playing this game before 1.10, weren't on bnet, weren't coming to this forum and reading up on stuff, then u guys will likely find all this very foreign...

No i wrote all sorts of lies because your post was completely inaccurate. Yes, there was a ladder, but there no seasons and no resets, no separation between ladder and nonladder games, etc, until the first "season," whenever that was started. I have been playing online off and on since forever. I don't recall classic ladder being weird when LoD came out, so i'll have to take your word on that.

 

[weep]

i'll have to take your word on that

good idea, he's been around forever.

hope this reset is soon, maybe i'll come back for one last run.. even though i'm busy an old sage once told me sleep is for &%$#@

 

[SHARMUCK]

Since were talking about old ladders...
I was upset when they increased the ladder to showing the top 1000.
I was playing "classic" hardcore at the time and trying to keep my sorc in the top 10 and then everyone could see their rank and the competition just sky rocketed.
Good old days yada yada..

 

[Zodijackyl]

Separate realms didn't exist until 1.10

Enough said, you're a moron.

 

[Fearlessone]

Out to the Wood Shed, Part2

Geesh, what is some of you guys' problem?

Separate ladder realms didn't exist until 1.10.

This is the 2nd time that I've been DELIBERATELY misquoted in this thread. Here you purposefully removed the word "ladder" from my first sentence, making me look like a fool.(I actually wear a court jesters outfit all the time in public complete with checkerboard red and white, and bells at the edges of my hat, but am trying to be respectable here on this forum). What is it with you guys? I been gone a few months...

There was some confusion in my long post about the use of the word "ladder". It can mean what you see when you push the "LADDER" button in the bnet menu and it can mean the particular realm subdivision for new characters created after a certain date, who chose the "Ladder" on the char creation menu. I am painstakingly trying to explain this cuz some people play single player or have even been playing for years and dont know what the ladder is all about.

So u can say "I'm on the ladder". That means you are in a ladder realm and are ranked on the list. Or it can mean you simply chose the classic ladder realm since August 8th to create a new char and he is only level 31 and sucks. Actually, u can be on the ladder list and still suck, but thats another thread...lol

A great friend of mine is now lvl 90 after 18 months in the nonladder of USWest classic and STILL didnt know what it was, I had to slowly explain it all. Not to mention tons of peeps who are currently on the ladder and think their acct will get zapped on August 8th 2006, or who dont know about the huge realm of nonladder classic. A few weeks ago I told my lvl 90 ww barb friend that I had just played the ladder for a few hours and now was coming back to play my old chars with him. He just didn't know where I had been going to for a whole 10 months!! At some point, this friend had created his char in either ladder season#1 (Oct 28 2003-July 2004) or season#2 (July 2004-August 8th 2005), and had just been afk the day of the reset.

There were really "seasons" before 1.10, its just that its been a new game since then, and the division of each particular realm into ladder and nl has made these resets more important.

For those of u who dont play bnet or play nonladder: In the bnet menu, u can view the "LADDER" for your realm, say USEast. It will show u a list of individual "Ladders" in that realm, say hardcore or expansion hardcore or standard(classic). U will see the top 1000 in that particular realm subdivision, and also can view the top 200 in each of the char classes. There was always a ladder with some sort of listing to be found on bnet, and it occasionally reset, but until Oct 28th 2003 u always played with everyone on, say, USEast softcore classic.

A snowball fight is fun, but not if u put rocks in the snowballs.... :liar:

 

[Creon]

Fearlessone's initial post was, at least for the most part, correct. I can't confirm anything pre-1.04. The confusion about Ladder/nonladder is answered quite simply. The old ladder system meant that when a ladder board reset came, only characters made past a certain date would show up on the ladder, but they could still play with characters that were no longer eligible to show up on the ladder. This is the "ladder" Fearlessone refers to, not the "LADDER" you click in the character menu since, what, 1.10?

Calling the current system separate ladder realms is a bit misleading -- it should probably be refered to as separate ladder games. Most people consider the realms to be East/West/Asia/Europe, regardless of whether it is softcore, hardcore, ladder, non-ladder, classic, or expansion. Misquoting a guy who has most of his facts straight because you don't understand what he's saying is a poor approach, though. Although they were not refered to as "seasons" at the time, the fact stands that the ladder was "reset" such that only newly made characters would appear on it.

Saying "the ladder" didn't exist until 1.10 is also very misleading, as that implies there was no leaderboard. The leaderboard, which has always been refered to as "the ladder" has always existed, at least since 1.01. Ladder game specific characters are what is new to 1.10.

I also specifically remember what Fearlessone is talking about with the classic ladder being "wierd" in 1.09. I remember being pretty high on the fresh ladder, then suddenly all but disappearing to my surprise.

And yes, one of the ladder resets was around December 2000, I started playing the game shortly thereafter.

 

[Fearlessone]

Calling the current system separate ladder realms is a bit misleading --
I also specifically remember what Fearlessone is talking about with the classic ladder being "wierd" in 1.09. I remember being pretty high on the fresh ladder, then suddenly all but disappearing to my surprise.

Thanks, Creon. Yeah, there really isnt any standard name for the partitions of each realm, realm as in 'USWest' and partition as in 'Standard(classic) Hardcore Ladder', is there? Partition is a big word that alot of 13 year olds havent had yet on their vocabulary lists.

I vaguely remember a patch, perhaps 1.04 or was it a server sided patch that allowed rare lances, holy water sprinklers and grim helms to drop. Then about the same time bows could really have enhanced dmg on them, before that it was just a phony display bug: peeps thought they had all this bejesus 150+ gothic bow dmg, but it wasnt true. That was around late November and December of 2000. I seem to remember that the GerBarb and RussBarb guys just got their chars to 99 before that reset.

In the next ladder, there was a whole bunch of peeps, about 10-12, on most realms that got to 99, and most did it without teams. They played 24/7, and had things down pat as to how to do it. The quickest I've ever seen was in 3-4 months: Little Juliet. Her first Juliet, lvl 99 in 6 months, was hacked by some jerk and so she made another just to spite him.

Yeah, there was NO problem with classic experience gaining after the time LoD came out, that had been fixed, but LoD was broken and the short ladder resulted. This is just a word of warning that Blizzard doesnt think much of us here in classic when it comes to patches and resets, you never know what to expect...

TheEliteWarrior: u are obviously on the USWest ladder, for an soj, u can expect a naga with around +140% ed and some but not most of the following mods: +min/max dmg, ias, cold/pois dmg, +skills, life/mana leech. Thats 10 important mods, 6 of which u can get, but not for one soj. Ias is good for berserk or frenzy or concentrate and such, not for ww. Poison is good for mobs. Cold u can get on belts/ammys, leech on rings.

 

[magnet]

welcome back, David.

:grin:

 

[Dacar92]

If you can't agree to disagree, or start calling each other names, I will close. Please watch the name calling. Debates are arguments without the animosity. If name calling continues I will close and/or delete threads/posts. In extreme cases members will be banned if they resort to name calling. This one has run its course. Time to let it sink into oblivion.