New games suck, I'm back to D2

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Welcome back! I, too, didn't think I'd see that day...but it's good to have you back!

Ah, Secret of Mana...I loved the game back when I was around 12...I still like it, but it's not the same as D2 to me anymore ;-)

I'd join the MP games, but
a) I almost have no time to play more than 30 mins per week anymore :(
b) I'm teh n00b at playing MP - never did a single MP game...

Hope you have loads of fun though! :thumbsup:
 
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Death by snoo snoo! May we all die with big smiles and crushed pelvises.

Welcome back.
 
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That'd be all.
 
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SNOO SNOO


welcome back NF *high fives*
 
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people should keep making the same game over and over again. But neither should they completely abandon everything that made a franchise "work" in the first place.

(Although I will duel anyone saying Planescape: Torment is not perfect to the death. TO THE DEATH!)

Anyway: A simple example from Dragon Age: Origins vs Dragon Age 2.

In Dragon Age: Origins, in one of the origin stories, your familiy is brutally murdered through intrigue. I care about this because prior to the murder, they had dialogue and I got to know them a little. We saw them interact and interacted with them. That is how you do it. Show, don't tell. It's like film making 101 or something.

Fast forward to Dragon Age 2. In the first 2 minutes of the game, one of your siblings dies horribly as well. I don't remember his name. I did not give half a damn either. The game pretty much just mentioned "oh yea, that random redshirt was your brother, by the way. His death makes you very sad because we say so" and he had about one line of dialogue, which was just whining anyway.

That is not good writing. That has nothing to do with games evolving. A game should not attempt to be story driven if that is all you can come up with.

This continues through the entire game. Every couple hours you're yanked out of the game by force through hamfisted narrative and dumped 10 years into the future. You do not feel that time passing because everything looks exactly the same and everyone picks up right where we were. And this is NOT how you do it.


I wouldn't even say anything if anyone had had a (good) new idea for gaming in the last... 10 years? Innovation for the sake of innovation is ****ing stupid as well. My car runs on round tires now just as it ran on round tires 10 years ago. I don't need to try triangles to know that's gonna suck. And I don't need to play another rushed, halffinished, poorly written and poorly designed game again to see that's not an improvement over the classics.

Even the much lauded Mass Effect 2 has some serious problems. Every level is a corridor. In some cases the writing makes no sense. The overarching plot makes little to no sense, too. And the way pretty much everything you did in ME1 is negated is incredibly hamfisted as well. And still, aparantely the game was perfect because critics and gamers alike gobbled it right up. Maybe I nitpick too much, but we kinda went from "You saved the galaxy" to "You're just a lunatic, go away now!" really quick... Just because we needed a semi-disgraced Shepard. Maybe I'm a sucker for continuity, but imo, if you cannot be assed to make your sequel consistent, make a new game intead.

Not that this has anything to do with the actual gameplay.

What I don't get is why EVERY game has to be dumbed down. Seriously, why can't we have some games that are sorta hard to play and intellectually challenging? Does every single game have to be playable by a lobotomised monkey?

D2 does that remarkably well. You can have great success without knowing jack ****, but you can have a whole different kind of success if you really put your brains to the task. I'm not wholly convinced that is all intentional, but it's brilliant either way.



 
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D2 does that remarkably well. You can have great success without knowing jack ****, but you can have a whole different kind of success if you really put your brains to the task. I'm not wholly convinced that is all intentional, but it's brilliant either way.

I'm certain it was not. Show me a developer who had a Frenzied Zealbarb in mind when designing 'Passion' and I'll eat my ficus.


 
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*tries to kick shins only to find that they have completely dissolved over the years*
Not even gonna attempt to rob you.

Instead of starting another flurry of _insane_ projects, you should join us grailers! Nothing like having the entire grail in ilvl99 or Cathan rings in all possible ilvls >:D
Oh yeah, A85 tourney coming up soon, so might as well start there!

I vote for a Impalezon as your first character. Shouldn't be too hard~~

(I've got to get around playing Torment soon)
 
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You are so right NF. I agree it is the (de-?)evolution of gaming to try to appeal to a broader audience and make it easier for more casual and younger gamers to play that has brought about the changes you mention.

Welcome back and good luck with your first characters. Any idea on which one you will use first?

P.S.Love the Snoo Snoo reference.
 
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Welcome Home. Sooner or later the smart ones give in to the dark side and return :crazyeyes: it took me 3 and a half years!

I wonder how much game design has to do with the perceived average age of the buyer and the perceived willingness of the player to truly get involved with the game.

My daughter (30+) wonders why I keep playing D2 instead of playing some new games. A big part of it is that I don't really have a lot of time to experiment and really learn a new game.

want something hard? try strapping one arm to your waist and playing with just one arm.
 
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Have you done much time traveling? Just an idea if you haven't. I had never heard of Death by Snoo-Snoo... I guess I need to go back and catch up on my Futurama.
 
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Wecome back, Nightfish. Glory be, next we'll see the dead walking the Earth!

Maybe you can take on a sept sept where you get a sept in each of 7 game versions: 1.13, 1.09, 1.07. 1.10, 1.03 OMG... that may be a real idea and not just a joke ....
 
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Welcome back NF, it's good to have you back :thumbsup:. Can't wait to see what future project(s) you have in store for all of us. Have fun out there...

-PP
 
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Welcome back! I can say I have read every mat/pat thread you have posted. Yes, I almost prefer reading than playing...

1.03 would actually be a 'quint.' And that is one of the best Futurama episodes. Ever. "What? Did you explain how the women's good fundamentals make up for their inability to dunk?"

edit: Maybe that is why a 1.03 sept would be quite a feat... But if there was anyone that could do it.
 
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1.03 would actually be a 'quint.' ......
edit: Maybe that is why a 1.03 sept would be quite a feat... But if there was anyone that could do it.


:yes: Yeah, in 1.03, maybe Nightfish would guardian or mat the Natalya NPC from A3 and a rogue merc.

Heck, would you bet against NF getting a Sept in Diablo 1? :crazyeyes:



 
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@Lone-wolf: You're too right... Btw, what games have you got sitting around that need playing? Maybe I've missed a few gems myself. Rarely happens, but sometimes a good game slips under my radar.

Dunno lets see The longest Journey, Dreamfall(the longest journey 2) broken sword triology, The Witcher, replaing fallout tactics(hard), Jagged alliance 2(going around a corner can take hours of thinking what if?) Replaying the absolutely fantastic Planescape Torment.

Some newer games i never finished last time i had them installed like Titanquest IT, Mass effect 1(going to finish this so i can start playing mass effect ) Starcraft 2(disregarding the lame hollywood shenanigans), Fallout 3. Going to reinstall Dragon Age Orgins and pretend like the cluster **** that is called dragon age 2 never was released. Going to have to finish Dawn of war 2 someday even though it was inferior to any part of dawn of war and its expansions(have them all)

Two of the few games i look forward to in the future is Tera The Exiled Realm of Arborea and Guild Wars 2, as well as brink. And of course BF3

crysis 2 was just a cruel joke from the lets make everything the same standard as +5 year old consoles with crappy hardware crowd.

So as you can see i will keep myself busy for quite a while.:thumbsup:



 
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welcome back NF! i got that feeling too with new games: civ 5, gothic 4, oblivion etc...
 
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Planescape: Torment is perfect. :wink:


Two games I will never tire of are Thief and Thief II. Why? Because dedicated and talented fans keep making new missions. Nowadays, most of the more ambitious missions easily surpass the quality of the original missions (which was pretty good to begin with). Through in-game readables, scripted events, etc., many of the missions tell a very good story in addition to offering excellent gameplay. Some of them challenge the mind just as much as the techincal playing skills.
 
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