CommandoMancer Guide v3.0

[Beatboxer]

CEG, the necro of 1.09 was sadly weak compared to the other classes, pretty much ALL of them were stronger and the necro was indeed much better suited to a back-up position among the party. Sad but true.

-Bone spells reletively weak
-Minions near worthless outside of golem
-Curses always were good but that's the point

 

[CEG]

CEG, the necro of 1.09 was sadly weak compared to the other classes, pretty much ALL of them were stronger and the necro was indeed much better suited to a back-up position among the party. Sad but true.

-Bone spells reletively weak
-Minions near worthless outside of golem
-Curses always were good but that's the point

Wrong, the necro of .09 was quite powerful. By far the most powerful was the Artillery necro. Mine could easily solo all parts of the game and in 8 player cows. Summoners also were quite capable of holding there own (I also had one). Necros were also quite powerful in pvp. The necro was not by any means weak in .09. He may have required more strategy to make succesful, but if made/equipped/played right he could hold his own with any other char in any part of the game.

 

[TheKbob]

Never the less, I was never fortunate enough to have the really overtly powerful gear to make a grand boner in 1.09. They were mere curse bitches back then for alot of people. It's also for fun, lighten up

I dueled a little with Dracoy and his uber bone/summoner that he was put WAY too much crap into (can we say 10x summon charms with the lowest life amount of 34, and ALL of them have life). Oh well, we figured mainly that I was too much of a tank with my skeles and his bone spells werent really hurting anything, save like 3 mages after 2 min worth of me trying to catch him porting. Now if he would stand still :wink2: but alas, not in the nature of a Boner.

Like this guide was first started, Commando was never meant to be a PvP char. It was just an added bonus. It's more for killing pubbies and laughing a bit at the OMGs, but yeah. Enjoy people!

~Kbob

 

[Beatboxer]

Wrong, the necro of .09 was quite powerful. By far the most powerful was the Artillery necro. Mine could easily solo all parts of the game and in 8 player cows. Summoners also were quite capable of holding there own (I also had one). Necros were also quite powerful in pvp. The necro was not by any means weak in .09. He may have required more strategy to make succesful, but if made/equipped/played right he could hold his own with any other char in any part of the game.

I never said the necro was weak, I said he was comparitively underpowered when compared which is true. All the other classes were much more powerful, by most peolples estimates and so I agree with Kbob's humorous introduction comment.

Why do you think there were all those cartoons and storie and jokes and in game comments about necros? There was a reason and I gave the short list in my last post.

 

[Dracoy]

Kbob~ Next time we duel ill actually use summons hehe but alas im a lazy fellow T_T Itsusually who gets lucky first shot hehe.

 

[uncreativereally]

I never said the necro was weak, I said he was comparitively underpowered when compared which is true. All the other classes were much more powerful, by most peolples estimates and so I agree with Kbob's humorous introduction comment.

Why do you think there were all those cartoons and storie and jokes and in game comments about necros? There was a reason and I gave the short list in my last post.

"comparitively" underpowered? My IM/Blood and my Arty could solo half the cow lvl in the time it took the other 7 to kill the other half. Oh, and yes even with lighting fury zons. In duels DR/Block necros beat everyone ts/orb sorcs, GA zons, or any other character. Yes, most people estimated that necros were weak but most people now estimate that revives are better than skeletons.

All the jokes, stories, and cartoon make necros look bad because they couldn't get a necro to work.

 

[Beatboxer]

*sigh* well I guess we all have our experiences and opinions....

When my 1.09 skels couldn't take a quill rat with confidence and it took about 3-5(!) bone spirits to take down one of those bloody foothills guys in an 8 player game, while barbs and zons were happily wiping the battlefeild clean....that's where I'm comin' from.

This topic is very one year ago....

 

[Asheron]

My commandonub is now officially lvl 76 !

He's pretty fun and versatile,though I have no clue how you got that much melee damage. ~_~"

Prolly going to max Pdagger now,and then we'll see.. ^^

 

[TheKbob]

Mines only sitting at 71, but that is due to the fact he isnt through hell and I have 3 other chars to level.

Just enjoy the guide. I like the intro and it's my guide, so the intro stays. If that is the only thing wrong with my guide, then :clap: for me :drool:

~Kbob

 

[47thRonin]

I agree, necros were underpowered in 1.09. You actually had to have brains to make a good nec, not just with skill and stat point assessment but with strategic gameplay as well..... not that 1.10 necros can be masterfully wielded by idiots.

-47thRonin

 

[gvandale]

ladies, I think we're missing the point here (ceg & uncreativereally),

This isn't a 1.09 guide. This isn't a 1.09 game. Move past reading that one paragraph, learn about the commandomancer, and then decide if it's a build you would like to try.

If not, move on.

If so, post your questions / thoughts / experiences.

cheers to Kbob for the AWESOME guide.

g

 

[Asheron]

Mines only sitting at 71, but that is due to the fact he isnt through hell and I have 3 other chars to level.

Just enjoy the guide. I like the intro and it's my guide, so the intro stays. If that is the only thing wrong with my guide, then :clap: for me :drool:

~Kbob

agreed,mad props for teh guidezor!


btw. what is your engima in and whats your base str? ^_^

i know im curious! :surprise:

 

[CEG]

ladies, I think we're missing the point here (ceg & uncreativereally),

This isn't a 1.09 guide. This isn't a 1.09 game. Move past reading that one paragraph, learn about the commandomancer, and then decide if it's a build you would like to try.

If not, move on.

If so, post your questions / thoughts / experiences.

cheers to Kbob for the AWESOME guide.

g

You missed the point. Nowhere did I claim that it is a .09 guide/game. I said in my first post that he wrote a good guide. I was just pointing a out a false statement. Whether or not he chooses to alter it is his choice. And I do not need you to point out to me what I should be doing.

 

[TheKbob]

agreed,mad props for teh guidezor!


btw. what is your engima in and whats your base str? ^_^

i know im curious! :surprise:

I'm fiddling with him. My first necro has 130~ Base str and used wirefleece enigma.

My new one has 95~ Base str and uses Great Hauberk enigma. (Breast plate types dont have the infamous red pants that some hate, but I would rather have a fleece again. Barechested necro! RUH!). I'm not getting the damage I was, though. So I may drop a few points in str and see how that affects damage.

~Kbob

 

[GordusMxus]

Kbob, I'm sorry if you were slighted by my somewhat caustic read on the build. I have no problems with your guide -- its well written, detailed, and entertaining to boot. We all agree that we want to build the highest level character possible.

Here's the rub: A poster in this thread wished he could have more info on how this build would work in single player. In a nutshell, no one in single player would ever remotely obtain all the uber gear and runes needed to make your full-on Commando. I have a lot of sp experience, including a lvl 82 magic finding Barb who, despite many great mid level items found, has never found a fraction of the top gear you list, let alone the runes.

My point is that your full-on character is REALM DEPENDENT, period. Thats the only way you could get all the gear. I think you will have to agree to this point. And where does this stuff come from? How much of it is duped/hacked ? We have no way of knowing when we trade. Just traded for a nice Beast/Enigma? Maybe it came from D2Items.com... How about those Ber/Jah runes? All those Zods for trade... I bet someone found them on the ground, eh? Or is this build only possible thanks to the results of thousands of bots scavenging the realms?

IE: I have a half a dozen realm chars in the 70-90 lvl range. The highest rune found on the ground so far is a Mal. The highest from a hellforge is Gul. See what I'm saying?

So in a sense your Commando character, and ALL the other top-end class characters, are dependent upon the items needed generated in dubious ways. Any character who trades on the realms is, but we gladly take something we need/want and dont question it's origin.

Because of this I still think this is a summoner top gear listing rather than a build guide.

So I think you should state in your disclaimer that sp players can try for this but expect to be disappointed when the gear does not materialize and what you are left with is merely a good summoner.

ps: gvandale, please spare us your dispeptic outbursts. TY

 

[TheKbob]

A few things:

One, SP generators. They don't break the third party agreement and also, playing SP purist style gets old, real quick. Oh don't use a generator if you want to do "single player trading".. :cheesy: Yes, that exists in the SP forum.

Two, This isnt JUST a summoner. READ THE GUIDE INTO:

Summon + MELEE + Aura

Thank you.

Three: I made my beast caddy, found the white caddy, added sockets, had all runes save ber. Traded for enigma. We all know that at least 80% runes are duped, but saying this build is impossible is foolish. Necrochild and many others on these forums have found Zod. I have found many "high runes" including Ohm and Cham.

Too finish: Don't come to flame a build just because your SP and don't like the condition and origins of items on the realms. You are better off trotting back to the SP forum and conducting in some SP trading for items. You can get all you want there. The riduculous thing is, I want to know how they tell whether or not people are using generated items... but wait. Why would anyone want to trade when they could make their own already.

Please don't post my guide unless you have actual Constructive Critiscism instead of " This sucks, I can't get that stuff. Therefore this build sucks!"

:wave:

~Kbob

 

[memememe173]

A few things:

One, SP generators. They don't break the third party agreement and also, playing SP purist style gets old, real quick. Oh don't use a generator if you want to do "single player trading".. :cheesy: Yes, that exists in the SP forum.

Two, This isnt JUST a summoner. READ THE GUIDE INTO:

Summon + MELEE + Aura

Thank you.

Three: I made my beast caddy, found the white caddy, added sockets, had all runes save ber. Traded for enigma. We all know that at least 80% runes are duped, but saying this build is impossible is foolish. Necrochild and many others on these forums have found Zod. I have found many "high runes" including Ohm and Cham.

Too finish: Don't come to flame a build just because your SP and don't like the condition and origins of items on the realms. You are better off trotting back to the SP forum and conducting in some SP trading for items. You can get all you want there. The riduculous thing is, I want to know how they tell whether or not people are using generated items... but wait. Why would anyone want to trade when they could make their own already.

Please don't post my guide unless you have actual Constructive Critiscism instead of " This sucks, I can't get that stuff. Therefore this build sucks!"

:wave:

~Kbob

I missed this part in his post, seems to me, he's one of the many realm off (and ON!) players who imediatly suspect any very rare item...

GordusMxus hit something very key...yes you need some amount of high end gear to be a commandomancer...BUT!...that's what makes it a commandomancer, other wise it's a summoner who fights, but (IMHaughtyO) it's only truely a commando with all (read most) of the gear in place

and if you can't afford everything, pick out what you think would be the most helpful, and then improvise for the rest...that's what makes this game great

 

[Beatboxer]

This gear issue is the oldest 'arguement' on the forums...

Bottom line, you need items to play this game, you get items form playing the game. The designers/programmers botched the drop system in favor of a large trading evironment; that's just the nature of this game's mechanics, even more so with legit runes scarcity and place in 1.10.

I don't like hackkers and dupes and such but since the programmers are so damn stingy with runes no wonder someone did something about it. What if the government was holding back on printing money and everyone had to sufer with wearing Kmart clothes? Would you blame the guy that made his own tradeable goods to stimulate the economy and allow a better distribution of the wealth? Or would you blame the guy who traded for the new, much better clothes? Or would you dutifully wear those Kmart rags and eat that government cheese and pretend like your having fun?

Outside of the above single players can trade in the single player commuity forum or simply get themselves an item pack and have a good old time of it, like Kbob said.

The most fun builds are those who are equipped well and many top gear choices drastically affect a character's performance and allow hybrid options not possible without that top gear.

It's the way the game is set-up sadly...You canot melee with a necro, untwinked, very well, without extreme diffuculty. Try and you'll see. The build presented by Kbob is one of the most powerful all around characters in the game due inlarge to his specific gear/skill choices but that's what a guides all about isn't it?

Gordus (sp) if your really looking for an untwinked melee necro guide I have word of one 'dropping' within the week or so; if your just overcome with single playeritus and like to flame builds not easily done untwinked then I have said my peice.

Have fun playing your cheap *** computer game and please do direct your item-drop-hate at the *** handlin' programers who gave casual players the shaft.:bow:

O ya..and have a nice day. :wave:


Edit: Damn that turned out to be long...

 

[gvandale]

gvandale, please spare us your dispeptic outbursts. TY

School time trick-daddy:
1. Who is us? You're the only one fighting the 'norm' here pal, and your fighting a losing battle.
2. It's properly spelled dyspeptic
3. I do not have indegestion, and I am not morose in any way shape or form. I am tired of morons like you that post horsesh*t like you did.

Since you have a hard time comprehending Kbob's guide, let me point out 1 area you must have missed, and it goes a little something like this...

Disclaimer: It seems some people do not understand that this can be an expensive build. It can still be enjoyed with lower end gear, but please remember that this is more or less the professional level of Summoner.

Now...did you miss that part again...

this can be an expensive build.

Get it yet?

Now go home to your little SPF home of flaming troll trash, and beat it!

g

 

[VoodooCamel]

Well done kbob!

You probably dont know who I am, but thats okay :drool:

Lets not ruin kbob's perfectly good guide thread with a flame fest!

Also, I myself am a complete pauper, but am thinking of making one of these (come on meph, drop me another bstar and shaft :flip: )

Please, if you do not like this thread, or anything mentioned within it, and it is not constructive in any sort of way, keep it to yourself and just like the back button.

p.s. How'd the bowazon turn out kbob? You and your godly circlet :lol: