Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Ok, I feel I need to go into a little more depth about what I was actually doing with the table. You see, as I've said numerous times before, it quantifies how suspicious I feel a particular person is. Now, there can be uncertain methods of sensing that, and there are certain methods. Uncertain methods revolve around the discussion that goes on during the daytime. Certain methods aren't available to all players. For example, a mafioso could tell you with certainty which players were mafia and which weren't, though it may not be the best plan.
One method of gaining partial certain information is to be the cop and conduct nighttime investigations. I planned to use the table to find ways to discreetly record that too, ensuring that players known to be mafia to me stayed at the top of the board. Note Hey's position and score in yesterday's table.
For those who skim: I am the Cop.
It's a staple of enough mafia games that I'm sure you all know the mechanics of the role. So the next logical step is to detail each night's investigation:
Night 1 - Thyiad = Plain Townie
Night 1 was interesting. With no discussion to go on I decided to investigate a player who I have seen consistently posts in a style that I find hard to get a reading from. Though I've never seen her play as a mafia, I figured I'd find it hard to tell. Unfortunately, the mafia weren't sure about her either.
Night 2 - Ankeli = Plain Townie
For Night 2 I had the discussion during the previous day to go on. With Soylentred mainly engaging with Zhao at this time, I decided to investigate someone I'd had more contact with - mainly because of how defensive he'd seemed about the Mafia Points table. Unfortunately he came back as a townie with no role. However, since the apparent switch with Noammr, this has been useful in letting me see that any speculation about Ankeli being mafia as being false. As a corollary, in all likelihood we still have two mafia out there.
Night 3 - Orphan = Plain Townie
I'll admit here that this wasn't my first choice. I wanted to investigate Soylentred now, but Ray ruled that since she was still being interrogated by the FBI agent, she was blocked to me as well. So I chose to investigate Orphan who I had noticed as being particularly quiet up until then. I knew Orphan could also be a wily opponent, having read through the first CF Mafia game as that ran. I wanted to make sure that he didn't have the same role again, as he can certainly fool to town with it. He came back as a plain townie, and as such I tried to deflect suspicion from him the following day, to avoid a wasted lynch.
At this point, with three plain townies confirmed, I asked Ray if I was a naive cop. I figured this based on the results I had gained so far as well as the pre-round talk where Ray had assured me that I would get the most useless role he could find. For those who haven't come across the role before, a naive cop is told only that he is a normal cop, but every investigation he makes comes back as townie. It certainly fit the criteria of a useless role. Ray told me that no, I was a normal cop. Then again, you would say that as the umpire, wouldn't you? I resigned myself to the conclusion I had reached anyway when asking him - that the only proof possible would come if I investigated someone and was told they had a non-townie role.
Night 4 - Jaago = White Mage
And proof I would receive. Jaago is the White Mage of the town. As he said, the person targetted by Jaago is protected for two nights rather than the standard one. It is slightly more limited than the role of Doctor though, to keep it somewhat balanced.
I would not have posted this in this reveal, but rather claimed Jaago was a plain townie (with some hints laid in the form of arcane references perhaps) instead. It's too powerful a role to out in such a way.
Any doubts that have been had about Jaago and whether or not he is mafia trying to get Nolecub lynched can be put to rest. Jaago is pro-town.
Night 5 - MassiveSin = Plain Townie
I was torn here between investigating MassiveSin or returning to the original instinct of finding out Soylentred's role, as both continued to bug me. Finding yet another plain townie was a surprise to me, certainly a far cry from those who predicted 12 roles out of every 14 being a power role of some sort. Needless to say, he is definitely a townie.
Right. Brilliant. SiTro you fool! You haven't given us any mafia!
But this is more helpful than you might think. Lets run down the player list:
Hey - Lynched, Mafia Crooked Detective
SiTro - Alive, Cop
Zhao_Yue - Dead, ???
BobTheWarrior - Alive, ???
Serdash - Lynched, Beloved Princess
ogogo on ice - Dead, ???
Ankeli - Dead, Plain Townie
friedbananazzzz - Lynched, Mafia Suicide Bomber
spigot - Alive, ???
Erwwwd - Alive, ???
Nolecub - Alive, claimed Doctor
aman - Alive, ???
MassiveSin - Alive, Plain Townie
Soylentred - Alive, claimed Mason
Noammr - Alive, claimed Mason
Orphan - Dead, Plain Townie
Jaago - Alive, White Mage
Thyiad - Dead, Plain Townie
Let's reduce that down into three lists. One for players we can trust, one for players that can possibly be trusted if we make an assumption, one for those left. For the most part, the order within each list is taken from the order they appear above. Where it makes it easier to follow in a different order (e.g. Soylentred), I've made the appropriate corrections.
Trusted Players - Role - Reason we can trust them
SiTro - Cop
MassiveSin - Plain Townie - Investigated
Noammr - Mason - Targetted by mafia on Night 3
Soylentred - Mason - Vouched for by Noammr
Jaago - White Mage - Investigated
Semi-Trusted Players - Assumption we need to make in order to trust them
Erwwwd - Cast the locking vote on Hey. Is this a ploy to appear more innocent or not?
Nolecub - Do you believe his claim of doctor. See my previous question on this.
aman - Do you believe him to have a pro-town role?
Other Players
BobTheWarrior
spigot
Right. Now to what is hopefully the last part of this post, my thoughts on the above lists. I'm not going to comment on the Trusted Players list, apart from that those people are either proven townies by the actions that have happened in this game, or have been personally investigated by myself.
The semi-trusted players:
Erwwwd
As I said above, he cast the locking vote on Hey, which is something I tend to trust in a player, but it could also have been accepting that the lynch was pretty inevitable. I think I'd trust more a player who cast the 'soft' lynching vote on a mafia, particularly if it happened just before the end of the day. Another thing that makes me doubt whether Erwwwd's intentions were purely honourable is that he seems to have had quite some experience with Mafia before, the caveat being he hasn't played it across the medium of a forum before.
Nolecub
Again, I refer to #484:
I'm more of the view that we should believe his role claim at this point. Although, I have no hard evidence either way.
aman
I think he's probably town-aligned. Those of you who've seen him play before know that he will make a list of role-claims in a single game. For example, Cop-Mafia-Doctor-Bomb last time around. This time he's been more reserved and has been giving strong hints that those who played in a specific SPF game would recognise. Based on that I think he can be trusted this time round.
Now, onto the players who we have no solid reason to trust, even when we consider possible assumptions:
BobTheWarrior
Has been very quiet for the entire round, at first citing a concurrent SPF game but no explanation since that finished. Has posted today, but even though he has had only a slight showing all game seemed very hostile to my attempts to focus the discussion. (Regarding that, I hope you can now see why those were the points I was particularly interested in) No solid proof that he's hurting the town, but, no sign of actually helping it either.
spigot
Has an interesting past. Did not vote for anyone when Hey was lynched. This was picked up on by Soylentred and I checked this and found that he cast the first vote and then later unvoted. In #382 he states the need not to waste our votes on no-lynches and then votes for a player who at the time had no votes at all. I called him on that then and it's perhaps somewhat fortunate that Fbz showed up mafia, but at the time it was definitely splintering the vote. Make of that what you will.
More serious though are his comments today.
This is essentially a cop claim. There's no other way a player could be that sure of the information he states without being either cop or mafia. Note that his vote is against a confirmed townie, and that since we know that I'm the cop, spigot must be lying. Which means he is either mafia (likely) or a town role lying (very, very bad).
My thoughts at the moment are that spigot and BobTheWarrior are likely to be our remaining mafia. We need to lynch spigot today and also work out a plan for the town over the coming days and nights.
I'll need some form of protection tonight.
I also need some opinions of who the town thinks I should investigate. Personally I'd lean towards investigating either Erwwwd or BobTheWarrior. Aman I am almost certain is a townie, and I think Nolecub is probably our doctor. I'd like to hear other opinions to my own on this though.
Vote: spigot
It should be him today. Aside from Bob, there are explanations for why every other live player is at least probably townie.
Ok, I feel I need to go into a little more depth about what I was actually doing with the table. You see, as I've said numerous times before, it quantifies how suspicious I feel a particular person is. Now, there can be uncertain methods of sensing that, and there are certain methods. Uncertain methods revolve around the discussion that goes on during the daytime. Certain methods aren't available to all players. For example, a mafioso could tell you with certainty which players were mafia and which weren't, though it may not be the best plan.
One method of gaining partial certain information is to be the cop and conduct nighttime investigations. I planned to use the table to find ways to discreetly record that too, ensuring that players known to be mafia to me stayed at the top of the board. Note Hey's position and score in yesterday's table.
For those who skim: I am the Cop.
It's a staple of enough mafia games that I'm sure you all know the mechanics of the role. So the next logical step is to detail each night's investigation:
Night 1 - Thyiad = Plain Townie
Night 1 was interesting. With no discussion to go on I decided to investigate a player who I have seen consistently posts in a style that I find hard to get a reading from. Though I've never seen her play as a mafia, I figured I'd find it hard to tell. Unfortunately, the mafia weren't sure about her either.
Night 2 - Ankeli = Plain Townie
For Night 2 I had the discussion during the previous day to go on. With Soylentred mainly engaging with Zhao at this time, I decided to investigate someone I'd had more contact with - mainly because of how defensive he'd seemed about the Mafia Points table. Unfortunately he came back as a townie with no role. However, since the apparent switch with Noammr, this has been useful in letting me see that any speculation about Ankeli being mafia as being false. As a corollary, in all likelihood we still have two mafia out there.
Night 3 - Orphan = Plain Townie
I'll admit here that this wasn't my first choice. I wanted to investigate Soylentred now, but Ray ruled that since she was still being interrogated by the FBI agent, she was blocked to me as well. So I chose to investigate Orphan who I had noticed as being particularly quiet up until then. I knew Orphan could also be a wily opponent, having read through the first CF Mafia game as that ran. I wanted to make sure that he didn't have the same role again, as he can certainly fool to town with it. He came back as a plain townie, and as such I tried to deflect suspicion from him the following day, to avoid a wasted lynch.
At this point, with three plain townies confirmed, I asked Ray if I was a naive cop. I figured this based on the results I had gained so far as well as the pre-round talk where Ray had assured me that I would get the most useless role he could find. For those who haven't come across the role before, a naive cop is told only that he is a normal cop, but every investigation he makes comes back as townie. It certainly fit the criteria of a useless role. Ray told me that no, I was a normal cop. Then again, you would say that as the umpire, wouldn't you? I resigned myself to the conclusion I had reached anyway when asking him - that the only proof possible would come if I investigated someone and was told they had a non-townie role.
Night 4 - Jaago = White Mage
And proof I would receive. Jaago is the White Mage of the town. As he said, the person targetted by Jaago is protected for two nights rather than the standard one. It is slightly more limited than the role of Doctor though, to keep it somewhat balanced.
I would not have posted this in this reveal, but rather claimed Jaago was a plain townie (with some hints laid in the form of arcane references perhaps) instead. It's too powerful a role to out in such a way.
Any doubts that have been had about Jaago and whether or not he is mafia trying to get Nolecub lynched can be put to rest. Jaago is pro-town.
Night 5 - MassiveSin = Plain Townie
I was torn here between investigating MassiveSin or returning to the original instinct of finding out Soylentred's role, as both continued to bug me. Finding yet another plain townie was a surprise to me, certainly a far cry from those who predicted 12 roles out of every 14 being a power role of some sort. Needless to say, he is definitely a townie.
Right. Brilliant. SiTro you fool! You haven't given us any mafia!
But this is more helpful than you might think. Lets run down the player list:
Hey - Lynched, Mafia Crooked Detective
SiTro - Alive, Cop
Zhao_Yue - Dead, ???
BobTheWarrior - Alive, ???
Serdash - Lynched, Beloved Princess
ogogo on ice - Dead, ???
Ankeli - Dead, Plain Townie
friedbananazzzz - Lynched, Mafia Suicide Bomber
spigot - Alive, ???
Erwwwd - Alive, ???
Nolecub - Alive, claimed Doctor
aman - Alive, ???
MassiveSin - Alive, Plain Townie
Soylentred - Alive, claimed Mason
Noammr - Alive, claimed Mason
Orphan - Dead, Plain Townie
Jaago - Alive, White Mage
Thyiad - Dead, Plain Townie
Let's reduce that down into three lists. One for players we can trust, one for players that can possibly be trusted if we make an assumption, one for those left. For the most part, the order within each list is taken from the order they appear above. Where it makes it easier to follow in a different order (e.g. Soylentred), I've made the appropriate corrections.
Trusted Players - Role - Reason we can trust them
SiTro - Cop
MassiveSin - Plain Townie - Investigated
Noammr - Mason - Targetted by mafia on Night 3
Soylentred - Mason - Vouched for by Noammr
Jaago - White Mage - Investigated
Semi-Trusted Players - Assumption we need to make in order to trust them
Erwwwd - Cast the locking vote on Hey. Is this a ploy to appear more innocent or not?
Nolecub - Do you believe his claim of doctor. See my previous question on this.
aman - Do you believe him to have a pro-town role?
Other Players
BobTheWarrior
spigot
Right. Now to what is hopefully the last part of this post, my thoughts on the above lists. I'm not going to comment on the Trusted Players list, apart from that those people are either proven townies by the actions that have happened in this game, or have been personally investigated by myself.
The semi-trusted players:
Erwwwd
As I said above, he cast the locking vote on Hey, which is something I tend to trust in a player, but it could also have been accepting that the lynch was pretty inevitable. I think I'd trust more a player who cast the 'soft' lynching vote on a mafia, particularly if it happened just before the end of the day. Another thing that makes me doubt whether Erwwwd's intentions were purely honourable is that he seems to have had quite some experience with Mafia before, the caveat being he hasn't played it across the medium of a forum before.
Nolecub
Again, I refer to #484:
SiTro said:
I'm more of the view that we should believe his role claim at this point. Although, I have no hard evidence either way.
aman
I think he's probably town-aligned. Those of you who've seen him play before know that he will make a list of role-claims in a single game. For example, Cop-Mafia-Doctor-Bomb last time around. This time he's been more reserved and has been giving strong hints that those who played in a specific SPF game would recognise. Based on that I think he can be trusted this time round.
Now, onto the players who we have no solid reason to trust, even when we consider possible assumptions:
BobTheWarrior
Has been very quiet for the entire round, at first citing a concurrent SPF game but no explanation since that finished. Has posted today, but even though he has had only a slight showing all game seemed very hostile to my attempts to focus the discussion. (Regarding that, I hope you can now see why those were the points I was particularly interested in) No solid proof that he's hurting the town, but, no sign of actually helping it either.
spigot
Has an interesting past. Did not vote for anyone when Hey was lynched. This was picked up on by Soylentred and I checked this and found that he cast the first vote and then later unvoted. In #382 he states the need not to waste our votes on no-lynches and then votes for a player who at the time had no votes at all. I called him on that then and it's perhaps somewhat fortunate that Fbz showed up mafia, but at the time it was definitely splintering the vote. Make of that what you will.
More serious though are his comments today.
As I said in my last post, the errors that were there were there for a reason, I know what's going on already, so I will limit my first post to a vote. Its correct so you can either back me up or not, I'm afraid the rest of this game won't be very interesting as long as I have the support of the rest of the players (but then again, how do you know I'm telling the truth :azn
vote: jaago
This is essentially a cop claim. There's no other way a player could be that sure of the information he states without being either cop or mafia. Note that his vote is against a confirmed townie, and that since we know that I'm the cop, spigot must be lying. Which means he is either mafia (likely) or a town role lying (very, very bad).
My thoughts at the moment are that spigot and BobTheWarrior are likely to be our remaining mafia. We need to lynch spigot today and also work out a plan for the town over the coming days and nights.
I'll need some form of protection tonight.
I also need some opinions of who the town thinks I should investigate. Personally I'd lean towards investigating either Erwwwd or BobTheWarrior. Aman I am almost certain is a townie, and I think Nolecub is probably our doctor. I'd like to hear other opinions to my own on this though.
Vote: spigot
It should be him today. Aside from Bob, there are explanations for why every other live player is at least probably townie.
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Seeing that the "white mage" protects for 2 days, and the "Doctor" protect 1 per day... How are you the ONLY one to protect power roles unless both the other 2 are non exsitant?
Seeing that the "white mage" protects for 2 days, and the "Doctor" protect 1 per day... How are you the ONLY one to protect power roles unless both the other 2 are non exsitant?
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
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Very good Sitro: I was trying to also through hints down that I was the cop to take some heat from the real one. I was hoping to get NK this night because I figured the Townies were thin. Well played I think this town can wrap it up now. @Nolecub.. Nice show huh
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Very good Sitro: I was trying to also through hints down that I was the cop to take some heat from the real one. I was hoping to get NK this night because I figured the Townies were thin. Well played I think this town can wrap it up now. @Nolecub.. Nice show huh
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Sitro
May I ask why the first 3 you claim to have investigated are dead.
In fact from what you are saying you investigated Thyiad even tho she was already dead?
That seems like a waste in early days when your days may be numbered.
Then your 4th investigation you list someone who has claimed a specific role.
So the roles you are saying you have investigated are all dead or you are mirroring what someone themself is claiming.
A mafia or in fact anyone of us from what I can see could have come up with the same list. Is that not true.
I could have said cop and listed all the already dead and unknown players as townie and who is going to dispute it. I see many here could have made up this list and claimed cop.
Not arguing but please explain:
1. Why if you did investigate Thyiad when she was dead. That curiosity could wait til the final role call.
2. Why have only investigated those that ended up dead at the same time. Mafia would be told roles when people are NK.
3. In all of that especially the early confusing days why didn't you investigate Aman?
4. There have been some very specific statements claiming Ankeli was mafia (sorry if I'm wrong on that one) but you alone disagree at this late point when it doesn't seem to matter. Or is that to ramp up our urgency - if Ankeli was not mafia we have an extra one to rout out.
5. Bob very specifically showed he was loathe and reluctant to vote for a lynch in the early days. That does not seem like something mafia does. Explain why you think he is a mafioso who doesn't want to lynch townies.
Thats it for now. Thanks
Sitro
May I ask why the first 3 you claim to have investigated are dead.
In fact from what you are saying you investigated Thyiad even tho she was already dead?
That seems like a waste in early days when your days may be numbered.
Then your 4th investigation you list someone who has claimed a specific role.
So the roles you are saying you have investigated are all dead or you are mirroring what someone themself is claiming.
A mafia or in fact anyone of us from what I can see could have come up with the same list. Is that not true.
I could have said cop and listed all the already dead and unknown players as townie and who is going to dispute it. I see many here could have made up this list and claimed cop.
Not arguing but please explain:
1. Why if you did investigate Thyiad when she was dead. That curiosity could wait til the final role call.
2. Why have only investigated those that ended up dead at the same time. Mafia would be told roles when people are NK.
3. In all of that especially the early confusing days why didn't you investigate Aman?
4. There have been some very specific statements claiming Ankeli was mafia (sorry if I'm wrong on that one) but you alone disagree at this late point when it doesn't seem to matter. Or is that to ramp up our urgency - if Ankeli was not mafia we have an extra one to rout out.
5. Bob very specifically showed he was loathe and reluctant to vote for a lynch in the early days. That does not seem like something mafia does. Explain why you think he is a mafioso who doesn't want to lynch townies.
Thats it for now. Thanks
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Sitro - the first 3 you investigate it's like investigate, die, investigate, die, investigate, die. That is some pretty amazing coincidence.
Sitro - the first 3 you investigate it's like investigate, die, investigate, die, investigate, die. That is some pretty amazing coincidence.
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Ok Ok - I read back we had night first but still it was investigate, die, investigate, die, investigate, die.
Ok Ok - I read back we had night first but still it was investigate, die, investigate, die, investigate, die.
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
But fans don't rest yet the show could be more complicated... If Spigot turns up cop... then you got to flip over the trusted list. Now its who claims cop first with write up vs infered cop.
However if you (person reading now) consider this assumping Spigot is the cop and hint like Spigot did here about Jaago, wouldn't you do that because you investigated them? If so, why would you switch to Aman who you don't make inference to investigating him? And if Spigot is mafia why was he the first to vote for FBZ?
However to Sitro claim that I am just a townie, I said so on day 1. It just happens to be that the others he investigated are well unavailable to confirm beyond me. So here my "Yup" you are right Sitro I am just a townie confirmation. +1 to you Sitro.
By you're inference of "Noammr - Mason - Targetted by mafia on Night 3" you show here that you believe Aman's claim of deflection so why semi trusted for him?
This game is getting very juicy
@Nolecub It doesn't matter,what does is if you will take one for the team and protect one of the 2 claiming to be cop. As you voted for Spigot if he is lynched and is mafia the mafia will kill Sitro tonight. If Spigot is innocent we will more than likely lynch Sitro. The only out for Sitro now since he is taking a leap voting for Spigot while having not investigated him and leading the charge on him. So if wrong about Spigot doesn't mean Sitro is guilty and he could be NK'd tonight.
So doc, what are you going to do? Save your neck or roll the dice on Sitro. Like I said to Aman are you going to put your money were your mouth is?
@Soy post 550 is the correct order
But fans don't rest yet the show could be more complicated... If Spigot turns up cop... then you got to flip over the trusted list. Now its who claims cop first with write up vs infered cop.
However if you (person reading now) consider this assumping Spigot is the cop and hint like Spigot did here about Jaago, wouldn't you do that because you investigated them? If so, why would you switch to Aman who you don't make inference to investigating him? And if Spigot is mafia why was he the first to vote for FBZ?
However to Sitro claim that I am just a townie, I said so on day 1. It just happens to be that the others he investigated are well unavailable to confirm beyond me. So here my "Yup" you are right Sitro I am just a townie confirmation. +1 to you Sitro.
By you're inference of "Noammr - Mason - Targetted by mafia on Night 3" you show here that you believe Aman's claim of deflection so why semi trusted for him?
This game is getting very juicy
@Nolecub It doesn't matter,what does is if you will take one for the team and protect one of the 2 claiming to be cop. As you voted for Spigot if he is lynched and is mafia the mafia will kill Sitro tonight. If Spigot is innocent we will more than likely lynch Sitro. The only out for Sitro now since he is taking a leap voting for Spigot while having not investigated him and leading the charge on him. So if wrong about Spigot doesn't mean Sitro is guilty and he could be NK'd tonight.
So doc, what are you going to do? Save your neck or roll the dice on Sitro. Like I said to Aman are you going to put your money were your mouth is?
@Soy post 550 is the correct order
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
We have that avenue if Spigot turns up innocent.
In my mind we have 5 'confirmed' townies: Me, Soy, Noammr, Jaago, and aman with aman barely making the cut.
As I state before, the mafia are in a prediciment about who to NK tonight.
Alliances have been set, so if one turns dirty the other should fall quickly.
If anyone still has doubts about me, lynch me.
My entire plan this game was to keep just enough suspicion with the town as to not get NK'd as the mafia would keep me around to get lynched the next day. Seems to have worked out pretty good.
As far as tonight's heal....that will depend on today's lynch as to where I go with it. If Jaago truly is the white mage who protected himself last night, he should be ok tonight.
aman claims to be able to take care of himself and to tell you the truth, I would feel better if he were dead. (no offense)
Of course, my intentions could be changed involuntarily so...meh.
We have that avenue if Spigot turns up innocent.
In my mind we have 5 'confirmed' townies: Me, Soy, Noammr, Jaago, and aman with aman barely making the cut.
As I state before, the mafia are in a prediciment about who to NK tonight.
Alliances have been set, so if one turns dirty the other should fall quickly.
If anyone still has doubts about me, lynch me.
My entire plan this game was to keep just enough suspicion with the town as to not get NK'd as the mafia would keep me around to get lynched the next day. Seems to have worked out pretty good.
As far as tonight's heal....that will depend on today's lynch as to where I go with it. If Jaago truly is the white mage who protected himself last night, he should be ok tonight.
aman claims to be able to take care of himself and to tell you the truth, I would feel better if he were dead. (no offense)
Of course, my intentions could be changed involuntarily so...meh.
MassiveSin
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Don't assume you will have the chance to call it out in advance once a lynch happens. (I assume here you'll do the same as you dd before and announce who you protect)
Well good night folks see you in the AM... (maybe) *knocks on wood*
Don't assume you will have the chance to call it out in advance once a lynch happens. (I assume here you'll do the same as you dd before and announce who you protect)
Well good night folks see you in the AM... (maybe) *knocks on wood*
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Not arguing but explaining.
1. I didn't investigate Thyiad after I knew she was dead. You've been the cop yourself so you know that the mafia send their PM's to Ray at the same time that I send mine to Ray to investigate a person. Remember that the game starts with Night 1, so at the same time that I was investigating Thyiad, Thyiad was being killed by the mafia. IRL it might be different of course, but within this game all I found out was that the person I had just investigated had just been killed.
2. I haven't only investigated those who have turned up dead at the same time. In fact, I investigated Ankeli and found him to be a plain townie on Night 2, and he subsequently had Noammr's kill deflected onto him on Night 3. In addition, I tried to explain my motives in selecting each investigation target each night in the post where I revealed myself as the cop. I wasn't trying to predict who was likely to be killed, but trying to get more information for myself.
3. To help me explain this, I'm going to take a quote from aman's first post after he was released from detainment (Actually from Day 3 because Day 2 was skipped):
As you can see, the hints as to his role have been there right from the start. In his subsequent posts he carries on making allusions to the same role and to a wider audience of the entire town. I actually spotted this early on, on the day itself and the play that followed has matched closely what I would have expected if he was able to be trusted. Jaago's quote that was being discussed yesterday also relates to this.
4. The specific statements about Ankeli relate to Hey's reaction to the 'wrong' person being nk'ed, as far as I can tell. On the other hand, I chose to investigate him and was given definitive proof that he was a townie. Notice how Ankeli disappears from the Mafia Points table after he died, but more importantly, after I found him to be townie.
5. Actually, being reluctant to vote can be a mafia tell. It boils down to stalling the possibility of a lynch that day, which nullifies the risk that a mafia member will be lynched that day and essentially gives the mafia a free kill. It could be a townie worried about hitting the wrong target, but this in itself is bad play. I tend to end up arguing at the start of each mafia game the merits of having a lynch with as much reasoning behind it as possible. As such, if a townie is unsure about the present lynch options then the best play is to look back through the thread and find a target they would be happy to lynch. I wouldn't especially trust anyone who was anti-lynch, even in the early stages of the game.
You're right in that it is a coincidence that so many of my investigative targets have since died. But then, this is approaching the endgame and so you could probably expect that. Had I known beforehand who would survive to this point then I would have altered some of my decisions - swap Thyiad for spigot maybe, or Orphan for BobTheWarrior. However, I couldn't have known that then and so tried to investigate the target I felt would give me the best information each night.
MassiveSin: Who in their right minds trusts a player who says "I'm a townie"? I wasn't sure about how you were playing this game and so you had to be investigated at some point. I'm sure if you had shown mafia and I called you on it you'd still refer back to your day 1 posts and get me lynched because of those.
Good call on the logic error of mine though. I think I implied trust in aman by default by listing Noammr and Soylentred as trusted townies. As a correction I suggest that either aman is moved to the Trusted list or Noammr and Soylentred are moved to the Semi-Trusted. In light of this I think all three are probably pro-town.
If the town lynches spigot, then I think I need to be saved by a doctor tonight. If the town decides to lynch me tomorrow, then so be it. I'll have another night to conduct an investigation and report that in the morning. If the town does lynch me, then they'll know whether to believe me or not based on whether I show cop or mafia upon my death. And since I know I'll show as cop, the town at least gets to learn the results of one more investigation.
I think at this time there are three cases, and I should just need the one more to determine which we are in:
spigot is townie => BobTheWarrior and Erwwwd are both mafia
spigot is mafia => One of BobTheWarrior or Erwwwd are mafia. I investigate one and if they show townie, we lynch the other.
Not arguing but explaining.
1. I didn't investigate Thyiad after I knew she was dead. You've been the cop yourself so you know that the mafia send their PM's to Ray at the same time that I send mine to Ray to investigate a person. Remember that the game starts with Night 1, so at the same time that I was investigating Thyiad, Thyiad was being killed by the mafia. IRL it might be different of course, but within this game all I found out was that the person I had just investigated had just been killed.
2. I haven't only investigated those who have turned up dead at the same time. In fact, I investigated Ankeli and found him to be a plain townie on Night 2, and he subsequently had Noammr's kill deflected onto him on Night 3. In addition, I tried to explain my motives in selecting each investigation target each night in the post where I revealed myself as the cop. I wasn't trying to predict who was likely to be killed, but trying to get more information for myself.
3. To help me explain this, I'm going to take a quote from aman's first post after he was released from detainment (Actually from Day 3 because Day 2 was skipped):
As you can see, the hints as to his role have been there right from the start. In his subsequent posts he carries on making allusions to the same role and to a wider audience of the entire town. I actually spotted this early on, on the day itself and the play that followed has matched closely what I would have expected if he was able to be trusted. Jaago's quote that was being discussed yesterday also relates to this.
4. The specific statements about Ankeli relate to Hey's reaction to the 'wrong' person being nk'ed, as far as I can tell. On the other hand, I chose to investigate him and was given definitive proof that he was a townie. Notice how Ankeli disappears from the Mafia Points table after he died, but more importantly, after I found him to be townie.
5. Actually, being reluctant to vote can be a mafia tell. It boils down to stalling the possibility of a lynch that day, which nullifies the risk that a mafia member will be lynched that day and essentially gives the mafia a free kill. It could be a townie worried about hitting the wrong target, but this in itself is bad play. I tend to end up arguing at the start of each mafia game the merits of having a lynch with as much reasoning behind it as possible. As such, if a townie is unsure about the present lynch options then the best play is to look back through the thread and find a target they would be happy to lynch. I wouldn't especially trust anyone who was anti-lynch, even in the early stages of the game.
You're right in that it is a coincidence that so many of my investigative targets have since died. But then, this is approaching the endgame and so you could probably expect that. Had I known beforehand who would survive to this point then I would have altered some of my decisions - swap Thyiad for spigot maybe, or Orphan for BobTheWarrior. However, I couldn't have known that then and so tried to investigate the target I felt would give me the best information each night.
MassiveSin: Who in their right minds trusts a player who says "I'm a townie"? I wasn't sure about how you were playing this game and so you had to be investigated at some point. I'm sure if you had shown mafia and I called you on it you'd still refer back to your day 1 posts and get me lynched because of those.
Good call on the logic error of mine though. I think I implied trust in aman by default by listing Noammr and Soylentred as trusted townies. As a correction I suggest that either aman is moved to the Trusted list or Noammr and Soylentred are moved to the Semi-Trusted. In light of this I think all three are probably pro-town.
If the town lynches spigot, then I think I need to be saved by a doctor tonight. If the town decides to lynch me tomorrow, then so be it. I'll have another night to conduct an investigation and report that in the morning. If the town does lynch me, then they'll know whether to believe me or not based on whether I show cop or mafia upon my death. And since I know I'll show as cop, the town at least gets to learn the results of one more investigation.
I think at this time there are three cases, and I should just need the one more to determine which we are in:
spigot is townie => BobTheWarrior and Erwwwd are both mafia
spigot is mafia => One of BobTheWarrior or Erwwwd are mafia. I investigate one and if they show townie, we lynch the other.
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Thank you.
You can see where I am coming from. Mafia kills ogogo - he is cop or they know they have killed the cop, so then just run through the NKs and claim you know who they are from investigation - plus some other roles that people have claimed themself. Jaago is not going to now say he is not a white mage if he isn't when he has you backing him up.
Thank you.
You can see where I am coming from. Mafia kills ogogo - he is cop or they know they have killed the cop, so then just run through the NKs and claim you know who they are from investigation - plus some other roles that people have claimed themself. Jaago is not going to now say he is not a white mage if he isn't when he has you backing him up.
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Yeah, you make good points. :smiley:
Unfortunately as luck would have it it's quite a weak position to be revealing my role from. However, I don't think I'd last much longer against the nk's as I'm making myself a gigantic pain in the backside to just about everyone, and before this would have been too early I think.
If you agree with my logic now, and feel that I'm making the right assumptions then it's still possible for the town to win this.
We still have 36 hours left of discussion today (I think), so hopefully that'll be productive too. I'll check back later, I need to get some sleep now.
Yeah, you make good points. :smiley:
Unfortunately as luck would have it it's quite a weak position to be revealing my role from. However, I don't think I'd last much longer against the nk's as I'm making myself a gigantic pain in the backside to just about everyone, and before this would have been too early I think.
If you agree with my logic now, and feel that I'm making the right assumptions then it's still possible for the town to win this.
We still have 36 hours left of discussion today (I think), so hopefully that'll be productive too. I'll check back later, I need to get some sleep now.
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
@SiTro's post- Well played, sir. I can't fault your logic at all at this point- any way this rolls out, it'll work in favor of the town.
Vote: Spigot
*waits for Spigot's counter cop-claim*
@Soy- I see where you're coming from but either he's a cop or he's giving himself away as mafia, the former should pretty much hand the game to the town and the later still leaves us better off then we were before his claim.
Besides, with so many power roles in play maybe we'll luck out and manage to prevent a nk. :jig:
@SiTro's post- Well played, sir. I can't fault your logic at all at this point- any way this rolls out, it'll work in favor of the town.
Vote: Spigot
*waits for Spigot's counter cop-claim*
@Soy- I see where you're coming from but either he's a cop or he's giving himself away as mafia, the former should pretty much hand the game to the town and the later still leaves us better off then we were before his claim.
Besides, with so many power roles in play maybe we'll luck out and manage to prevent a nk. :jig:
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
ok going with my buddy....
unvote
vote spigot
ok going with my buddy....
unvote
vote spigot
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
for the reasons you said - we have to choose one way or the other it seems.
for the reasons you said - we have to choose one way or the other it seems.
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
I'm guessing you've already locked me, so I don't think I have a lot left that I can do. I don't have a problem with you lynching me, it takes another variable from the equation and I think its pretty close now. I'm a plain townie for the record, I'm not going to counter-claim, as I don't think it would be helpful at this point. Lynch me, see the truth and then go after Sitro. Have fun!
