Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

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Aman shame on your for falling for Sitro's line of twaddle.
I really did think you were smarter than that.
 
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I can help with why you have mafia points.

1) You claim a role on day 1 when you have 2 or so votes
2) You attack Zhao who at that point looked quite pro town.


I'd like more info on your role
 
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I feel i owe you an explanation for my vote 95% of it is based purely on the mafia point system which is proving to be flawless.
 
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Just wondering why you are giving the most pro town person 2 points?

Actually I only gave myself one point. It was when I answered the question I suggested Ankeli ask me. The joke wasn't as funny the second time round.

...it was just SiTro being their usually flippant self...

That should be "selves" at the end of this fragment.

I'm glad you called it Penn & Teller because your table is laughable.
I remain weakly at the top of your table because it is a weak table and there is nothing solid that put me there.
I claimed a role. I said it was a small townie role.
I think most people know what that means if you don't.
Would giving my role satisfy you - I don't see the point but I will if you want.
We have mostly agreed on the purpose of your table - write 2000 words and put your ill supported table at the bottom and the non-thinking voters will just jump to the table and not read the fabricated 'supporting' evidence.
Who was on your table last time? I will go check and I'm sure I will laugh again.
Can you tell again exactly why I'm on the top of your table - keep it brief for the non readers.
Also a significant number of people have supported me - that should give me some points back on your table. Go back and read the number of people and why they switched off their vote for me the first time. Get with the now!

The following points roughly correspond with your unformatted lines:

1. The table is not laughable. Do not insult the table.

2. You remain (strictly at the moment) at the top of the table because you behave suspiciously. Stop behaving suspiciously and you stop gaining Mafia Points. Stop gaining MP's and someone else can overtake you. Simple.

2.5. When I used the term 'weakly' I meant it in a mathematical sense. There were times when you had equal points to the next highest contestant. However in each case you had reached the magic number of Points first. Go figure.

3. No player would ever claim to be mafia. If a mafioso does it's suicide and if a townie does then they are lying. And the town should always lynch a liar.

4. How could you know this? Is the mafia 11 people strong of the remaining 12 and I'm still in the dark about all this. Just what do most people think it means anyway?

5. Two votes against you and again you reach so soon for the role claim. You're still not in any real danger so why not try and defend yourself in some other way. Show me where my assumptions are wrong, for example. (The table is a method, not an assumption)

6. Actually the table was at the top of my last post. And if you'd noticed, since yesterday I'm only posting the table once per day, so that during the day itself the town can rely on my reasoning to work out who the mafia are.

7. Here's a shortcut: link.

8. Because you have the highest number of Mafia Points. Technically, you are only in second place at the moment as Hey has a higher number.

9. I'm sure if a significant number of people tell me that 2*2=5 I'd probably believe that as well. But I will go back and see why people switched off voting for you. As I recall it was largely a combination of little reasoning or "well we might as well lynch someone". So that's probably mafia securing a townie lynch and trigger happy bandwagoners. But I'll wipe my mind and get a second opinion.

Get with the now?

Oh and maybe there is nothing similar to me hinting that I am the cop for a good reason. You fault me for not hinting I am a cop in this game too - you make no sense at all.
Your logic is so faulty but you accompany it with your chart and sucker some people.
I would say to all - look at who pushes for my lynch - they are your mafia members.

I'm saying that when I've seen you playing a town role in the past it's been broadcasted. And I'm comparing the difference.

I've gone over the chart before.

As to your third point, the town wouldn't have lynched a mafia member yesterday if aman hadn't wildly voted for him and kept up the pressure. Even I found it hard to understand at first.



 
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The Voice of Reason does not believe Noammr is innocent.
He knows.

Sitro sitro sitro...accompany accusing fingures with info or or don't point them at all. Sad to see you've brought the table back and, I think it's the tool of the devil and wholly agree with soy's words on that matter.

With that approch in mind, I have to ask aman to clarify upon his claims, especially concerning night 3 and your role in it and especially before calling someone else to do the same...after all, you're tipping your hand, and we both know that means you won't be surviving long unless you're mafia (That hint today would be kinda convinient if you were a maf, wouldn't it?). The mafia know what happened, so there's really no reason to throw up vague comments about it. You blocked thier kill? Who were they trying to off (me?)? Why do you think it likely ank was mafia? These are all questions you need to answer before I can fully trust you. Even though you supported me as pro-town I need to hear some clean cut facts before I'm rid of my doubts, whaddya say? (Yeah, I'm paranoid. call it a survival trait). Aside from that, I dislike hints, they're an excellent way of making us assume whatever we think is likely instead of giving us a chance to question claims.
Hope this doesn't come off as hostile, I still tend to think you're on the angels side, Aman. :innocent:

With all that in mind, I'm suprised that you went with sitro and voted for Soy again after we've been through it on day one already...I won't repet my reasoning from that day but If Soy is mafia, I will eat my hat, my Lodge and a sandwich (mmm...sandwich... *drool*). I'll video and upload it too.
@sitro- I believe a number of people have already said that they accept Soy's claims and won't lynch her based on day 1. And iirc the last time soy played cop and broadcasted it, she got outed and nked by day 4 with the encourgment of the town traitor, maybe she's learned from that experience?

On the matter of Orphan...Don't really get Aman's reasoning. I expected them to take out a more prominent figure instead of someone who's barely posted. Even if they decided to aviod Aman, there's plenty of other more active players they could take out. Will have to think this over.

I'll probably be absent for most of tomorrow, but I'll be back long before the day ends.
Cheers and have a good one.


 
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I think you read my post in a different light to which it was intended. The Voice of Reason knows whther or not you are townie. I don't though, He shares not the full depths of His wisdom. I like the way that you call on me to give supporting arguments and figures when pointing fingers, then go on to lambast the use of the table.

If Soy learned from the last game not to hint at what role she had why has she now claimed an unknown role twice now when she reached two votes against her?
 
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Noammr said:
Who were they trying to off (me?)? Why do you think it likely ank was mafia?

They tried to kill you, I stepped in and took matters into my own hands.

The Fact Ankeli is not you makes it likely he's mafia, he also had quite a few mafia points and figured he'd be as good as anyone to take the fall for you.
 
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I can help with why you have mafia points.

1) You claim a role on day 1 when you have 2 or so votes
2) You attack Zhao who at that point looked quite pro town.


I'd like more info on your role

1. I claimed a small role and then went on to explain that with our numbers it would be hard for a townie not to have one role or another. See I made a chart too.

2. Attack ? I was on the defense the whole time and Zhao reversed his opinion about me as others did.

You would like more info on my role and yet others say it is foolish when there are only two votes against me.
Sitro marking me down for not behaving as I did last game - guess what - it's a new game.
It is funny I have been called out for comparing this game to last game - in my supposition of the roles that MIGHT be in play for example and then called out for not behaving the same this one - not pretending I am the cop in this one - ridiculous.
No one person has spent as much time defending themself in this game (to no end with some people). Perhaps someone wants to read back through the 3 games I have been in and see that I have never not been straight up, open and truthful about everything I have said or claimed.
Does no one think Sitro is suspicious. I sure do.
Aman I am waiting- for now I am believing you are pro-town. I believe if you continue to live through the night soon the town will think you are mafia and lynch you so you are done anyway. I don't support that just now - but it is what will probably happen.

Sitro - tell me was I not one of the first to vote to lynch Hey and I never wavered. Look back at my vote. I don't think mafia are so fast to pile onto one of their own.


 
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I'm starting to get a horrible feeling.

I think the best purpose that the crooked cops role could be put to in the early game would be to give credibility to Mafia members.

Imprisoning townies early very slightly reduces the amount of voters in the pool, however It also reduces the camouflage effect of large numbers.

I also don't like Aman's role-claim, he appears to be claiming both investigative and killing powers, I think that would make for a grossly over-powered townie role. I'm wondering whether voting for hey early on was a camouflage technique, or just that he didn't know that hey was the crooked cop (this role acts independently remember).

Thoughts?
 
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You've missed the point, I've tried to explain where I was coming from and you've missed the point again. Ah well.

I looked back and checked your vote for Hey and you were right on that. On the other hand it could just mean that by the time you wanted to unvote too many people had also voted for him for it not to look suspicious. A conundrum.

I was originally going to unvote you in my previous post because it amused me. Then you insulted the table and in my red haze I vowed not to unvote in that post. Now I'm in a more light-hearted mood so I'm going to...

Unvote

Lets see if MassiveSin can be funny too.

Vote: MassiveSin
 
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Where did i claim investigating?

I don't kill directly, lets call it redirecting.
 
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spigot: It's possible that aman can be pro-town and yet carry out the actions he claims. It's not a new role either.
 
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Wow, thats a pretty 1337 role huh? Hope the mafia don't have anything that powerful to balance it out.

I think I'm seeing more of a picture, but need to go back and check more stuff. Its 1 am here, and we still have plenty of day left so I'm going to leave it there for now, try and go back through carefully (keep saying I'm going to do it, but something always seems to get in the way, maybe its just the prospect of facing all those 2000 word sitro-essays again :tongue:)
 
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I just re-read the votes on Hey.
I was first or second in. Aman at some point said I think Hey is good choice for lynch and voeted Hey. Sitro voted Hey.
Interestingly - Spigot - this caught me at the time but I put it aside- Spigot voted a single vote against no one anyone else was aiming at (ogogo?) got involved in the decision to lynch Hey as if he agreed. Said something like you are right and unvoted but never did come in and vote for Hey. This was well before the lock so his voting Hey at that point would have had weight.
I am going to read it again - pretty sure I got it right. It struck me at the time - Spigot is throwing away his vote and pretending to be involved in the Hey vote but then doesn't.

Vote Spigot


Also Sitro and Aman - if I am so suspicious how did I beat both of you in voting to lynch Hey?
 
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Actually spigot voted for Hey first, then you voted for him citing other peoples comments.
Hey comes to the thread and posts some analysis.
Hey actually gets up to about four or five votes before spigot unvotes and votes for ogogo on ice instead. He says he's currently voting to incite people into taking part in the discussion.
Despite ogogo on ice never responding to that, spigot later unvotes and at the end of the day isn't voting for anyone.

I'm not really sure what to think of all that so I'll have to take some time to analyse it all.
 
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Not between posts #200 and #229. Ignore the first segment of the penultimate line if you want, but it wasn't due to you posting that he withdrew his vote.
 
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Actually spigot voted for Hey first, then you voted for him citing other peoples comments.
Hey comes to the thread and posts some analysis.
Hey actually gets up to about four or five votes before spigot unvotes and votes for ogogo on ice instead. He says he's currently voting to incite people into taking part in the discussion.
Despite ogogo on ice never responding to that, spigot later unvotes and at the end of the day isn't voting for anyone.

I'm not really sure what to think of all that so I'll have to take some time to analyse it all.

You are right - I just read back and my refresh takes forever.
Spigot voted Hey on post 200, unvoted on 230. Never got back and voted for Hey.

So I got that wrong.

I was second on the vote at post 211 and when spigot unvoted I was first.
So how am I still suspicious?

Unvote Spigot


 
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