There are way too many walls of text to start quoting everyone. My perspective is that it is indeed safer to lynch Moar than Jason due to the possibility of the later being an asset to us, but I'm worried of how fast the train is moving considering Moar hasn't posted in this phase so far and there is still an entire day ahead. Don't get me wrong... I'm all in for lynching Moar and finally setting the score, but still...
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And in both of these cases Moar is mafia. And yet you voted for Jason. A agree with Pyro, if my vote was not on Moar I would have a vote on you.
Which one do you prefer?
:highfive:
Phillinnicus
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It's seems very likely to me that Moar is mafia, based on that vote timing and Jason's supposed information.
I do agree with Drixx about Jason providing all the information he has because he'll likely be NK'd now or the next night if there's a doc. Any and all information would be useful.
So many walls of text, ugh.
I do agree with Drixx about Jason providing all the information he has because he'll likely be NK'd now or the next night if there's a doc. Any and all information would be useful.
So many walls of text, ugh.
Phillinnicus
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Oops, forgot to vote.
Vote: Moar
Vote: Moar
I'd like to be super clear. [highlight]I've never suggested that we should not lynch Moar today[/highlight]
I do think we should be very wary of taking Jason Maher's implied role claim at face value. A full claim from him gives the town much more information to go by. The longer he refuses to give that full claim, the more I wonder why he's refusing. I will concede that there may be some mechanic or reason I am unaware of that makes him want to avoid doing so, but he should, at the very least, be able and willing to provide us with a good argument for why he won't fully role claim.
If he's indeed a townie, he has no reason to hold out on us. Either way, we need to vote for Moar, which I've done.
@flubbucket - Don't put words in my mouth. I have never tried to turn the wagon away from Moar. I'm pointing out that we should not just blindly trust Jason's sort-of role claim.
@Gwaihir - Did you intentionally ignore my post where I explained why I put a vote on Jason to see how he would respond? His response was to read the thread but refuse to post or answer my posts. The vote served its purpose, and anyone who actually read my posts would know that I wasn't suggesting we lynch Jason today instead of Moar.
Be careful of putting words into people's mouths folks. At least three people have now tried to insinuate that I tried to move the lynchwagon off from moar and onto Jason, which is patently false. What I have done, and will continue to do, is point out that Jason has given a very vague pseudo-claim of a power role and refuses to give any more information. If he's a town investigator role as he has implied, he's already outed himself to the game, so there is no reason to hold back now, and yet he is. This really strikes nobody else as odd?
If Jason simply doesn't post the rest of today and we lynch Moar and Moar flips scum and Jason lives through the night, how will you all feel about Jason? Will you believe he's a town power role as he has implied? Will you trust him? What if he survives 2 more nights? 3?
It's the lack of detail in his claim that bothers me. A mafia trying to pull a con is going to go very light on the details because the details are what will get them caught. A character name that someone else has, for example. A character name that is associated with a bad guy in the book, for another example. A specific role that someone else has, for yet another example.
Jason could clear up all my doubts by showing up and saying something like "I'm Petra Arkanian and I'm the town [role]. On night 1, I got X result about Y person. On night 2, I got X result about Z person". At this point revealing his role and name doesn't harm him or the town as far as I can tell. By all means someone feel free to give a rational reason why withholding that information is a townie play, but I've tried to think through the various angles and I haven't come up with any likely scenarios for it.
I think that whether Jason is really a town power role or a mafia trying to con us, Moar will flip scum. With what little Jason has been willing to say, I'm not sure moar flipping scum really tells us a lot, but a scum death is always a good thing for the town, so our obvious play is to lynch Moar.
I'm trying to get you guys to think beyond today's lynch and see if we can use today for more than just today's business. Jason's pseudo-claim basically decided our lynch very early in the day. It seems silly to waste the rest of said day debating today's course of action.
I do think we should be very wary of taking Jason Maher's implied role claim at face value. A full claim from him gives the town much more information to go by. The longer he refuses to give that full claim, the more I wonder why he's refusing. I will concede that there may be some mechanic or reason I am unaware of that makes him want to avoid doing so, but he should, at the very least, be able and willing to provide us with a good argument for why he won't fully role claim.
If he's indeed a townie, he has no reason to hold out on us. Either way, we need to vote for Moar, which I've done.
@flubbucket - Don't put words in my mouth. I have never tried to turn the wagon away from Moar. I'm pointing out that we should not just blindly trust Jason's sort-of role claim.
@Gwaihir - Did you intentionally ignore my post where I explained why I put a vote on Jason to see how he would respond? His response was to read the thread but refuse to post or answer my posts. The vote served its purpose, and anyone who actually read my posts would know that I wasn't suggesting we lynch Jason today instead of Moar.
Be careful of putting words into people's mouths folks. At least three people have now tried to insinuate that I tried to move the lynchwagon off from moar and onto Jason, which is patently false. What I have done, and will continue to do, is point out that Jason has given a very vague pseudo-claim of a power role and refuses to give any more information. If he's a town investigator role as he has implied, he's already outed himself to the game, so there is no reason to hold back now, and yet he is. This really strikes nobody else as odd?
If Jason simply doesn't post the rest of today and we lynch Moar and Moar flips scum and Jason lives through the night, how will you all feel about Jason? Will you believe he's a town power role as he has implied? Will you trust him? What if he survives 2 more nights? 3?
It's the lack of detail in his claim that bothers me. A mafia trying to pull a con is going to go very light on the details because the details are what will get them caught. A character name that someone else has, for example. A character name that is associated with a bad guy in the book, for another example. A specific role that someone else has, for yet another example.
Jason could clear up all my doubts by showing up and saying something like "I'm Petra Arkanian and I'm the town [role]. On night 1, I got X result about Y person. On night 2, I got X result about Z person". At this point revealing his role and name doesn't harm him or the town as far as I can tell. By all means someone feel free to give a rational reason why withholding that information is a townie play, but I've tried to think through the various angles and I haven't come up with any likely scenarios for it.
I think that whether Jason is really a town power role or a mafia trying to con us, Moar will flip scum. With what little Jason has been willing to say, I'm not sure moar flipping scum really tells us a lot, but a scum death is always a good thing for the town, so our obvious play is to lynch Moar.
I'm trying to get you guys to think beyond today's lynch and see if we can use today for more than just today's business. Jason's pseudo-claim basically decided our lynch very early in the day. It seems silly to waste the rest of said day debating today's course of action.
Very sorry for whatever is going on in RL that is bothering you Moar. On a non-game note, my thoughts and prayers are with you. It looks like you're for the hangman's noose today anyway, so no need to drop out. If you really are a scum, you could have some fun on your way out at least.
I hope life takes a turn for the better mate
She could use some hugs in the bar. (this forum)
She has posted this day phase, and if she lives until the next day phase then I will replace her with someone else if I can.
Best wishes to Moar. All feel free to pass by bar and throw her some cat gifs or anything that may help raise her mood for a little while. Now, sorry if this comes as insensitive, hut a change of individual in a particular role will only slow down the pace, so I vote for closing the Moar / Jason conundrum.
Vote: Moar
Vote: Moar
How have I been "trying to derail things"? Jason made a claim against Moar. Logically, in order to prove or disprove the claim, one of them should be lynched. That's what is known as "trying to move the game forward." Please explain what exactly you find fishy about that.
There was never a conundrum. From the moment Jason Maher claimed knowledge gained during the night gave him a "slam dunk" knowledge that Moar was scum, Moar was going to be lynched today. Lynching Moar isn't going to "close" any conundrum. The only thing that is going to put the questions to rest is Jason showing up and giving the town a proper claim.
There are a couple of people, Noodle, who tried to put words in your mouth and my mouth. Possibly overzealous townies ... but maybe minor misplaying mafia. Worth taking note of, wouldn't you agree?
I mean, really, we do need to look out for ourselves around here, don't we? The teachers make a show of looking out for us, but what they're really doing is getting us to turn on one another. Gotta see the truth brother.
FredOfErik
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Yo, douchenozzles! Who are you to try and lynch freddy? :badteeth:
Give me some time to read up before you all go ahead and lock me. Shouldn't be too long, I'm almost up to date.
Give me some time to read up before you all go ahead and lock me. Shouldn't be too long, I'm almost up to date.
Not really, I was referring to Ankeli's tactic of using me as a stalking horse.
onder: @pharphis: those who voted for Moar need to change to FoE or will the vote still count as cast?
