LLD lvl 9 char suggestions/help

SpacedOut said:
didn't know the angelic armor gave +1 skill bonues, but anyways I'll try it out tonight and have some fun :) ty~
Just a slight correction- it's the amulet that gives the +1 skill bonus when you are wearing three (different type) items from the set. So amulet + ring + armor gives +1 skill from the amulet. Amulet + 2 rings only counts are two types so you don't get the +1 skill in that case.
 
Hay, theres LLD here too! GREEEET! Granted, most of my knowledge is based on XPAC, but I had a few interesting private discussions with classic players, and know a few extra tricks. Mind you, I'm workig form a HC perspective here, so if I forget "essential" stuff like life leech its because I never bother. Still, dont discard any of my ideas ;)

A clvl 9 dueller... here we go.

Firstly, don't ever forget Civerb's Cudgel. For Clvl 9 with no real stat reqs apart from some Strength, its an ideal toy for a basher barbie. It adds 17-23 to damage, and then another +9 for the level of the barb.

As for a level 9 amulet, harass normal andy untill she drops a nice rare with +5 str/dex and other usefull mods. She will drop it eventually... just might take an week or two ;). In fact, mining normal Andy will provide you with most of the LLD gear you'll need for level 9.

Level 9 means two +80 AR rings. Presoj are cute, but they wont help you hit better. The AR rings will. If you can't find two +80 AR rings (likely), try and find some nagelrings.

As far as the armor goes, err, well, a good rare might be nice, if not, you'll need something that adds some stats. At that leve they are hard to come by... but Greyform, since its usable at level 7, adds 10 dex. Not that you need it very much though if you're not using clegs sword. However, for a Basher Barbie, if you're willing to dish out the strenght, try getitng hold of the Berserkers Armor. It adds +1 to all barb skills and actually is very nice for that.

Then theres the gloves, belt and boots. Gloves+Belt ideally is deaths, boots should be Hsarus or Gorefoot for the +2 leap (added mobility bonus ^_^) But Hsarus adds some resistance, and that's really nice. But don't forget Bloodfist (my personal favorite), 40 to life, 30 FHR, 10% IAS and 5 to minimal damage make it pretty much the best gloves ever. ever ever. ever ever ever. For LLD that is.

Shieldwise, well, a Bone Shield of Deflecting springs to mind. It has a decent block value and a lot of faster block. But ideally, a pelta lunata beats it for more life, energy, fast block etc. Umbral disk is also certainly worth looking at. Less life, but +10 dex and a high block value make it a good candidate.

And lastly, the helmet, well, this depends on the rest of the gear. If you used a Berserkers Armor you shoudl really go with the helmet too as it adds 8 AR per level, which is nice. Plus, the two together add 50 life, which is quite a nice bonus, and the armor also gains some additional defense.

So, how would my basher barbie look in classic, ideally?

stats:

14 Str, rest (9*5, so 29) into Vit

Skills:
Assume a normal PA, so 12 skills points ot distribute (8 form levels, 4 from quests)

9 to bash
3 in mace mastery

Gear:
rare +5 str ammy+@ boni (ar is nice)
two +80 AR rings
Deaths Sash
Bloodfist
Hsarus Boots
Berserkers Headgear
Berserkers Armor
Pelta Lunata
Civerbs Cudgel

That brings us to:
Life:
55 starting, 2 per level up, 8 level ups makes 18
18 life form levelups
116 life form stats
40 life from bloodfist
40 life from pelta (10 vit=40 life)
50 life from berserkers
20 life form life quest:
339 life

Str 51 (16 from stats, 2 from pelta, 5 from ammy)
Dex: base
Vit: 64
Energy: 20 (10 form pelta)
Blocking: 44% or something (too lazy, go look up yourself)
AR: well, dunno the end AR, but you've just added 160 ar from rings + 72 AR from the berserkers set, so its going to be somewhere around 500-600 methinks. Not bad.
Defense: same here, no idea, but 200-300 at the least.

Damage: I have on clue. Really. +9 from bash, then hopefully a perfect civerbsfor +23 and another +9 from your clvl.

I'd go with that for a level 9 basher.
 
Baranor said:
Hay, theres LLD here too! GREEEET! Granted, most of my knowledge is based on XPAC, but I had a few interesting private discussions with classic players, and know a few extra tricks. Mind you, I'm workig form a HC perspective here, so if I forget "essential" stuff like life leech its because I never bother. Still, dont discard any of my ideas ;)

A clvl 9 dueller... here we go.

Firstly, don't ever forget Civerb's Cudgel. For Clvl 9 with no real stat reqs apart from some Strength, its an ideal toy for a basher barbie. It adds 17-23 to damage, and then another +9 for the level of the barb.

As for a level 9 amulet, harass normal andy untill she drops a nice rare with +5 str/dex and other usefull mods. She will drop it eventually... just might take an week or two ;). In fact, mining normal Andy will provide you with most of the LLD gear you'll need for level 9.

Level 9 means two +80 AR rings. Presoj are cute, but they wont help you hit better. The AR rings will. If you can't find two +80 AR rings (likely), try and find some nagelrings.

As far as the armor goes, err, well, a good rare might be nice, if not, you'll need something that adds some stats. At that leve they are hard to come by... but Greyform, since its usable at level 7, adds 10 dex. Not that you need it very much though if you're not using clegs sword. However, for a Basher Barbie, if you're willing to dish out the strenght, try getitng hold of the Berserkers Armor. It adds +1 to all barb skills and actually is very nice for that.

Then theres the gloves, belt and boots. Gloves+Belt ideally is deaths, boots should be Hsarus or Gorefoot for the +2 leap (added mobility bonus ^_^) But Hsarus adds some resistance, and that's really nice. But don't forget Bloodfist (my personal favorite), 40 to life, 30 FHR, 10% IAS and 5 to minimal damage make it pretty much the best gloves ever. ever ever. ever ever ever. For LLD that is.

Shieldwise, well, a Bone Shield of Deflecting springs to mind. It has a decent block value and a lot of faster block. But ideally, a pelta lunata beats it for more life, energy, fast block etc. Umbral disk is also certainly worth looking at. Less life, but +10 dex and a high block value make it a good candidate.

And lastly, the helmet, well, this depends on the rest of the gear. If you used a Berserkers Armor you shoudl really go with the helmet too as it adds 8 AR per level, which is nice. Plus, the two together add 50 life, which is quite a nice bonus, and the armor also gains some additional defense.

So, how would my basher barbie look in classic, ideally?

stats:

14 Str, rest (9*5, so 29) into Vit

Skills:
Assume a normal PA, so 12 skills points ot distribute (8 form levels, 4 from quests)

9 to bash
3 in mace mastery

Gear:
rare +5 str ammy+@ boni (ar is nice)
two +80 AR rings
Deaths Sash
Bloodfist
Hsarus Boots
Berserkers Headgear
Berserkers Armor
Pelta Lunata
Civerbs Cudgel

That brings us to:
Life:
55 starting, 2 per level up, 8 level ups makes 18
18 life form levelups
116 life form stats
40 life from bloodfist
40 life from pelta (10 vit=40 life)
50 life from berserkers
20 life form life quest:
339 life

Str 51 (16 from stats, 2 from pelta, 5 from ammy)
Dex: base
Vit: 64
Energy: 20 (10 form pelta)
Blocking: 44% or something (too lazy, go look up yourself)
AR: well, dunno the end AR, but you've just added 160 ar from rings + 72 AR from the berserkers set, so its going to be somewhere around 500-600 methinks. Not bad.
Defense: same here, no idea, but 200-300 at the least.

Damage: I have on clue. Really. +9 from bash, then hopefully a perfect civerbsfor +23 and another +9 from your clvl.

I'd go with that for a level 9 basher.

That looks like a solid build, but i think in lld you can sacrifice the fhr from bloodfist and use deaths sash to hit the next breakpoint (does it?) Mabye even use full clegs set... that will grant you ar, some resist, CRUSHING BLOW, its faster, and does more damage than civerbs at that lvl including the ds.

I would also use a rare 30/20 bone w/ 10 fhr + dtm in favor of pelta












Fred
 
uggg...."SlowDown" items in duels? Come on guys! Leave the Cleg gloves and General's Tans out of the duels. It gets boring real fast.
 
earthrug said:
uggg...."SlowDown" items in duels? Come on guys! Leave the Cleg gloves and General's Tans out of the duels. It gets boring real fast.

I agree with you that slows target is very lame, however, if your using clegs shield + sword you may as well complete the set for yummy crushing blow + ar O.o :)








Fred
 
Ya, the whole set (clegs)has alot of fun bonuses. I should not be so harsh on clegs. The amount of slow it has, really doesnt effect a lld that much. I guess I am just "bugged" out at the amount of peeps' who seem to be showing up for duels with good old General Tans. Dueled one guy using Generals, Clegs gloves and holy freeze. GeeWizzz.......I guess its fun for him.
 
I think gnasher might be the perfect LLD weapon
I need to figure out which character would benefit most of it, but while leveilng my smiter I found that you can stun the enemies with smite, switch to normal attack, hit them with gnasher so wounds are opened, stun with shield, repeat.

I dont know, if only the crushing blow is done by smite; the open wounds seem not to trigger if I attack with shield.
Im level 12 now, I will try swordback later :-)

on the other hand a charger with the fire aura might be best for level 12-15?


if I had a Bane Ash (+5firebolt) I would try a sorc
still the problem is that there are 0 LLD games on europe non-ladder

Ive only met few level 12 and 15 chargers
and some guy who had a palladin which had only life replenish items (2 rings, amu, 3skull helm...) - unfortuantely I havent duelled him
 
fledgeling said:
I think gnasher might be the perfect LLD weapon
I need to figure out which character would benefit most of it, but while leveilng my smiter I found that you can stun the enemies with smite, switch to normal attack, hit them with gnasher so wounds are opened, stun with shield, repeat.

I dont know, if only the crushing blow is done by smite; the open wounds seem not to trigger if I attack with shield.
Im level 12 now, I will try swordback later :-)

on the other hand a charger with the fire aura might be best for level 12-15?


if I had a Bane Ash (+5firebolt) I would try a sorc
still the problem is that there are 0 LLD games on europe non-ladder

Ive only met few level 12 and 15 chargers
and some guy who had a palladin which had only life replenish items (2 rings, amu, 3skull helm...) - unfortuantely I havent duelled him

The +5 firebolt staff us useless no matter what, trust me. Your sorc will do tiny damage with or without it. If you want to make an lld sorc, ice blast or fire ball are way better choises.

And the damage added from holy fire to charge is very small compared to the damage bonus you get from might, so stick with 1 point charge and rest to might. Holy fire is OK on an LLD zealer though.

I havent had any experience with smiters though so i wont comment on that.
 
fledgeling said:
I dont know, if only the crushing blow is done by smite; the open wounds seem not to trigger if I attack with shield.
Im level 12 now, I will try swordback later :-)
Crushing Blow and Open Wounds can be triggered with smite. Gnasher makes a pretty nice smiter weapon if you are willing to deal with the slow attack speed. Blood Crescent has O/W and gives alot faster smite. I open with Gnasher then switch to Crescent when opponent's life gets around half. This is on a level 12 smiter. Not too fun to use, but it gets the job done.
 
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