Lord Chaos
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Dredd said:
Hahahahahahah, you have to be seriously smoking something to believe that B-net is currently "equal footing".
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Hahahahahahah, you have to be seriously smoking something to believe that B-net is currently "equal footing".
Lord Chaos
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Dredd said:
Ok, let me ask you this question, which I don't think you can even answer...if I were to use maphack right now...how exactly would that be "not fair to you" when it has nada influence on your game.
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No, but feel free to get banned from bnet.Lord Chaos said:
And you feel that atma violates the eula how?
Opening a file on your hardrive is hardly hacking. Blizzard has never banned anyone for reading an mpq, in fact they encourage single player mods and made the game easier to mod in 1.10. But Blizz has banned for maphack. You do the math.
I sure have, look I even quoted it in my post...
I've never seen someone get banned from single player. Also single player is clearly not under the part of the eula that talks about use of the battle.net network. It is under the part about not installing more than one copy and so on.
*flings more dung*
Sein Schatten
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suggestive name: and in the text you quoted there stands it clearly that you are not allowed to open the mpqs and read the infos there. 
in the first code quote i mean.
"I used those programs/cheats on Open Battlenet"
why is it allowed in open b-net to cheat? only because its easier there or what?
in the first code quote i mean."I used those programs/cheats on Open Battlenet"
why is it allowed in open b-net to cheat? only because its easier there or what?
How many actually PLAY the game? PvP aside, how many actually take a new char and play thru the way it was intended?
The vast majority of players do this: MF, trade, rush new chars so they can wear what they MF/traded for. Maphack is an efficient means to an end.
Is rushing chars illegal? No. Most peeps rush chars. Would you rather spend 45 minutes sitting around for a rush to finish, or 2 hrs? The choice is yours...
I've actually used the 'check other persons gear' feature to help facilitate trades w/ them. If they seem poorly geared and I have items I know would suit them better, I let them know.
I've done countless baal runs to lvl. How many peeps want the sorc to tele quickly to throne? MH facilitates that, and benefits everyone. I'm sure anyone involved in baal runs for lvling wont begrudge the mh sorc for time saved.
The flaw lies in the game itself. There is nothing dynamic about it EXCEPT for mfing. Thats why its so popular. And thats why you find players using mh. Few peeps enjoy finding out the door to Durance lvl 3 was in that last unchecked corner.
The vast majority of players do this: MF, trade, rush new chars so they can wear what they MF/traded for. Maphack is an efficient means to an end.
Is rushing chars illegal? No. Most peeps rush chars. Would you rather spend 45 minutes sitting around for a rush to finish, or 2 hrs? The choice is yours...
I've actually used the 'check other persons gear' feature to help facilitate trades w/ them. If they seem poorly geared and I have items I know would suit them better, I let them know.
I've done countless baal runs to lvl. How many peeps want the sorc to tele quickly to throne? MH facilitates that, and benefits everyone. I'm sure anyone involved in baal runs for lvling wont begrudge the mh sorc for time saved.
The flaw lies in the game itself. There is nothing dynamic about it EXCEPT for mfing. Thats why its so popular. And thats why you find players using mh. Few peeps enjoy finding out the door to Durance lvl 3 was in that last unchecked corner.
/me sits back and watches with glee as evil maphack thread seed blooms into a beautiful flower of carnage and mayhem.
Anyway, I'd just like to point out that the EULA is a red herring. Everyone knows that they carry no legal weight and are just put there to look pretty. The important thing is the bnet ToS, which lays out what Blizzard may ban you for. If it violates said ToS and gives an unfair advantage then I cannot see how it can be argued that it is not a cheat.
Anyway, I'd just like to point out that the EULA is a red herring. Everyone knows that they carry no legal weight and are just put there to look pretty. The important thing is the bnet ToS, which lays out what Blizzard may ban you for. If it violates said ToS and gives an unfair advantage then I cannot see how it can be argued that it is not a cheat.
How the game is meant to be played is subjective. It seems to me that mf runs are intended, or else why would there be so much mf equipment? If rushing was not meant to happen at all then why are all quests not compulsory?Wolv said:
Would you rather spend months doing Baal runs to get to lvl 99 or 5 minutes using a (hypothetical) 3rd party program? The choice is yours...Wolv said:
I would much rather actually walk to the throne, but it's generally impossible because most people are unwilling to go down to lvl 2, knowing that everyone else is waiting in town because what happens on the rare occasions that the party does actually venture forth together is that it will quickly break up as one or two who have maphack rush ahead to the stairs, with the result that thw party is strung out, allowing isolated members to be picked off by hordes of monsters, then no one is willing or able to retrieve the corpses and eveyone leaves, minus their exp and gold.Wolv said:
Way to take a quote out of its context. No, none of us think that bnet is currently a place where people are on equal footing, thanks to you and others who think like you. However, that was the whole point of a closed bnet, and we are more than a little annoyed that people can't respect that.Lord Chaos said:
A case where mh had no influence on me would be the case where you installed and played it on your own computer, single player mode. For all I care, you're welcome to do that. But why would you insist on crowding in on the place where people are supposed to be able to play the game as it was meant to be with others who enjoy the same thing? Bnet is a community, and what you do there will influence the rest of us.Lord Chaos said:
Not enough, but many do.Wolv said:
Yes, and the choice is: do you want to cheat or not.Wolv said:
We have no doubts whatsoever that maphack is an advantage to use - why else would anybody use it! However, you get that advantage by cheating. If you feel it's too much for you to look for the stairs to Durance 3 or in any other way think it's not worth the effort to play the game the way it's meant to be, just stop playing on closed bnet.Wolv said:
Lord Gargoyle said:
Open Bnet, at least in theory is a "mod-friendly" place, meaning, more or less, that Blizzard doesn't enforce any anti-cheating measures there. Use 'em on Closed BNet, risk getting banned and having your CD key disabled. Use 'em on Open and -- while it's still cheating, nobody is going prevent you from using them.
Lord Chaos said:
Pretty ambiguous statement, wise-arse. Why don't you start listing the reasons why it isn't instead of posting an otherwise useless statement.
Lord Chaos said:
That question has been answered ad-nauseum a million times in this and every other Maphack thread that has ever existed on this forum. I answered this indirectly a few posts back. Try reading it in its entirety. Then read this next statement:
"When you or any maphacker steps into a game I happen to be playing in, I am affected. Directly."
I think the last couple posts about saving time and playing through the game drive the point home. It all comes down to entitlement, time and time again.
See, most people playing this game dont really want to play. They just want to do hell baal runs as fast as possible. It seems to me that everyone is rushing toward some incomprehensible non-existant goal and the natural balance of the game is being ruined because of it.
There are still people out there, myself included, who like to play the game through, doing all of the quests, finding the stairs ourselves, clearing the areas. There is a lot of meat to this game if you do more than Andy --> Ammy --> Dury --> Council --> Meph --> D --> Ancients --> Baal rush. So thats 8 steps to play the whole game that takes around 80 or so if you do everything.
However, you've AGAIN proved my point... I'm sorry to say man, I've probably logged just as much time as you in my D2 career. But you know what? Just because I've played so much, I'm not ENTITLED to fight that monster. Go make him spawn in open or single player if you wanna fight him. I'm sorry if you dont get to fight him but you have no reason to think you're owed the chance.
Lets say it together everyone "The only thing I'm entitled to is to play the game the way it came out of the box."
Sadly, people think the world owes them everything... why is that?
See, most people playing this game dont really want to play. They just want to do hell baal runs as fast as possible. It seems to me that everyone is rushing toward some incomprehensible non-existant goal and the natural balance of the game is being ruined because of it.
There are still people out there, myself included, who like to play the game through, doing all of the quests, finding the stairs ourselves, clearing the areas. There is a lot of meat to this game if you do more than Andy --> Ammy --> Dury --> Council --> Meph --> D --> Ancients --> Baal rush. So thats 8 steps to play the whole game that takes around 80 or so if you do everything.
Thats my point RIGHT THERE! You see, that is NOT a game flaw... thats just how the designers intended it. However, everyone thinks they're ENTITLED to quickly run that area - for whatever reason - so they justifying cheating with that thought. You are supposed to take your time to do this... it keeps the economy balanced by preventing item floods. Cheat in open battle.net because, to answer an earlier question, OPEN is there for you to cheat/test on, thats why they made it.
PLEASE explain this to me. $350? Unless you bought about 4 copies of it there is no way it should cost you that much? Ebay?
However, you've AGAIN proved my point... I'm sorry to say man, I've probably logged just as much time as you in my D2 career. But you know what? Just because I've played so much, I'm not ENTITLED to fight that monster. Go make him spawn in open or single player if you wanna fight him. I'm sorry if you dont get to fight him but you have no reason to think you're owed the chance.
Lets say it together everyone "The only thing I'm entitled to is to play the game the way it came out of the box."
Sadly, people think the world owes them everything... why is that?
Sein Schatten
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sorry, your statement there is not okay. you are angry because a cheater affects your gameplay. and now you say he should go away and affect others, those who play open. thats not a fine thing to do.
Lord Chaos
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sasja said:
Yes yes yes, my UM runes, my level 88 necro, my 0 annihilous and so on is sooooo much bringing Diablo 2 ladder out of footing, its draining down those hyper 10+ annihilous level 90+ characters who laugh at me on this forum because I don't have any 1337 ladder items...yes, I am so much to blame...*crys*
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Kitriara said:
What the hell does me not wanting to spoil my gameplay rythm by having to pick up just about every grey item to check for sockets got to do with hell Bhaal runs?...heck I propably only do about 6-10 Bhaal runs tops in a week, contrary to our combined some 40-70 hours gameplay.
Sein Schatten
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Kitriara said:
thats just plain wrong. i hope you know it.
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