High Council Horker :: Help!

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MalVeauX

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High Council Horker :: Help!

Heya gents,

I was wanting to put together a gold finder, because I really enjoy gambling circlets and amulets all the time. With edge, I can get more bang for the buck, so I that I'd have a blast with a Horker. I used horkers before and loved it, but this time around, things are a bit different.

So what's a good way to approach the NM and Hell council in the travical?
Nightmare is easy no matter what I do; but Hell can be different with all that nasty amping and fire damaing, lighting, poison, explosions, etc. I would need a huge life pool and resists for sure. But I still want to retain high gold find.

So as a helping hand, what's an average build setup, for speed for Hell in mind. If I can't afford it or it's too much, I'll just revert to twice as many nightmare runs.

Bonus question: Is the hell gold piles that much better compared to nightmare in the council?

Kill options:

1 - Frenzy?
2 - Conc (too slow?)
3 - Whirlwind?

Which would work faster, which weapons (no high end runewords please...) and what kind of setup to have the ability to survive while killing and still have a decent gold find percentage. I'd like to use wealth for the massive boost (wealth + chancies = nice gold find on it's own, but what else?). More runs faster, is of course better though.

Cheers! :)
 
If you want to do hell council stick to one player games, their hitpoints become too much on multiplayer once they start spamming hydras out of every orifice

A standard ww build should do fine

20 ww
20 mastery
20 bo
20 shout
1 zerk
1 speed
1 res
1 find item

-arreat's will give you +2 to your find item
-highlords will give you another +1
-i wouldn't invest more base points into find item because its diminshing returns are horrible after a few points

as for items

chance guards
arreat's
highlords/crescent moon
raven/dwarf star
infernostride/rare gf boots (these can be godly)
wealth
goldwrap/tgods
gheeds fortune
MANY res charms, max damage, life, etc.
on switch for horking use:

1) dual ali's
2) dual heart carvers
3) dual 6x lem swords

whichever you can afford

as for weapons there are many good poor-man choices that will work

arloc's needle
cranium basher
upped steeldriver
upped bonesnap
tomb reaver (a non-eth garbage version is inexpensive)
ethereal hone sundan upped with 3x shael
messerschmidt's reaver
executioner's justice
a few others

i recommend 2 handers only because i don't believe pvm barbs ever need shields except for pvp :)
 
Thanks for the advice,

That mainly leaves me with the Weapon option.
Unfortunately I have pretty limited barb gear as I generally avoid it.

I have some options though:

1 - Up'ed Steel Driver (it's fast, but with a shael will I get another break point?)
2 - Good damage insight (600+), but it's not fast, but has range (cryptic axe)
3 - Honor Decapitator? (meh... just an option)

I would love to make Obediance (such a great runeword for cheap!) but the cold damage on it makes horking a problem... so I will have to pass on it.

Thoughts?
 
even if you are poor a cranium basher or arloc's needle should be easy to obtain because many players regard them (because they are morons) as garbage

i would recommend either one over steeldriver or insight (which also lacks IAS)
 
Omikron8 said:
even if you are poor a cranium basher or arloc's needle should be easy to obtain because many players regard them (because they are morons) as garbage

i would recommend either one over steeldriver or insight (which also lacks IAS)
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I see the needle being a great WW weapon, for very little and with that kind of IAS a shael would put it very nicely into WWing hands. The C.basher though, seems like a waste of time. The strength is much too high for a slow beat stick... I would Imagine a thundermaul version of the steal driver would be better due to hitting more often due to speed?

Anyhow, thanks for the heads up on the needle. Maybe I'll try to acquire one and see what people ask for it (lots of pgems would be a good trade! ;) hehe.

Cheers!

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Updated:

I purchased a 218%, +4 (close to perfect) needle for a few perfect gems. Great deal for me since I had nothing else that people trade for. Gems tend to buy near anything it seems.

Anyhow, with a shael this spear will hit the last break point for WW, so I'm all set there.

So, skills & gear thus far:

20 Spear Mastery
20 Whirlwind

20 Battleorders
1 Berserker
1 Battle Cry

10 Nat Resists

Rest into something? Uknown? Another shout?

Gear:

Weath Armor (300%)
Chancies (200%)
Gold Wrap (50-80%, unless I find a good rare; I prefer the rare)
Infernostride (until I find a better rare perhaps)

That's definitely not the highest. It's pretty average for the % total. However, it's a start. Now that I have my weapon in mind, I can focus the build around that, and everything else quickly becomes a simple option to swap out.

Cheers!
 
You could always make a singer barb. I remember hearing about someone who had almost max goldfind and used war cry to stun the concil and do a little damage them while his merc did a rediculous amount of damage to them. It somewhat expensive but a really good option or so I've heard.
 
1) Yes Cbasher requires 253 str

2) Yes it is "slow" but not that slow

The str requirement doesn't matter because a maul barb doesn't need any dex

With 250+ base vit the 253 str should be no problem after bonuses like arreat's

2 handed whirlwind bp's are -10, -30, -60

Thundermaul is base +10 and cbasher has 20 ias already

that means cbasher itself is -10

add a shael and you hit the second bp at -30

for a weapon with 75% crushing blow !!!!! and resistances and high max damage this is great

i did a hell trav goldfinder with cbasher in season one and he did quite well in one player solo games

10 nat res is a waste, only 1 point is needed

at MOST put in 3-4 base pts in nat res

after 20/20/20 ww/bo/mastery put the rest in shout

remember hell trav is not a joke in terms of monster damage, you still need some decent res and defense

this is why i recommend arreat's instead of something like crown of thieves
 
so with shael basher you still hit first bp

with the max damage and 75% cb it gives i would still rate it over arloc's for council running
 
yeah, the real killer is the CB, you can easily reach 100% with cranium basher.
Another option would be an obedience thresher/giant thresher, same WW speed, a little less damage and CB, but the -%enemy def, +def, better range and resists are a nice plus. And you can equip it earlier too.
 
At first, I jumped on Obediance because it's so easy to make and it's an amazing weapon for what it costs. The problem is that it has cold damage. That means I may "pop" the bodies and the horking becomes not possible..

Anyhow, I aquired a Needle, so I'll be using it.
If I find it's ridiculously long to kill, I'll start over and get a high crushing blow setup.

Cheers! :)
 
Well, the best goldbarb is one with a merc for killing. It's what I use, and gear can look something like this:

On barbarian:

IK helm with 2x lem runes
enigma (teleing is nice since your merc will appear on top of you, as he often wanders of in the wrong direction)
rare/craft amu with goldfind, skills, str, dex, life, etc
2*6x lem weapons (echoings on switch)
chance guards
dwarf stars*2
goldwrap
rare boots with goldfind/08 wts/infernostrides
9*3x goldfind wc gcs + gheeds + sc's with goldfind

On merc:

botd spear/pole, gs or gp good options
wealth armor (eth if possible)
crown of thieves (eth if possible)

Stats:

str for gear
no dex
rest vit
ene none

Skills:

max bo
max find item
rest nat res/shout/leap/war cry or whatever you'd like

Use leap or war cry to stun em and let merc kill.

This barb works good for me, it only takes a few runs to have a char filled with gold.
 
well, i prefer to use enigma... it can ofcourse be switched to a wealth for 300% gf which is ofcourse alot but i still prefer enigma
 
ik maul or eth edge axe are both very good weapons for running the high council that are also very easy to get. if you cant find a good weapon then use LoH gloves for the added dmg to demons, you'll lose 200% gf but gain a lot more dmg.

ww, conc, zerk all work great for this char and they take less points to get nice dmg. conc works so well since it also gets dmg from max BO.

going with a might merc works great for all builds since he will give your char more dmg and can also do great dmg if he is used to make the last hit.

if you are going to use the FI skill then you never want to have any cold dmg on the char. since you can get more then 50% of your gold from this skill its a good idea to have as many bodies leftover to use it on.

IK helm: i'd only use that if i was also using the IK maul
CoT: is a great helm to use if you need dex and the LL
circlets: 3 socket of greed 230%gf
rare/magic 2 socket with greed mod (+barb skills)​
lem tarn​
lem shako​

if you still need more LL after using the CoT then craft blood boots/belt with greed/ll mods
if you make a caster build then craft a caster belt with a greed mod

-Tempus-
 
biko said:
Well, the best goldbarb is one with a merc for killing. It's what I use, and gear can look something like this:

On barbarian:

IK helm with 2x lem runes
enigma (teleing is nice since your merc will appear on top of you, as he often wanders of in the wrong direction)
rare/craft amu with goldfind, skills, str, dex, life, etc
2*6x lem weapons (echoings on switch)
chance guards
dwarf stars*2
goldwrap
rare boots with goldfind/08 wts/infernostrides
9*3x goldfind wc gcs + gheeds + sc's with goldfind

On merc:

botd spear/pole, gs or gp good options
wealth armor (eth if possible)
crown of thieves (eth if possible)

Stats:

str for gear
no dex
rest vit
ene none

Skills:

max bo
max find item
rest nat res/shout/leap/war cry or whatever you'd like

Use leap or war cry to stun em and let merc kill.

This barb works good for me, it only takes a few runs to have a char filled with gold.
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My councilrunner works great and is very similar to your build. Except i use wealth on myself since tele really isn't very necessary. Also i don't give my merc cot since he needs cbf mod. I think kirás is a nice cheap helm for your merc wich helps him survive also when a councilmember got conviction aura.


Also my skill approach is different. I maxed out bo, warcry, find item, and battlecry. Battlecry is very usefull to me. It makes my merc hit much more easily and negates over 50% damage the council does.

With you not needing any weapons except for the 2 ali baba's you can also wear 2 bosticks to get a bit better bo and shout before you head into the battle.

I get 400000-1million gold per travirun. with an average of +-700000
 
Gimmershred said:
My councilrunner works great and is very similar to your build. Except i use wealth on myself since tele really isn't very necessary. Also i don't give my merc cot since he needs cbf mod. I think kirás is a nice cheap helm for your merc wich helps him survive also when a councilmember got conviction aura.


Also my skill approach is different. I maxed out bo, warcry, find item, and battlecry. Battlecry is very usefull to me. It makes my merc hit much more easily and negates over 50% damage the council does.

With you not needing any weapons except for the 2 ali baba's you can also wear 2 bosticks to get a bit better bo and shout before you head into the battle.

I get 400000-1million gold per travirun. with an average of +-700000
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Gimmershred,

I like the sound of this, because I don't have enigma or breathofthedying weapons, but I can manage those other items. Anyhow, would you mind listing things out, pretty much full words, as I get lost in the slang since I'm not into it all that often.

Anyhow, here's what I'm seeing:

Barb:

IK Helm socketed with 2xLems (or 30% GF jewels with 2nd mods?)
Wealth Armor
Amulet (perhaps teleport, for merc control, cheap teleport)
Rings: DwarfStars x 2
Chance Guards
GoldWarp (Rare belt with better GF and res's)
Rare Boots with GF and Res's
2xAliBabas (cheaper than 12 lem runes) socketed with 4xLems (or 30% GF jewels with 2nd mod)
A few Charms in Inventory; but not full (I like to pick up charms, runes, gems)

Merc:

Weapon: ??? I don't have botd type stuff. What's an alternative?
Armor: Another wealth? Or should he had something else for survival?
Helm: Again, which helm? Kiras? Which helm is this?

--- I like the above, because I like that I don't have to do the killing and it allows me to maximize the gold drops and item find level.

My current horker is fun; and I kill the council on my own with a WW spear barbarian, but I find lighting and poison to really be a problem sometimes (though I've never died, but got close); My res's are not negative, some are in the 50's at level 86 with no shield, and I'm running most gold find gear, with the only exception being his belt and boots giving me most of my res (3xRes belt/boots... so great in the 30's! awesome gambles). Otherwise, I make up res's with my COT with an Ort and some charms.

The problem with him, is that I manage about 200k to 300k per run with him, doing Hell Council, which really isn't that bad for a poor setup. However, I've recently considered remaking him into a Conc barb with an Oath eth Scourge since I got the runes from doing the council so often (yay). Then after thinking about it, I figured, I have some gold find, but my Item Find level is too low, even with Echo knives, and I could be doubling my gold each run. So then I re-read this thread for insights and the Merc killing option became attractive.

Anyhow, any advice will be appreciated for gear for the Merc, keeping in mind that BOTD is out of the question for me.

Cheers!
 
MalVeauX,

i can get over 3600%gf on my main barb/merc and they do just fine in hell games. he is a normal WW barb that also has max FI skill with a few points in warcry/battlecry. i use those when my might merc kills, his items are sup eth passion polearm (75%gf), crown of thieves (150%gf), eth wealth armor (300%gf) he also has a 6 lem pole for when i'm messing around.

the barb is made and setup so he can solo the high council or can let the merc do the killing.

using the IK helm is ok for a helm but i would only want to use it if i was also using the IK maul. i like the crown of thieves more since it has life leech, +dex, resist to fire and can have upto 150%gf with a lem in it.

using conc also works very well for this kind of build if you use a good 2hd weapon + might merc. since you will have max BO, conc will gain more dmg.

-Tempus-
 
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