did i mess up my first pally??

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Herosis

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did i mess up my first pally??

Ok i need some help. Im gonna list gear and stats then state the prob.

Gear
8/8/18 gaze
24 maras
15res/15ias jeweled Hoz
Waterwalks
Verdungos
5ll BK Ring
9ll Carrion
5ll Venomgrips
Guardian Angel
2x Pcombats

On the switch i got a 102 res gilded shield and zakarums hand.

Skills
Max zeal
Max holy shield
Max Fanaticism
1 into conviction
2 into light, fire, and cold res

now even with zeal he's only doing like max 2000 damage and it takes forever to kill a boss. I was tryin to get it to where i could walk through the game and play without it takin so long, but its taken forever so far. His defense is high enough with hs, but i cant figure the rest out. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
 
in that case, i think the bstar is your problem. because your damage consists mainly of physical damage, which depends on weapon damage, and bstar does very little damage besides its elemental damage, even after the zeal and fanaticism damage bonuses, the damage can't be amplified much with such a low base damage.
 
[exile] said:
in that case, i think the bstar is your problem. because your damage consists mainly of physical damage, which depends on weapon damage, and bstar does very little damage besides its elemental damage, even after the zeal and fanaticism damage bonuses, the damage can't be amplified much with such a low base damage.
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which weapon should i be looking for? azure? schaefers? also im thinking about dropping any skill points i get into sacrifice to synergize zeal, which i should have done in the first place i guess. that should help right?
 
Seriously, you don't need any weapon better than a razor's edge. Deadly strike and crushing blow are your friends, and the +350% damage vs. demons from the laying of hands really shines against act bosses (all of which are demons).
 
summoned is right -- razor's edge is a cheap and effective weapon -- but it only has a range of 1 which can be a problem sometimes.

schaefer's is still one of the ultimate zealot weapons. but if you use it, make sure to shael it to help you get a better attack rate.

as for sacrifice -- like with any damage bonus skill, you need a weapon with good damage in the first place for it to really help you. if you do manage to get a schaefer's or something else with high damage, then i would suggest throwing some points into sacrifice.
 
[exile] said:
summoned is right -- razor's edge is a cheap and effective weapon -- but it only has a range of 1 which can be a problem sometimes.

schaefer's is still one of the ultimate zealot weapons. but if you use it, make sure to shael it to help you get a better attack rate.

as for sacrifice -- like with any damage bonus skill, you need a weapon with good damage in the first place for it to really help you. if you do manage to get a schaefer's or something else with high damage, then i would suggest throwing some points into sacrifice.
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well i guess im doin right by putting all the skill points i get into sacrifice. ummm....:scratch:.....i got a schaefers on a mule...would nord's work for a weapon on the switch? also im looking to maybe chance my gaze to a 2 soc coa if i get my hands on one. anything else i could improve on? thanks exile for helpin me out.
 
nord's would work, but if you have a schaefer's, then definitely use the schaefer's instead.
gaze is generally preferred over coa in PvM for its leeching capabilities. unless, of course, you have enough leech to survive from other items; then, by all means, get and use a coa. :thumbsup:
also, andariel's face is a cheap, but amazing helm to have. its built-in 20% ias can help you a lot in reaching a higher zeal rate; socketing it with a jewel with ias can help out too. although using schaefer's hammer, a legendary mallet, will make it nearly impossible to get 4fpa (456% ias needed), the 5fpa breakpoint (125%) is certainly attainable. andy's also gives +2 to all skills and more life leech than gaze (but no mana leech).

-schaefers with shael: 40%
-andariels with jewel: 35%
-20%ias gloves (my choice would be laying of hands): 20%
-highlords: 20%
-nosferatu's coil: 10%
-ias jewel in armor/shield: 15% each
-fanaticism: ~35%

this gives you a maximum total of 190%ias, way more than enough for 5fpa. so you can always switch out some of this listed gear for slightly more viable gear (such as verdungo's, socketing shield/armor with more useful things, seraphs or maras instead of highlords, and you will STILL have 5fpa if you keep the rest of the gear.)

nord's would make it much easier to reach 4fps (142% ias needed), but the sacrifice in damage is just not worth it. plus, schaefer's has the ability to cast static field, an amazing bonus, especially against bosses.
 
[exile] said:
nord's would work, but if you have a schaefer's, then definitely use the schaefer's instead.
gaze is generally preferred over coa in PvM for its leeching capabilities. unless, of course, you have enough leech to survive from other items; then, by all means, get and use a coa. :thumbsup:
also, andariel's face is a cheap, but amazing helm to have. its built-in 20% ias can help you a lot in reaching a higher zeal rate; socketing it with a jewel with ias can help out too. although using schaefer's hammer, a legendary mallet, will make it nearly impossible to get 4fpa (456% ias needed), the 5fpa breakpoint (125%) is certainly attainable. andy's also gives +2 to all skills and more life leech than gaze (but no mana leech).

-schaefers with shael: 40%
-andariels with jewel: 35%
-20%ias gloves (my choice would be laying of hands): 20%
-highlords: 20%
-nosferatu's coil: 10%
-ias jewel in armor/shield: 15% each
-fanaticism: ~35%

this gives you a maximum total of 190%ias, way more than enough for 5fpa. so you can always switch out some of this listed gear for slightly more viable gear (such as verdungo's, socketing shield/armor with more useful things, seraphs or maras instead of highlords, and you will STILL have 5fpa if you keep the rest of the gear.)

nord's would make it much easier to reach 4fps (142% ias needed), but the sacrifice in damage is just not worth it. plus, schaefer's has the ability to cast static field, an amazing bonus, especially against bosses.
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ok i have a few questions about this. first....would dracs be a good replacement for layin of hands? cuzz i was looking at the ll and - defense. also what does fpa stand for? im not used to the pally build. hell before this the only high level character i had was a necro so. and i was thinking about using nords as my weapon on switch, either that or frostwind, with a zak on the switch too. someone gave me the 2nd zak for free. also do you think enigma would help this pally out seeing of the + to skills? or should i stick with my ga? exile im gonna owe you for this. thanks in advance bro
 
first of all, you owe me nothing -- i piss my day away on these forums anyways and it's not like i would do anything better. :D

but that's besides the point.

dracul's is generally accepted as the best all-around gloves, but as i guess you know, it lacks the 20% ias of laying of hands, as well as the fire resists to balance out with the -30% from andy's. if you do decide to use dracul's, make sure that you make up for the lost ias -- you still need at least 15%, possibly from a jewel in your armor or shield (i just saw now that you already HAVE 15ias in your HoZ, so no need to change that :D) -- to reach 5fpa. (fpa = frames per attack; d2 runs using 25 frames per second. so you will hit five times per second.) heck, the only reason why i really put laying of hands was for the ias and bonus damage to demons, but i really do prefer dracul's.

nord's and frostwind are both decent choices for switch weapons -- but the baranar's star seems like it might be a better choice for the 200% bonus to attack rating and larger amount of ias. but the ultimate elemtal damage weapon is, IMO, azurewrath. if you can get one, put in on switch. it easily suprasses both nord's and baranar's.

enigma is great to have on any character, but i find it's a bit overkill. guardian angel gives basically every mod that paladins hold dear. if you can run around with 90 all resists but just one skill point less... wow. (i'm sort of wondering if you forgot that guardian angel also gives +1 to paladin skills?) i would choose resists over a small bonus in damage any day. and my god -- those blocking bonuses simply CAN'T be ignored. with such a large bonus to ctb (chance to block), you'll have MANY more points to pour into vitality, thus making you live longer too.

the defense question around armor is pretty simple. if you have over 10k defense after holy shield, you're good to go in melee pvm. :thumbsup:
 
Herosis said:
Ok i need some help. Im gonna list gear and stats then state the prob.

Gear
8/8/18 gaze
24 maras
15res/15ias jeweled Hoz
Waterwalks
Verdungos
5ll BK Ring
9ll Carrion
5ll Venomgrips
Guardian Angel
2x Pcombats

On the switch i got a 102 res gilded shield and zakarums hand.

Skills
Max zeal
Max holy shield
Max Fanaticism
1 into conviction
2 into light, fire, and cold res

now even with zeal he's only doing like max 2000 damage and it takes forever to kill a boss. I was tryin to get it to where i could walk through the game and play without it takin so long, but its taken forever so far. His defense is high enough with hs, but i cant figure the rest out. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
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Yep...hes ruined...JK!

You are fine...but your weapon choice is like taking a wiffle bat to the plate against Randy Johnson. I would change up your weapon...find something with deadly strike on it....
 
LOL euro, i've seen two of your posts since i joined and both involved you preaching about deadly stirke weapons -- namely razor's edge :lol:

i won't say you're wrong, because you're definitely not. but.. come on. razor's edge = ugly = 0 style points, lol. schaefer's is just damn sexy. nobody likes a kitchen cleaver-wielding powerhouse.

plus, razor's doesn't give that nice attack rating bonus that schaefer's does. nor does it have static field, nor does it produce that satisfying 'thok' sound when you hit something like schaefer's does.
 
im also tryin to figure out how to get my resistances up. ive got like 5 or 6 4/5 all scs, pluss 65 from hoz, 24 from maras, and i cant think of what else. but the only thing that is maxed and its at 95 is my poison damage. everything else sucks, and until i can solve that problem i gotta keep gaze and all my ll stuff otherwise ill die in hell. any suggestions? im gonna try to get my hands on an azure....hopefully i can get one pretty cheap...doubtful tho....and then socket my other hoz with a 15ias/15res jewel if i ever find one...after that i think ill use andy's helm, but only if i can get my resistances maxed, which im having major problems with.
 
[exile] said:
LOL euro, i've seen two of your posts since i joined and both involved you preaching about deadly stirke weapons -- namely razor's edge :lol:

i won't say you're wrong, because you're definitely not. but.. come on. razor's edge = ugly = 0 style points, lol. schaefer's is just damn sexy. nobody likes a kitchen cleaver-wielding powerhouse.

plus, razor's doesn't give that nice attack rating bonus that schaefer's does. nor does it have static field, nor does it produce that satisfying 'thok' sound when you hit something like schaefer's does.
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No...never said anything about Razor's Edge. If I did I don't remember...but I do remember saying plenty about Deadly Strike, and Open Wounds, and Crushing Blow (less effective in PvP).

But thanks...good to hear you noticed me. I get that a lot...it must be the massive muscles or the vast quantities of liquor I fail to consume.
 
@herosis - there's always annihilus, um rune in GA, credendum belt, anya quest. here's how my pally stacks up:
-30 from anya
-65 from coh
-69 from pdiamond HoZ
-rare circlet, +2paladin, +15res all, +20% frw

thats already 79 (more than max) resists in hell.

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for you:
-30 anya
-65 HoZ
-24 mara
-15 um'd GA
-~25 from your charms

gives 59 res all in hell. throw in an annihilus (+16 or more res all), and you have 75 all. add in another few charms... hot damn, you have 90 res. or, you could use the credendum belt i mentioned. some rare rings also spawn with res all; look for dual leech with res all mods (very expensive/impossible to find, though).

your only problem might be with fire, because of andy's, but that's easily fixed with a fire resist GC. a lot of charms taking up a lot of space, i know, but thats the price you pay to have max resists on chars that arent barbs... UNLESS you decide to strap on a coh like me. that will save you a ton of space, but just to tell you, i only use coh because i dont have a maras. if i had a maras, i would try to work around it and avoid using a coh to wear a GA.





@euro-crash: right-o, it seems i got you mixed up with someone else. looks like i'm consuming your portion of liquor for you. :drink:
 
for a pvm zealot, if you get the ias, its pretty hard to beat shaeffers. ar, static field, good damage, ias, 50 life, 75 lightning resist, etc. makes it one helluva pvm weapon. also, with fanaticism at level 20, you need 120 ias total with a legendary mallet to hit 4 fpa zeal.

using the gear he mentioned, you will hit 4 fpa with a shaeffers, so yes, its a great weapon. its range is limited, but thats not such a big deal in pvm. Good luck with him!

--welt
 
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