Dilemma with charms (BvC)

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Hunt3r_kill4

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Dilemma with charms (BvC)

Since I play ladder on USWest, I know there is no possible way I am going to get anywhere close to 39x 3/15+/15+, so I was wondering what I should do instead. This is a BvC meant for public dueling, and I have the setup recommended by "dumbpig" a while back.

Any ideas on what I should use as charms instead, and since this is ladder, nothing extravaganza :undecided:
 
most of the threads i've read seem to recommend getting 20 life sc's if 3/xx/xx are out of reach or not available. obviously, any ar/res mods on those lif sc's would be a bonus. a few fhr sc's are also good to hit 48fhr bp.

others may feel free to correct me if i'm wrong!

edit : a few ar/life gc's can also be good
 
Oh I see, I was thinking AR/Dmg > Life, but I think you are right.

Hopefully, I can get some more replies/ suggestions to back this up, appreciate the reply mythos.
 
Myself, as a pretty poorish BvC, I've got a very nice substitute to get all the AR. 3-4x 13x/3x ar/life gcs. Then 4x 5 fhr scs, rest 20 life scs. That should result in about 10k ar with pubsetup.
 
If you can't afford +dmg/+AR/+Life charms, best alternative would be AR/Life charms. They are much cheaper in comparison (I got my 64/34 LC for pul+lem, so no complain there ;) )
 
Thoridian said:
322s > 3/xx/20s > 2/xx/19-20s > 20+ar/20s > res/20s > plain 20s
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How come you're not taking any GCs into account?

32020>3/xx/20>10/76/45>20/36>132/45>mod/20s>plain 20s.
 
Go with Ce's idea if you're not wealthy.
Get enough ar gcs [life optional] for ~10k ar with CoA and ravens. Then get 4 fhr scs, torch/anni, and fill the rest with life scs.

AR/Life > max damage anyday.
 
Good barbs don't rely on massive poison.
I keep one 290 in my cube in my stash, but the last time I used it was over a year ago.
 
imo pan charms can be veru uselful my barb uses 12 x 100 psn 15-20 life scs and its funny to look how those yber es sorcs with 4,8 k mana cry when i hit them once and after 5 secs their life drops to 1
 
Pimppaaja said:
imo pan charms can be veru uselful my barb uses 12 x 100 psn 15-20 life scs and its funny to look how those yber es sorcs with 4,8 k mana cry when i hit them once and after 5 secs their life drops to 1
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Using poison scs is bad. The desired mods on scs: max/ar, ar, allresistance, single resistance, mana. In that order. Anything else is useless. Also if you use a Grief, the scs' dmg will be very bad, I think it gets down to like 1-2 dmg per sc. Before any penalties.
 
yeah the griefs venom nerfs psn charms anyway as it moves say for example a 290 psn charm that does dmg over 9 seconds to the mark where venom does dmg in 0.4 secs so that impressive 290 will only do like 2-3 dmg in that set of time.

Ar/life sc.gc,lc Maxdmg/ar/life sc,lc,gc or plain life,sc,lc,gc ideally with secondary mods like res etc are the recomended charms.
 
Hunt3r_kill4 said:
Since I play ladder on USWest, I know there is no possible way I am going to get anywhere close to 39x 3/15+/15+, so I was wondering what I should do instead. This is a BvC meant for public dueling, and I have the setup recommended by "dumbpig" a while back.

Any ideas on what I should use as charms instead, and since this is ladder, nothing extravaganza :undecided:
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I play us west ladder and I'm pretty close to achieving those charms :).

4x 10max/ar/40+GCs
4x3max/19+/5fhr
20/20 torch
20/20/7 anni
6max/ar/35 lc

The rest are 3/xx/19+ scs

So it is possible, albeit difficult.
 
RetroStar said:
Yes. I'll go with ar/life anyday over max/ar/life.
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I believe you need to have a balance, personally i have little bit of both, but more max damage. Also i dont think we can say one of those uber charms mentioned by Ce is necesarilly better than the other one, you just have to make the right "mix" with them. Which is what i do.
 
jmsplat said:
Don't barbs also use poison charms?
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no
poison comes from venom on grief.
If you use poison charms too, then the poison length is decreased because of venom , iirc that is
 
I hate to come busting through with this yet again, but have you possibly considered that max/ar/life charms are actually only good on low level duelers? Blobz himself said that switching to AR charms he only lost about 100 damage over 3/20/20s. Compare that to an AR/life sc that can get up to 36AR(80% more AR) and 20 life. Now compare that to an AR/life GC with a max of over 130 AR (as opposed to 108AR for a GC's worth of 36/20s) and high life. For a BvC the huge AR difference isn't necessarily that big of a deal, but if you're actually trying to be a BvA (which most "BvCs" do) then the AR is entirely necessary. Either way the 100 or so damage you lose over max/AR/life charms is hardly going to matter, so the only real dilemma is do you want a LOT of high life SCs for higher life, or higher AR GCs for higher AR.

mainaman: that is correct. All poison damages will be cut down to their first 0.4 seconds, meaning a 313 dmg psn sc gets cut down to 11 damage total by venom.
 
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