Cheating

like the post above, except for different

i gagged and hogtied my voice to itself, then threw it off a 100 story building, squishing the voice and killing the urge... ahhh freedom. :thumbsup:
 
back in 1.09, before finding ATMA and this forum, I used Shadowmaster to 'fix' characters. I never created unbeatable characters. I just used it to mule items between characters and to 'correct' misplaced skill & stat points. My personal rule was not to change anything beyond what would be possible in-game. however, I eventually found item packs online and gave my assassin a Nat's Set (a distributed a few low level uniques and some nice rares to other characters) since it seemed she would never find it on her own.

Once 1.10 came out, I deleted my old (read: hacked) characters and started fresh. Now that I have an easy way of storing/muling items, the only temptation to hack is to 'fix' misplaced points. I have no desire at all to create some übercharacter or use duped items since I know I can get plenty of good items in game now or by trading here.
 
Nightfish said:
One other thing I've been thinking about is, what's the difference between twinking and cheating? If I use my necro to run for a windforce and then give that to my zon, what's the difference between that and if I had used the WF from the item pack? For the zon, there is no difference. She got a windforce she didn't find. The only difference is how long it took me to get that item. Luckily, I already have most of the items in the game so I don't need to really cheat, but I guess I won't look at my twinked characters the same anymore.
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Well, dude, i think you're being too hard on yourself. I suppose technically you're right, to the amazon there's no difference between you cheating and twinking. But that's not where it matters. What matters is the difference relative to YOU :) If you used a necro to run a windforce, YOU put in the time and effort to earn that weapon. There's a definite difference between that and swiping a WF from that cursed item pack.

Oh, the irony of it all: the creator of the fishymancer, one of the great sources of twinked equipment, expressing angst about twinking :) Relax and have a drink on me at the EMB sir. In fact, a drink on me for all at the EMB!

-FF

edit: Just saw your latest post, derek06. Kudos to you for doing the right thing :)
 
you know, people buy rounds so easily we should actually start *charging*

everytime you order a drink or buy a round send an item to some giveaway thread =-P now that would make it interesting if not too impractical =-(


/hijack
 
DevontheGnomey said:
you know, people buy rounds so easily we should actually start *charging*

everytime you order a drink or buy a round send an item to some giveaway thread =-P now that would make it interesting if not too impractical =-(


/hijack
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You talkin' to me, DtG? :) I'll take you up on that.

-FF
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not expressing angst about it. I just don't think that cheating for items just to play a char is such a horrible thing as most people make it sound. What about people who don't want to spend 8 hours per day MFing but do want to use a windforce?

Personally, I'm not twinking a lot anyway. I don't see any challenge in playing a char wearing the full IK set. Sure, it's nice to look at but anyone can beat hell with that.
 
First time i played diablo.. even before i had an (decent.. i had a crappy modem) internet connection. i cheated a lot on diablo.. downloaded many items etc etc.. i was bored with the whole game and everything around it within about two weeks so i unstalled everything.
Then i got an internet connection and played bnet for more then two years but decided to go single player after only a little 1.10 bnerd.

Like most of the others have said... i am absolutely not bothered by "that little voice" because i already know how quickly the game will grow boring :)
 
I use the god mode once in a while when I play rainbow six, but that's only after my 15th faliure at a mission and I got really really frustrated. :)
 
Nightfish said:
I just don't think that cheating for items just to play a char is such a horrible thing as most people make it sound.
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You are entirely right. All the cheater has to do is hold his breath while he downloads and uses the editors or item packs. After holding his/her breath for a sufficient period, the cheater can pass out and die. Then there are no pangs of guilt at all... :uhhuh:
 
derek06 said:
Im just going to start a brand new zon from scratch. Im gonna go players8 all the way! wish me luck
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Derek, as a reward for playing the game the right way, I'll give you a 1.09 Buriza free of charge. PM me your email if interested.
 
DevontheGnomey said:
everytime you order a drink or buy a round send an item to some giveaway thread =-P now that would make it interesting if not too impractical =-(


/hijack
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Well, ok, as long as no-one minds me bumming drinks all the time. After I throw my uber l33t cracked sash in the bin I'm pretty much tapped as far as items go. :lol:

As for the true purpose of this thread, different people have different urges. First time I twinked (gave my Magefists to a starting sorc) I felt like I was cheating. My wife doesn't have those problems. But that's just twinking. I've never had the urge to actually take a bogus item into the game. Just don't see the point.

Good luck in getting over this little gremlin. Keep in mind, this attitude can all too easily creep into RL. Trust me, that's BAD news and you don't want to be there. Maybe I'm overly melodramatic but, from my experience, people who cut corners in one part of their life eventually cut corners all over and end up the worse for it. Just something to think about.
 
TekkaZeroX said:
You are entirely right. All the cheater has to do is hold his breath while he downloads and uses the editors or item packs. After holding his/her breath for a sufficient period, the cheater can pass out and die. Then there are no pangs of guilt at all... :uhhuh:
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As someone who once - even if somehow inadvertendly - cheated, you shouldn't really throw that stone, should you? You had to be shown what was right and wrong here, too, if I may remind you. Funny that you would strike the first matches now...
 
Ahhh lol cheating is only something you should do if you um.. nevermind, cheating is something you should never do :lol: I understand where you're coming from, but its more exciting lvling and living in the game drop by drop and monster to monster. There's allways that chance of dieing when you leave town, and there's allways a chance of that elite unique dropping whether you're mfing or just going through the game to gain some lvls, and when it happens your heart races and your eyes open wide. That's what's is great about playing legit. Have fun and may your drops be green and gold
 
What?!? you can cheat at this *#!$#@ game? I hate you all for not telling me sooner...

*goes to download 1337 itamz* (*misuses hacker language like parent speaking ubonics*)

Seriously, I never cheated until I found ATMA, cause I didn't know how. Then I cheated on accident once (duped something). Now, I know how not to cheat, and what fun is cheating anyway? Through helpful advice on this site, I've beaten 1.10 (cookie cutter chars, I do admit) and found some great items, and improvised a lot of others.

I love playing legit, and there isn't a single character that I regret not having played with items I found. For reasons of time, I twink like a mother, but my first character, non-twinked, non-standard build, full of wasted points, yet still matted, is my favorite one. You rule, Wy_Kickassin...(what a stupid name).
 
Ultimately...

Get a char up to about level 15, legitimately (can be done reasonably quickly on /p8).

Start a new game, on /p1. Kill things in the Blood Moor and Den of Evil.

See how easy it is? Nothing can touch you, you 1-hit kill everything...

If you want the "cheating experience", just do this. It's completely legit and gives you the same feeling of being really really macho...
 
IMO, it comes down to a question of why do you play the game. If it's to have the 'best' character or have the 'best' gear, then the temptation to cheat is very real. Comparing yourself to someone else will inevidibly leave you lacking. Because there is always someone who is a better player, or has more time to devote, or has other advantages. So in order to "keep up with the Jones's", many resort to cheating. Because cheating produces tangible results, i.e., you end up with 'better' characters. And you can 'impress' other players of that mindset. But if you play for the fun and challenge of the game, cheating is counter productive. It ends up making things too easy, and you deprive yourself of the things that attracted you to the game in the first place.
Nightfish said:
One other thing I've been thinking about is, what's the difference between twinking and cheating?
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For the 'competitive' gamer, cheating is their antithesis. It destroys everything they play the game for. While twinking is their bread and butter, and is the main source of their 'power'. For these players the difference between cheating and twinking is night and day. But for the 'fun/challenge' player, there is no real difference between cheating and twinking. Both ruin the challenge of the game, and make it far to easy to make the game any 'fun'.

Many people claim to twink their characters (or 'rush' them) in order to make it to Hell difficulty quicker, where the 'real' challenge lies. But IMO, Hell is no more difficult relatively than Normal or NM. What is much more difficult to do is to twink the challenge out of Hell, like most people do with Normal and NM.
 
I have never moved anything between my characters, I have never traded anything and I have never ran/milked/repeated any area/boss in D2 LoD. Everything gets killed once. No more, no less.

Breaking any of the mentioned "conducts" would feel like cheating to me. As a result, I am not a spoiled player. I still consider a perfect (30/25) pair of Coral Heavy Gloves of Fortune to be an awesome item, at least in Normal.


BongoFury said:
But for the 'fun/challenge' player, there is no real difference between cheating and twinking. Both ruin the challenge of the game, and make it far to easy to make the game any 'fun'.
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I guess I fall into this category, then. But I haven´t thought of it in ways of ruining a challenge or making the game too easy. I think more in ways of "these items would not belong to this character", sort of a roleplaying "ethical" matter or something.
 
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