Median_2 v1.0 mod released!

Welcome Phrozen Heart. :wave:

I see you've found the link to the rules (strangely, they've suddenly become customized to Guild Wars :scratch: ).

Yes, that's one of the issues (competing forum - you do have a general D2 member forum).

But the main issue for your site is that besides the very fine immersive game mods like Median_2, you also host some nastier ones, like drop mods for instance. Those are very clearly cheats for a site that has item trade forums. So the biggest challenge is rule #5 re: pimping hacks and cheats.

Like I said, I would like to figure out a way to get past this, and provide better access to D2 mods.
 
Per ae's suggestion, edited.

But the gist of it is that I (and surely many others) am very frustrated with the no link to other forum rule, and think it's stupid and ineffective.
 
Phrozen Heart said:
But my point being where does it say that's wrong? I completely in agreement that each forum should have it's own rules and everyone posting should abide by them but I'm obviously not seeing where this is posted. If someone can post the link, I'll gladly shut up :D

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Unless you meant the part that reads "c. Sites that are competitive to our site (unless unique content). It has taken many 'man' hours to compile GWOnline.Net's content and as such our commitment to the promotion of that content is total. If you wish to post a link to a resource that we do not have you are welcome to PM a request to the appropriate moderator. Neither do we allow visitors to use our forum membership as a means to build their own sites from, using our Private Messaging system to recruit writers and/or their content or membership drives for their own forums."?

The site is pure D2 mods which would be "unique content" right?
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Forum Rules said:
5. Thou Shalt Not Pimp or aid the Pimping of hacks and Cheats. Hacks and Cheats are 3rd party programs that allow you to alter the way a player interacts with a game. We do not support the use of these. You may not ask for help in creating a hack/cheat, a link to where you can find one, provide a link to where people can download one. However, the morality of using these programs is sometimes discussed and we allow these [within reason], unless it violates any other rule
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I think this is the problem as Kremtok said in the first post of this thread.
EDIT: Too slow, AE explained it
 
erm, NSX, it's pretty likely Elly and/or Flux will be directed to this thread. You may want to reconsider that statement.
 
@farting bob> Ummm...this is the "single player" forum right? So trading and multiplayer are null and void, not counting the fact that most mods of any content aren't even compatible with vanilla D2. Laz posted his mod in the single player forum for people to enjoy in single player games.

@AlterEgo> Well Blizzard employees who've visited the Keep and even been interviewed for it didn't seem to have a problem with the content and as you can see from our ToS, the rules over there are much stricter than here. I appreciate you trying to help although the Keep being effectively blacklisted in this way to me seems unfair. I notice that Volf's mod site is even in the link database here despite being the mirror for at least one drop mod.

@NSXdreamer> As soon as they open up a modding forum then they're competing but they chose to abandon modding when mods.purediablo.com got axed although I'm not seeing the problem even linking there for a valid reason (as opposed to just pimping it for no reason). Median is only officially available there (I believe) which is why Laz posted the link.

[edit] Typo.
 
Phrozen Heart said:
@farting bob> Ummm...this is the "single player" forum right? So trading and multiplayer are null and void, not counting the fact that most mods of any content aren't even compatible with vanilla D2. Laz posted his mod in the single player forum for people to enjoy in single player games.
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Actually, we have a trade forum. we can use ATMA for muling, stashing and trading. Also, we have an active MP area in the SPF, we can play over IP games. Alot of people wont be effected, but those who trade or MP may be.
 
Phrozen Heart said:
@NSXdreamer> As soon as they open up a modding forum then they're competing but they chose to abandon modding when mods.purediablo.com got axed although I'm not seeing the problem even linking there for a valid reason (as opposed to just pimping it for no reason). Median is only officially available there (I believe) which is why Laz posted the link.
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We can't even link to the weapon speed calculator site which has a d2 forum in GERMAN, you get the idea.

How many people here can write german fluently, seriously?
 
Phrozen Heart said:
@farting bob> Ummm...this is the "single player" forum right? So trading and multiplayer are null and void, not counting the fact that most mods of any content aren't even compatible with vanilla D2. Laz posted his mod in the single player forum for people to enjoy in single player games.
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No. This is "SP" because we don't do Battle.net that's why we have stickied trading and MP threads. Not to mention all the tourneys, how can you have an even compition if everyone is playing a differnt game?

As for the link to the other place, it's not just the site, it IS the mods. Look at the top of the page, "Please do not post links or information about hacking/warez/cheats." We had to fight to be able to talk about ATMA, for goodness' sake.
 
Phrozen Heart said:
@farting bob> Ummm...this is the "single player" forum right? So trading and multiplayer are null and void, not counting the fact that most mods of any content aren't even compatible with vanilla D2. Laz posted his mod in the single player forum for people to enjoy in single player games.
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If you hadn't noticed we actually have a very active MP community via IP games here, as you can see from the Weekly MP thread as well as the tourneys. Given that we have a dedicated SP trade forum as well, I hardly think that MP and trading are "null and void". :)

When you say that mods aren't compatible with vanilla D2, that's not entirely correct. Someone playing the red rune mod would not have problems joining an IP game hosted by someone else running vanilla d2.

Edit: Double pwned by fbob and water_moon. :confused:
 
@ farting bob - On the whole you can't even connect to player using a mod like Median 2 and any mod that DOES work in multiplayer doesn't do anything a character editor can't and they're allowed to be discussed here. My mistake regarding the forum sorry. Regardless, truly modded items won't work in a vanilla game.

@ NSXdreamer - I'm starting to unfortunately. "If we didn't make it, we don't want it".

@ water_moon - My mistake regarding the forum sorry.

@ kabal - And I as I mention the ones that are compatible aren't anything that couldn't be done with a character or hex editor.

So which rule are we being condemned for? Having "bad" mods or being a D2 forum? And just to set things straight, I'm not "pro-cheat mod" by any means.

I think Laz had the right idea when he said this was pointless, I guess the unofficial approval of Blizzard and Gamespy who are both sticklers for the rules don't count for anything.
 
Phrozen Heart said:
@farting bob> Ummm...this is the "single player" forum right? So trading and multiplayer are null and void, not counting the fact that most mods of any content aren't even compatible with vanilla D2. Laz posted his mod in the single player forum for people to enjoy in single player games.
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It all depends on how you define "Single Player". While it may mean different things to different people, ever since the inception of this forum several years ago, the mindset *here* is that of "non-Closed BNet". This implies a voluntary choice not to play on the Battle net servers but does not discount the possibility of LAN multiplayer and/or item trading. There is always more than one way to skin a cat ;)

@AlterEgo> Well Blizzard employees who've visited the Keep and even been interviewed for it didn't seem to have a problem with the content and as you can see from our ToS, the rules over there are much stricter than here. I appreciate you trying to help although the Keep being effectively blacklisted in this way to me seems unfair. I notice that Volf's mod site is even in the link database here despite being the mirror for at least one drop mod.

@NSXdreamer> As soon as they open up a modding forum then they're competing but they chose to abandon modding when mods.purediablo.com got axed although I'm not seeing the problem even linking there for a valid reason (as opposed to just pimping it for no reason). Median is only officially available there (I believe) which is why Laz posted the link.

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Ultimately, any decision about the content/rules of purediablo.com rests with the site administrators/owners and not the moderators so one can only follow the proclamations handed down. Your best bet about trying to get a rule changed would be to PM the administrators with a clearly delineated argument for or against. Past history will show that expression of general discontent via posts usually does not get very far. You will find in general that there are a few inconsistencies around here because things tend to fall between the cracks but they have a way of working themselves out. As many people here and in other places can attest, the fight to get ATMA accepted was quite a challenge.

While there are a few things I would like changed, I've learned to live with the rules. I respect the PhrozenKeep and enjoy all the work that is done there by the fine members but I guess the bottom line is that both sites have different sets of rules for different reasons which may not always be compatible. Anyway, cheers and good luck.

--T
 
@ Hakai_no_Tenshi - I have no intention of trying to get the rules changed, purediablo.com is welcome to carry on doing whatever it likes, it's just a shame they couldn't care less about the biggest D2 modding comminuty still in existance.

As for the logic of "you can't link to it but feel free to talk about it enough that a completely moron could google it", I'm just at a loss for words.

@ Elly, Flux or whoever - Believe it or not, I do respect the rules here and as such am leaving you to do whatever you like (if anything at all). Support mods, don't support mods, they'll still be there.
 
@ Phrozen Heart - don't give up on the idea just yet. NSX offered an opinion, but he hasn't really had the insider's tour that Hakai and I have. ;) I'd say that with a little proactive, positive lobbying, that there's a reasonable chance we can work something out with the site owners.

@ the SPFers - thanks for helping with the rules interpretation. But I think the ground has been covered, and it's time for the mods and admins to take the torch.

I've PMed Elly and hope she'll read the thread, and possibly comment.

In the mean time, feel free to discuss the Median_2 mod. :thumbsup:
 
I remember reading that there would be a way to have a version switcher to run say 1.10 and 1.09... is that applicable to a mod as well. Could you have an uncontaminated 1.10 and then another mod version you play?
 
OpethAZ said:
I remember reading that there would be a way to have a version switcher to run say 1.10 and 1.09... is that applicable to a mod as well. Could you have an uncontaminated 1.10 and then another mod version you play?
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Yes, there are several version switching scripts out there such as the one here. I'm sure there are others that would allow you to switch between vanilla and modded 1.10 . I believe Drac0 from the SPTN (also on PhrozenKeep) just released one that might do something like this. As usual, Google is your friend ;)

--T
 
Just had time to look at the screenshots, they are pretty ****ing awsome!

Is there any documentation on the changes and description of skills?
 
Just had a look at the screenies you posted...:eek:

The skill icons look great and the new spell animations really are different.:D (although Im sure I recognised

Looks like a completely new game to learn, and I like the idea of better items dropping from harder monsters. Now, if only I had a month free to play it...

Still, I bookmarked the DL link, and it'll find its way onto my hardrive eventually :teeth:
 
Phrozen Heart said:
As for the logic of "you can't link to it but feel free to talk about it enough that a completely moron could google it", I'm just at a loss for words.
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I'm a lurker here.. have posted a tiny bit - with an introduction thread somewhere too - but i'm generally put off by the witch hunts and the whinging etc. I love the information, the stories, the character guides, the characters but sometimes the other stuff gets in the way and puts me off posting anything here - be it finding a decent rune or item, or getting a hc character through the game.

However i find that i can't resist posting here because Phrozen Heart has pointed out something so completely logical that not even the oldest grannies in the forum can dispute it.

Think about it for a tick. People will do with their own computers what they want - all you have the right to do is not trade with them.

Anyway yet another person that brought something diff to the forum that gets jumped on by the possy "He floats - he must be a witch... witch witch" :D

to the moderators - I understand the competing forum issue and respect your reasons for having that rule. It is not you that my tirade is pointed at - rather the people that cry hax/ban etc and feel like they need to jump to the rule book each time they read a post
 
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