Justification for cheating?

[Lord Chaos]

Yeah, I have the same problem with monsters. Do you have any idea how many monsters spawn? It's ALOT... and for each and every one you have to stop and click on it, hit it and then kill it... completely pointless.

Thus I believe there should be a third-party program to kill all the monsters for us! They should all drop dead as soon as they are within range so we don't waste our time with the tedious business of doing stuff in the game.

Now if you had to take off every monster by themselves, then kill it by itself before you could get on the next monster...then I might agree with you. And sockets doesn't give you levels.

 

[Lord Chaos]

You are making things up. A very small percentage of people were banned illigitimately since 1.09, and this is still not proven (e.g. "I only used pindlebot once!"). For the most part, the jerks get the jerk.

If it makes you feel better to believe this...go right ahead.

 

[sasja]

If it makes you feel better to believe this...go right ahead.

Well, thank you very much, I think we will. Honestly, why not give your vague accusations and hints a rest. In case you didn't know, no legit player on these boards was banned, and that should tell you that if any legit people were banned it was a very small minority.

Now if you had to take off every monster by themselves, then kill it by itself before you could get on the next monster...then I might agree with you. And sockets doesn't give you levels.

Well, if you have to do anything tedious to gain levels, why not use a third party program to avoid being bored?

 

[Usufruct]

If it makes you feel better to believe this...go right ahead.

You know what, I'm sick of your veiled pseudo-trolling. I'm reporting this thread as it obviously is going nowhere.

 

[Wolv]

If you enjoy the game by killing/clearing monsters everywhere you go, thats great. After doing it countless times it became boring to me.

I do, however, find it enjoyable to mf and build new chars thru rushing. It feels a lil like christmas when I mf. Trading for that hard-to-get IK armor is satisfying when accomplished. And achieving the goal of finally gettin that zerk barb to lvl 76 for full IK feels great.

I have a job n kids to take care of. I have limited playing time (unlike many of you). When I fire up the pc to play D2 I have goals in mind - getting items I need, mfing, building chars. I want to get from pt A to B as quickly as possible. If I went sans-mh I'd run past all the monsters lookin for entrances - killin em wastes my time unless i have a goal. MH facilitates my goals. For me, the end DOES justify the means.

My point is this. You enjoy playing the game by playing it like it was meant to be played. I applaud you. For me, the game has morphed into something different, but just the same, I ENJOY playing it. For many (I daresay the majority) of players it has morphed also. When its all said n done, and I have all my chars lvld and geared up, I'll stop playing. Why? Cuz I achieved my goals. I'm not interested in clearing groups of monsters w/ my IK zerk barb anymore. Its the same over and over again. The game itself has no new goals. Nothing dynamic.

I could also achieve my goals thru scamming, duping and hacking. I find those methods distasteful tho, and would never do that.

Thats the reason I like MH. Again, I envy those who continue to enjoy the game the way it was intentionally made. I can't do it tho. But don't force yer gaming choice upon me please. I'm very content w/ mine. Yes I know I can get banned for it. I'm prepared for that. But I'm not worried about it either.

I'm done w/ this thread...sorry to have gotten into it.

 

[Zkin]

this is simple.
If u cant play the game, learn to play it without trying to cheat

Maphack is cheating. by using maphack you admit u cant play the game without shortcuts,

no matter what u say, if you use maphack, you are a cheater.
And that means you cant play the game, you would have difficulties even trying to finish normal lvl of the game.

(oh by the way, just cuz youre using maphack it doesnt make u a hacker.) (not intended at anyone in particular. just generall ranting. )

 

[Lord Chaos]

this is simple.
If u cant play the game, learn to play it without trying to cheat

Maphack is cheating. by using maphack you admit u cant play the game without shortcuts,

no matter what u say, if you use maphack, you are a cheater.
And that means you cant play the game, you would have difficulties even trying to finish normal lvl of the game.

(oh by the way, just cuz youre using maphack it doesnt make u a hacker.) (not intended at anyone in particular. just generall ranting. )

*shrugs*...I have been playing ladder without maphack for quite a while now.

Having found a much better thing (getting tons of runes) completely legit, within the game and without thirdparty tools...I am quite happy...and so you should all be, after all, you've said 2 things, whatever is IN the game is FAIR and its LEGIT...its all black and white, ain't it?

As for reporting the thread...well, it will most likely get locked eventually...but to bash my pseudotrolling, when you have pseudotrolled all the way through is a rather silly thing to do, yes?

 

[Zkin]

*shrugs*...I have been playing ladder without maphack for quite a while now.

Having found a much better thing (getting tons of runes) completely legit, within the game and without thirdparty tools...I am quite happy...and so you should all be, after all, you've said 2 things, whatever is IN the game is FAIR and its LEGIT...its all black and white, ain't it?

As for reporting the thread...well, it will most likely get locked eventually...but to bash my pseudotrolling, when you have pseudotrolled all the way through is a rather silly thing to do, yes?

so ?

why defend it then ?
why use it then.

why bother ?

 

[suggestivename]

As for reporting the thread...well, it will most likely get locked eventually...but to bash my pseudotrolling, when you have pseudotrolled all the way through is a rather silly thing to do, yes?

Wrong, since Usufruct is the resident community forum psuedotroll, you have threatened his position. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

Fight to the death, now.

 

[Usufruct]

I was taking the troll bait there is a difference.

The other difference is, that I'm right.

(speaking of bait)

 

[Dredd]

Thus I believe there should be a third-party program to kill all the monsters for us! They should all drop dead as soon as they are within range so we don't waste our time with the tedious business of doing stuff in the game.

I agree with Usufruct. Excellent post. It's just about the only hack that hasn't come out yet. Now that it's been mentioned, I'll give it about 3 months to be developed.

I always have hope that someday we can all sit down and discuss the pros and cons of Maphack in a constructive manner. Unfortunately, that day is not today. We continue to run the same circles around each other. About the only thing I've managed to learn in these six pages is that cheaters believe they are somehow entitled to break whatever rules they desire in spite of the fact that they play in a public arena where such things are frowned upon.

I think I'm going to take the time to continue this discussion in private with Mousepad himself. I'm interested in what he has to say about the arguments discussed in this thread.

My final thought is this: If Blizzard suddenly decided to create a pay-to-play realm with true anti-hacking support, I would be the first person to sign up.

*Flings one last handful of poo at maphack thread*

R.I.P.

 

[Lord Chaos]

It won't be constructive if you make things up, I never said it was an "entitlement".

What is a *fact* is that every player can break the rules with impunity and Blizzard can ban with impunity...and thats about it.

I'm interested in what he has to say about the arguments discussed in this thread.

If he honestly felt this didn't at all belong, why did he develop a program that works on closed battlenet? and why with all those features?

If Blizzard suddenly decided to create a pay-to-play realm with true anti-hacking support

MMOPRGs have been trying for years and failed...*shrugs*

I don't cheat on Ladder, never has and most likely never will...but I certainly can understand those features and why they are there.

 

[Wuhan_Clan]

Did you even read my Coke-bottlecap contest/colored-runes and sockets analogy from the page before?
Since you can just as easily pick up grey items and look carefully for runes, the only thing you are saving is time, which is like botting. Maphack lets you automatically see certain things to save you time like bots automatically lets you do more advanced things (such as MF) to save time.

 

[Dredd]

This thread is finished, Lord Chaos, time to let it go. AlterEgo is sniffing around here, and this baby might finally be getting locked down.

Someday maybe we can discuss this again. Until then, let's just agree to disagree. Fair enough?!

 

[Cloud_Walker]

I would hate for people to take this as a flame, but...

For those that possess enough intelligence to comprehend how the following statement shuts down this entire discussion:

Rules are rules.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Did you even read my Coke-bottlecap contest/colored-runes and sockets analogy from the page before?

Yes, it was a nice try...but not close enough to it. Anyway, this isn't going to change anything, everyone is going to keep having the same opinions.

As for the "rules are rules", yeah, and the "law is the law", yet a very large portion of people break the rules in one form or another, speeding, home safety rules, DUI, running lights, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Lord Chaos]

This thread is finished, Lord Chaos

Interesting how one side can just declare the thread "finished". Like I said earlier, there is only that fact, the rest is just words. We agree to disagree then.

 

[Dredd]

Don't play with words. This thread is finished because we are making absolutely no progress in either direction. We've flogged ye auld dead horse enough for awhile.

If he honestly felt this didn't at all belong, why did he develop a program that works on closed battlenet? and why with all those features?

I have heard many opinions from Mousepad fanboys, but nothing in his own words. Suffice it to say I would rather get answers from him. I am curious.

MMOPRGs have been trying for years and failed...*shrugs*

Ever hear of Everquest? Wouldn't exactly call that a 'failure' in the anti-hacking department. You cited UO, a perfect example of a game that has been hacked to shreds by 3rd party utility programs.

It won't be constructive if you make things up, I never said it was an "entitlement".

You don't have to say it. Your actions speak for themselves. I didn't "invent" anything.

As for the "rules are rules", yeah, and the "law is the law", yet a very large portion of people break the rules in one form or another, speeding, home safety rules, DUI, running lights, etc. etc. etc.

And here we go again with the whole "Everybody does it, therefore it's right" argument along with another shoddy analogy. Six pages ago the argument was the same. Here I am responding with the same retort. We sound like two broken records.

Time and time again I have said that I openly look at both sides of this debate. I do my best to be fair-minded. However, I do not see you returning that same courtesy to me.

Until that magic day appears when you and I can both respect and sympathize with each others complaints, I see no good that can come out of continuing this debate. I do not dislike you personally, Lord Chaos, in spite of the fact that you seem to think I am singling you out.

I declare this thread dead because you and I are both wasting our time by fighting with each other, not because I feel superior to you. Few are going to read this entire thread, even fewer are going to find anything constructive contained herein. I like posting here and I'm not going to risk getting banned by continuing to bicker with you.

Besides, I could have spent my time actually playing the game, which is a LOT more fun than whipping a dead horse.

 

[Cloud_Walker]

a very large portion of people break the rules in one form or another, speeding, home safety rules, DUI, running lights, etc. etc. etc.

I fail to see the significance of this statement.

 

[Cloud_Walker]

And Dredd, even though I may have agreed with what you are trying to say, don't declare the topic dead and post rebuttals of his arguments in the same post. lol