Meteorb + Tals = Good?

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TheDemonWithin

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Meteorb + Tals = Good?

Well, I read Stormcryers guide to Tal Set, and I was...really impressed, I must say. So I decided that I'd use Tal Set for my Sorceress. Can anybody give me some insight on if this will work or not? My gear setup for my Meteorbess will be:

Tal Orb w/ Fire Facet (if i can get it >.<)
Tals Armor w/ Fire Facet (see above)
Tal Helm w/ Fire Facet (see above above)
Tal Belt
Tal Ammy
War Travs 41%
Magefists
Stormshield w/ -15req 17% Fire Res Jewel
Ravenfrost
Dwarf Star

Skills will basically be:

20 Orb
20 Meteor
20 Fireball
20 Fire Mastery
10 Cold Mastery (+6 Tal Set +1 Anni = 17 CM = -100 res)

and then, of course, the prereqs. Thats 103 points, finished build at level 91. Well...Fire Mastery wont be maxed for awhile, eh? Lolz.


Well, thats what I got so far. I'll max block definitely, and spend like 123 points into Str so I can get the SS.

So...will this setup be able to tele hellbaal at least? or rush hell?
 
Are you looking specifically for a Max block/DR build? If so the SS is a good choice. But if you're looking to save on those stat points you can get by with a mosers, upgraded viscer, or whistans shield. These will all provide max block with a significant svaing in str and dex requirements. The only loss here would be in the DR demartment.

The choice of raven and dwarf rings is good, but if given the opportunity, later on, you may want to upgrade these to 2 sojs.

I'm not certain of the FCR bonuses awarded by raven and dwarf, (if any) but with the Tal Set and Mage fists, your FCR is over the 65% breakpoint so teleing for baal runs should be okay. You may wish to stock a tgods for quick switch in baal runs to counter the gloams.

Don't forget to invest the 2 points to get Siver armor. The added Def bonus is worth the 2 points and will help out in those tight situations. Leave ES at home.

You didn't mention a merc. A definate assest for a dual build rushing in hell. (Broken record time) I suggest an act 2 Defaince merc. You won't need the added punch of a might merc, given the dual tree build, so might was well get that great def bonus that Defiance adds. Plus you may need help with those occasional CI/FI uniques that hang out in the Chaos Canctuary and throneroom. Just let the merc go to town on these while you hit em with telekenisis to stun.

The rest looks good. In fact I just started leveling a mule (primarily for the forge runs -- yup rune shopping again) and I may take her all the way to a Meteorb very similar to what you''re planning.

Cheers!

Storm
 
Hmm...Shiver Armor...

Seeing that I just realized that TalOrb gives +2 CM (which means 2 more pts to spend) I guess I know where to put em now.

Shiver = 87% Bonus Def with my setup...so that should work pretty well, especially since I have a StormShield for a ton of extra defense.

Defiance? So...that means I have to train him from all the way down at level 13-15? Darnit, that won't be the most enjoyable thing I daresay, but I guess it'll work. Or...would it be worth the "no training needed" to get a Hell Merce and just have to give him some extra res gear (i.e. kira's > crown of thieves or something)? I dunno, but at least you didn't say HF merce...everybody seems to think those things are godly beyond compare...~_~

Believe me, if I could even have a chance in hell to trade/find an SoJ, I would be a very, very happy person. Ladder SoJs are just way to rare to even think of including in any build, IMHO. (Btw, personally, I think BkRings are much better choices than SoJs due to their nice +life)

TGods seems a pretty good choice...until you see that using a TGods will drop your TeleSpeed down a notch, which I don't think is worth it for some light absorb.


Now, for a new thing: What about resistances?

Tal Armor = 40 All (but psn)
Set = 50 All
Helm = 15
Anyas = 30

Thats 35/35/35/-5. Which...is not a very pretty sight >.<. I could get an Anni with around 15 Res for 50/50/50/10. Which still sucks really hard. Would it be a good idea to socket the Helm + Armor with Ums so I have 75/75/75/40? IMHO, thats really good, but is it worth the damage loss from the missing fire facets? My damage drops (Meteor Damage) about 2.5k if I toss in Ums in teh armor and helm but keep with a fire facet for my TalsOrb.

Should I go with Ums or Facets for Armor and Helm (no, I'm not gonna get 2 sets of gear)?


OT For the Moment: Has anybody ever thought of making a Barb with a fully upgraded Sigons Set and a GF/SS? :lol: :flip:
 
Hey

Yep I hav a meteorb virtually the same to level 89. All that stormcryer says is spot on however one alternative re the merc. Use Nightmare A2 defensive Holy Freeze. This merc rocks with a Meteorb. BTW SOJs are far better than BKs for this build if you could get em.

No problem for general orbing and meteoring. But you WILL run out of mana v fast when teleing and spamming ball without em.

Is your build soley for PVM ? Rushing others ? Cuz I might be tempted to add silkweaves for the boots for the mana if you dont use SOJs again this will give you a strength issue with storm. Maybe an um intead of one of all those facets.

Lastly check out Zrocs thread "The truth about Tals Set" It tells you EVERYTHING you need to know

Cheers.
 
TheDemonWithin said:
OT For the Moment: Has anybody ever thought of making a Barb with a fully upgraded Sigons Set and a GF/SS? :lol: :flip:
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If we could upgrade Sigons, then we would think about it :)
 
Damn, that would be cool tho :innocent: .

Ok, Silkweaves suck. Seriously. The only mod I would ever think of using it for (over WarTravs or Waterwalks or Treks) would be the minor +mana%, but even +mana% was nerfed heavily. Mana from sources other than Energy + Levelups does not get amplified. Sure, 2 SoJs owns when you're pumping energy for ES, but with base energy, your mana doesn't go up enough to use SoJ > BKRing. BKring gives like 70-something life, two of those is 140 more life. Sucking a few blues here and there is something I can live with, dying a lot is not.

Are you sure about Holy Freeze? I'm really confused now, because Storm told me to go with Defience but pretty much every other person I've talked to (online or on forums) says Holy Freeze. At the moment I'm at level 14 and trying to get a level 12 Defience merce up a few levels. Should I ditch the merce and get grab the one in Nightmare?

Oh, and the thread I was talking about was "The Truth about Tal Set" I thought Storm wrote it but it was Zroc. :D
 
meteorbess followup

Demon, regarding boots I've been wearing nats boots for a long time thinking I'd switch, but the 40% faster walk and nice cold resist are too nice to toss away. Silkweave is nothing special, gave em away yesterday in nightmare (I like playing Santa Claus sometimes.) I use full tals, for the reasons z discusses in his thread (have occy and shako in my stash, also vipermagi, but don't use.) This is my favorite build of all time.

Only deviation I made from std meteororb was to spend some points in warmth so I could use magefist instead of being stuck with frosties for whole game. This makes my fball dmg less than it could be, but I never need mana pots except against fast mana burners when I'm soloing. I hate carrying mana pots and usually keep only a couple in my belt.

I'm a big believer in max resists and blocking, otherwise could use more + skills stuff, but my sorc's now lvl 92 and most important thing is not to die. Lidless is WAY overrated - defense doesn't matter to a sorc, and the blocking is on it is lousy I'm amazed so many sorcs use this thing. Visc is better.

The only time she feels underpowered is in 8-player games fighting fire immunes, because orb doesn't kill like meteor. It's OK because you're teamed, but if you're used to freezing and incinerating everything pretty much at will it's kind of a downer at first.

Question :scratch: -- someone mentioned upgrading a visc shield? I use a pdiamond visc shield and would like to upgrade. Can u do that with a unique item?

Jon aka Ellesheba
 
Bul rings give 40-ish life (0,5/lvl).

You forgot to calculate storm in with resistances, which would make for 67/75/75/10 resists. That's plenty imo. And yes silkweaves suck, go for rares with resist, waterwalk or wartravs.

OT: you can't upgrade set items. Grandfather isn't good for whirlwind and you're gonna need that if you go full sigons :D
 
Sorry for the late delayed reply....I was up at the hunt camp this weekend doing the spring clean up.

I'm not going to get into a "my merc's better" argument here. The reason I suggested defiance merc is that all that added defece is really worth it. With a meteorb you already have a good cold clowing going on with the orb so IMHO, add a Holy Freeze merc is over the top in cold damage and you don;t get that great dopubling of defenxe once teh merc hits about lvl 85.

My base def from my arhcmage's gear is 1600. SA takes it up to 3200, and once the merc turns on the defiance, she peaks out at 7400. That's a lot of hit taking power. Teh merc himself with the gearI got for him + defiance tops out at a whopping 12000 defence. This mean s he stands pretty tall for my sorc, while helping my defence as well. I don't believe that your sorc can leverage the HF aura in the same way as defiance, but I might be wrong.

My concern is merc survivability in Hell. My Defiance merc has no problems, but I've heard other complain about their HF merc.

In the end the choice is yours.

Cheers!

Storm
 
Hey Again

Ok lets get the boots issue out of the way. The ONLY reason I even mention silkweaves is because you will be low on mana. I have 4 sorces all fully equipped FO//CL FO//N//TS FIRE & TAL//METEORB//MF. Now the only sorc I use the TAL Set with is the TAL Meteorb//MF. I only say look at silks cuz when I tele to mefi I just dont have enough mana and I hate keep goin to town when MFing to get pots. This is why I ask what is the sorc gonna be used for? because the TAL setup is unbeatable for delivering killing power AND Mf. But you dont mention MF? you state you want a "telebaal//rushing char" for this You should get 110 FCR which = no TAL

Of my 4 sorces only 1 is full block which the CL//FO for which I currently use Whitsans. So back to the boots issue. 2 of the sorces use travs the mf sorc obviously and the FO//N//TS. Fire sorc uses Sandstorm and Storm. The only one using silks is CL//FO due to massive mana burn on lightning. Now personally I would say you cant choose the boots without looking at your shield, Sandstorm and Storm for example are just a superb fit because their resists fit so nicely together and as you state the stats are pretty awesome. Really having invested heavily in str for Storm you should then go block as well.

Now the real hard part - FCR - to tele Hell Baal you preferably woud need 110 cast rate which you simply wont get using TAL (Actually you can with Magefists, 2 caster rings and Lidless). The whole point of Zrocs article was that with the TAL set you get a build which delivers killing power AND Mf. He never intended it to be a rushing char, although Zroc does MF Baal I would suggest this would be a nice slow and easy paced affair not a zoom to the throne and get TP down sort of sorc. Or for that matter a rush your M8s char.

So assuming you want what you say you want = 110% FCR. And if you want it you need to build the sorc around that requirement from the start. So lets list some 110 variations and you can have a look and decide.

Tals Set = 50
Armour COH = 0 Ormus = 20 Viper = 30
Helm Caster tiara = 20 Shako = 0
Shield Lidless = 20 all others 0
Weapon Eschutas//HOTO = 40 Occy = 30
Belt Arac = 20 others = 0
Boots = 0 Rares//crafted?
Gloves Magefists = 20 others 0 Rares//crafted?
Ammy Caster+Mods = 10 Maras//Tal// = 0 erm well I do hav a 3 cold skill 10%fcr which covers 1 sorc
Rings Caster+Mods = 10each Others = 0

BTW Jonw that is why lidless is so good.

Anyway getting back to your Telebaal//Rush char its really upto you. I put all of the above (Except 20fcr tiara which I dont have) on one sorc and kept swapping everything about. Conclusion there isnt one.

You use COH then maybe arac eschutas//HOTO lidless mages and 1 caster ring//amu
You max resists use COH HOTO//Occy(15 all res jewel) Lidless Mage and 2 caster rings and or amu
You max block use Viper arac eschutas//HOTO and mages plus storm or whitsans or visceratuant etc
You have a good Ormus with useful mod well you can perm any of the above and go max block again.

For weapons I have 1 x HOTO (My non sorc chars need this more ATM) 2 x occy with 15 all res jewels a fire eschutas and of course a Tal orb (2,1,2) anyway 2 in the right places. I only have 1 anni so the occys are required where I dont hav anni etc the permutations are endless

The bottom line is WAT ARE YOU GONNA USE YOUR SORC FOR?

For me The TAL Meteorb is unbeatable as a MF sorc but if you need 110 cast rate and who doesnt then look elsewhere.

Oh and BTW just a personal thing not 1 better than the other if you are gonna be reall rich one day keep leveling that norm defiance merc because the ultimate is to equip with Doom RW thereby giving you Holy Freeze into the bargain ---- Awsome----

All very much my very humble opinons of course to which we are all entitled.
 
I agree with quite a bit raiderjb's post with the exception of the rushing/telebaal part requiring the 110 FCR breakpoint (it's a nice to have but not aboslutely essential) and the mana drain worries.

My tal set archmage never runs out of mana. The twin SOJ with their impresive combined +50% mana increase and + 40 to mana, combined with the 25% mana regen of the mage fist, and tha 153 mana boost from the set should allow your mana blue to stay blue while teleporting.

Some say they have a mana drain problem when teleing and sppamming FO at the same time. I can;t comment on tehis as I don't bother spamming any attack when teleporting arround.

As to using the set for rushing, I use it all the time when rushing my mules. Now I'm probably not as fast aws some single tree/max FCR, build but I have had no complaints from those that I have rushed that I'm taking too long. (They had better not complain, unless they want to see "stormcryer has left...." I can't stand ingrates)

Anyway, the set is awsome for most builds, while not considered by the elitests as "godly" it defineatly ranks in or arround the "demi-godly" range. (IMO it is godly equip)

Storm
 
Stormcryer said:
The rest looks good. In fact I just started leveling a mule (primarily for the forge runs -- yup rune shopping again) and I may take her all the way to a Meteorb very similar to what you''re planning.
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Storm..can you explain this? What do you mean by rune shopping? Are you simply saying you get a mule to hell forge quest, get runes, delete mule and start again? Or is there some other trick that I don't know about?

Thanks...
 
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