Justification for cheating?

[sasja]

No, none of us think that bnet is currently a place where people are on equal footing, thanks to you

Yes yes yes, my UM runes, my level 88 necro, my 0 annihilous and so on is sooooo much bringing Diablo 2 ladder out of footing, its draining down those hyper 10+ annihilous level 90+ characters who laugh at me on this forum because I don't have any 1337 ladder items...yes, I am so much to blame...*crys*

You really excel in taking a quote out of a context, don't you. Let me try again:

No, none of us think that bnet is currently a place where people are on equal footing, thanks to you and others who think like you

I couldn't care less if your cheating hasn't even made you rich, it's the fact that you and others like you cheat that makes it a place where people are not on equal footing - you have the benefit of the cheat, we don't.

 

[Lord Chaos]

PLEASE explain this to me. $350? Unless you bought about 4 copies of it there is no way it should cost you that much? Ebay?

Actually its more than that 5 copies of D2/LoD, DVD version and battlechest edition.

However, you've AGAIN proved my point... I'm sorry to say man, I've probably logged just as much time as you in my D2 career. But you know what? Just because I've played so much, I'm not ENTITLED to fight that monster. Go make him spawn in open or single player if you wanna fight him. I'm sorry if you dont get to fight him but you have no reason to think you're owed the chance.

Yes, because we all know that is reserved for the überleet people. *rollseyes*

 

[Lord Chaos]

You really excel in taking a quote out of a context, don't you. Let me try again:

It wasn't out of context.

I couldn't care less if your cheating hasn't even made you rich, it's the fact that you and others like you cheat that makes it a place where people are not on equal footing - you have the benefit of the cheat, we don't.

It just clearly shows that others have unfair advantages, one way or the other...heck most cheat or do otherwise...heck, it wouldn't surprise me that those against maphack are those people who cheat with more advanced programs and dupe...gotta keep the prices up.

 

[sasja]

It just clearly shows that others have unfair advantages, one way or the other...heck most cheat or do otherwise...heck, it wouldn't surprise me that those against maphack are those people who cheat with more advanced programs and dupe...gotta keep the prices up.

No, most people don't cheat, and even if they did, would that make it right? Accusing the people you've angered with your cheating for being cheaters themselves is just pathetic.

 

[Dredd]

It just clearly shows that others have unfair advantages, one way or the other...

You have yet to state just exactly what these mysterious "unfair advantages" are.

If neither you nor I were using Maphack, exactly what advantage do I have over you?

 

[Lord Chaos]

No, most people don't cheat, and even if they did, would that make it right? Accusing the people you've angered with your cheating for being cheaters themselves is just pathetic.

Yeah yeah, those truckloads of items many people describe here were all 100% legit, no aid whatsoever.

Anyway, your selfrightousness is dripping like sad venom.

 

[Mr Evil]

Yeah yeah, those truckloads of items many people describe here were all 100% legit, no aid whatsoever.

Anyway, your selfrightousness is dripping like sad venom.

What items exactly are you referring to? I can assure you that I personally do not cheat on the realms in any way (some people here are suggesting that IP hunting for DClone is cheating, but according to GFrazier as posted on the BNet forums, this behaviour is as good as officially condoned, presumably because it increases the number of SoJs sold), yet I have managed to accumulate plenty of excellent items,in fact I would describe myself as moderately rich, merely by playing the game in a normal non-cheating manner, mfing and trading. Anyway, what does it matter if you don't have a ton of godly items? Having a million Windforces doesn't make you happy you know.

 

[CookiesnCream]

Ok, let me ask you this question, which I don't think you can even answer...if I were to use maphack right now...how exactly would that be "not fair to you" when it has nada influence on your game.

Well if one person uses MH and one person doesn't use MH on MF runs, wouldn't the person with MH get done quicker therefore doing more Mf runs than the other peron? That is an unfair advantage to legit players. And in hardcore, MH makes life a lot easier. You can tell where all the monsters are so you clan plan ahead and avoid death. It's unfair to those players who constantly have to worry about what monsters are around the corner.

 

[Dredd]

I don't mean to put any pressure on you, Lord Chaos. But answer the question in my last post. You keep hinting at all these things yet you seem to be either hesistant or unable to clearly state your claim.

Yeah yeah, those truckloads of items many people describe here were all 100% legit, no aid whatsoever.

Here we go again. Another vague claim with no explanation behind it. I find it frustrating to debate this subject with you because you're not making yourself very clear. I want to understand you but you have to do better than this.

EDIT: ... and I would like to hear an answer before this thread gets locked, which is probably what is going to happen sooner or later.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Well if one person uses MH and one person doesn't use MH on MF runs, wouldn't the person with MH get done quicker therefore doing more Mf runs than the other peron? That is an unfair advantage to legit players. And in hardcore, MH makes life a lot easier. You can tell where all the monsters are so you clan plan ahead and avoid death. It's unfair to those players who constantly have to worry about what monsters are around the corner.

Lets see....

1. I don't play with other people on B-net. (except on extremely rare occations where its irrelevant anyway)

2. I don't trade.

So yeah, its really affecting them.

 

[Usufruct]

Lets see....

1. I don't play with other people on B-net. (except on extremely rare occations where its irrelevant anyway)

2. I don't trade.

So yeah, its really affecting them.

Liar. If that were true then you'd just play single player and not have to deal with battle.net problems. Then you could use maphack 'til you turn blue in your face and not worry about being banned.

 

[Lord Chaos]

What items exactly are you referring to? I can assure you that I personally do not cheat on the realms in any way (some people here are suggesting that IP hunting for DClone is cheating, but according to GFrazier as posted on the BNet forums, this behaviour is as good as officially condoned, presumably because it increases the number of SoJs sold), yet I have managed to accumulate plenty of excellent items,in fact I would describe myself as moderately rich, merely by playing the game in a normal non-cheating manner, mfing and trading. Anyway, what does it matter if you don't have a ton of godly items? Having a million Windforces doesn't make you happy you know.

Erhm, I never said that was what I desired, I don't even care if maphack was legit and it made you find LESS unique items...what I care about is being able to actually play the game in a fun flowing manner, instead of having to stop up all the time to read truckloads of white writing or pick up every grey item...I'd gladly trade away *ALL* my uniques I currently have for that ability.

 

[Dredd]

1. I don't play with other people on B-net. (except on extremely rare occations where its irrelevant anyway)

2. I don't trade.

So yeah, its really affecting them.

How many other maphackers do you think play exactly the same way as you do?

...I'd gladly trade away *ALL* my uniques I currently have for that ability.

Guess what, you don't have to give any uniques away. Just take your maphack and go play SP or Open. Stay away from Closed BNet. Take the other maphackers with you while you're at it.

 

[Dredd]

Ignore this post.

I really didn't need to make two in a row. Sorry.

 

[Mr Evil]

Erhm, I never said that was what I desired, I don't even care if maphack was legit and it made you find LESS unique items...what I care about is being able to actually play the game in a fun flowing manner, instead of having to stop up all the time to read truckloads of white writing or pick up every grey item...I'd gladly trade away *ALL* my uniques I currently have for that ability.

So why are you flinging mud at those you have more items than you purport to have? The usual reason for such behaviour is jealousy.

If you want to play the game in a manner which suits you, and you really don't interact with others as you say you don't, then go play single player. You get no lag that way.

(note to self: don't feed the troll)

 

[Kitriara]

thats just plain wrong. i hope you know it.

That was in reference to open battle.net being for cheating. Well, I'm sorry to say, it kind of is. Its the only place on battle.net that they'll host you and not make you obey the rules that govern closed. This allows people to do whatever they want without worry of repercussion. If they want to play totally legit, they play closed.

Yes, because we all know that is reserved for the überleet people. *rollseyes*

I'm not trying to make some big personal attack against you, honestly... just wanted to make that point. But you did put words in my mouth here. The DC is not reserved for ANYONE. Nobody on battle.net is frigging entitled (theres that darned word again!) to fight him. I do not have an Anni charm, nor do I ever think I will. Also, the fact that you purchased all of those editions and whatnot isnt my problem... just because you spent $350 on the game and I've spent $60 doesnt give you some kind of right that I dont have.

I do agree with you that people who laugh at you if you dont have "1337" unique items are idiots. Not all of us have the luxury to sit around while we skip high school to MF all day... many of us have full time jobs and lives and whatnot, so screw those elitist bastards. Completely agree.

The only thing I must say is that the point seems to come up that just because some people do it, others think they must just to "keep up." If everyone stopped thinking this way the MHers would eventually die out.

Everyone do a favor to the community and report maphackers... yeah, those sorcs who everyone is thanking for quick baal runs... sadly, I report each one who admits to having it. Gotta start somewhere.

I'm gonna take a break from this thread; its lunch break.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Liar. If that were true then you'd just play single player and not have to deal with battle.net problems. Then you could use maphack 'til you turn blue in your face and not worry about being banned.

Ok, fair enough I wasn't clear...I play in a CLOSED CIRCLE of people, we only play with eachother, we do not trade with anyone...hence battlenet.

And I've already explained why I do not do Single Player.

 

[Lord Chaos]

So why are you flinging mud at those you have more items than you purport to have? The usual reason for such behaviour is jealousy.

No, it was to make a point of "unfairness"...heck of course I would like some of the überleet items too, heck I would like to one day actually SEE an annihilous or actually meet the DC...but thats just something I'd *like*, I've lived without it ever since Diablo came out...what DOES bother me are things which are just frustrating, serves little purpose beyond frustrating and what breaks up my gameplaying so it becomes less enjoyable.

I have never intruded upon anyone else, never devaluated anyone or made anyone lose anything, thats a heck of alot more than you can say about alot of b-net players.

 

[Sein Schatten]

"That was in reference to open battle.net being for cheating. Well, I'm sorry to say, it kind of is. Its the only place on battle.net that they'll host you and not make you obey the rules that govern closed."

so it means its okay to cheat? so its okay they ruin the fun of others? i dont care if blizzard dont observe open. what i mean is: you all say they should go to open and this means they ruin the experience of those who play open (if there still are people ).

"If they want to play totally legit, they play closed."

oho. only closed b-net folks are legit? definetly not. i also have legit chars and i play sp.

 

[Dredd]

oho. only closed b-net folks are legit? definetly not. i also have legit chars and i play sp.

The essense of what you are saying here is: "What's good for the goose is good for the gander", correct? Everybody cheats, therefore I will cheat too. That doesn't hold water. Rampant cheating is what ultimately destroyed Diablo 1. Why should we as gamers allow that to happen to its sequel as well? There will always be cheaters; they will never go away completely. But why contribute to the disease?

It's obvious we all love this game. If we didn't, we certainly wouldn't be sitting in this thread arguing with each other.

I'm disappointed that none of my questions in this thread were answered. Now, unfortunately, I'm cranky and it's time for bed. If Lord Chaos or Lord Gargoyle (or anybody) wants to take a shot at addressing any of my questions, I'll appreciate it. After I catch some z's I'll check up on this thread again.