Bone vs. Bone (NvN) Miniguide Part 2 - Spear Sniping

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Bone vs. Bone (NvN) Miniguide Part 2 - Spear Sniping

So last week I decided to write a miniguide focusing on Bone vs. Bone (NvN) dueling. I have recieved some really good feedback, and I appreciate those of you who found it was interesting enough to read it and comment on it.

I know I promised not to delve into the realm of NvN stategies, but I find that the particular topic is rarely discussed in the necromancer forum. So if the readers would forgive me for the slight fib, I will attempt to raise the topic and, hopefully, stimulate some discussion.

From my experience in NvN dueling in 1.10, bone spear has overshadowed bone spirit in terms of importance. It is faster, and it deals the same damage in higher levels. This, along with enigma, has made bone spirit almost obsolete in some NvN circles. Unless the opponent is playing very, very defensively, in which case IBS is used, more people will fall to teeth/spear combinations rather than spirit. In retrospect, it is rather ironic how a semi-useless spell in .09 would rise to such prominence in 1.10.

With that said, I would like to focus on a technique called Spear Sniping. It is one of the most powerful tactics a necro can use. As you know, the range on spear is roughly equal to two full teleports. Therefore it is possible to "snipe" your opponent with spear while still remaining off screen so he can not get a namelock. The proper usage of this technique is based on three premises.

1. Maintain a safe distance from your opponent. This means refrain from being on the same screen so your enemy can't namelock you.

2. Fire your spears in a precise and accurate manner without namelock.

3. Fire in "bursts". Each "burst" is equal to 1-3 teleperts and at the end of each one, a spear. So the pattern goes like this: tele-tele-spear, then tele-tele-tele-spear, then tele-spear. Of course, you can alternate the tele pattern to keep your opponent on his/her toes, but the thing to remember is to fire only 1 spear. Anymore spears will give your opponent time to get close and namelock you. As always, fire and move, fire and move.

Once you have wore down your opponent, then you can go in for the kill with namelock tele/spear. Or if you wish, finish him off using the spear snipe.

So there you have it, Spear Sniping. With proper usage and practice, it can be an invaluable tool in your arsenal, not only against necs, but also against other classes as well (particularly those pesky druids). As always, feedback and comment are welcome.

Thanks.
 
evil_bacteria said:
How are you supposed to hit him if you don't have namelock and he's offscreen?

that my friend is where aiming and skill comes into play, if you would like an example on USWest NL,

*souless-pvp

ill be happy to demonstrate :)
 
Yes it's very possible to still hit your opponent without namelock and offscreen if one can snipe well with spear. It's a semi advanced technique though because you won't be able to have namelock, and its not standing in one place and spamming spears either. To snipe well, one have to be constantly aware of how close the opponent is, the range of the spear, and the discipline not to stand in one place and fire more than one shot.

Oh and darknight how would you want me to compile the miniguides? Just start a new thread and cut/paste both miniguides together? I've never had anything stickied, so pardon my ignorance. :)
 
well how about we take all the info and compile it into a .txt file or something so i can read it easier, you can either email me or pm me, and we'll work it out from there, you take info/add info and ill add my own and anyone else's, then code it into HTML
 
soulesschild said:
well how about we take all the info and compile it into a .txt file or something so i can read it easier, you can either email me or pm me, and we'll work it out from there, you take info/add info and ill add my own and anyone else's, then code it into HTML


Sadly I am really bad at this converting stuff X_X. I don't know how to convert it into a .txt file. I can cut/paste the info and send it to u via email, but thats about the best I can do.
 
I did an NvN duel tonight. didnt fair so well do for some reason bnet didnt like me tonight. Every other teleport would do that fade in from black you know that your lagging thing. I would click almost a full screen distance to tele and go like 2 inches. I felt like was teleporting after my necro downed a case of beer and did some illegal substances.

Oh and though I dont really know due to the lag, most of my friends watching seems very odd that the 98% of my opponents bone spears were dead on accurate from almost max distance away. Either the most experienced sniper ever, which is possible, but others seemed to think it was AA (Auto aim for those who dont know). Really is a downer to duel someone using this.

I cant help supply tactics too much seeing that most of mine come from Souless's great guide. I shall try to polish my sniping skills (on a less laggy night).


Kbob's Addition to this Technique
I feel the best way to practice this Sniping technique is do norm blood moor runs. Go out and get max distance away from zombies, quill rats, and fallens. Aim your best. You should have something on with + mana after kill, so if you connect, you will see that little blue streak around your shoulder showing that your getting mana, therefore you scored a kill. Not as intense as a pvp situation, but it does help I feel to learn where to aim when a person is on your screen.

After you get standing and firing down. Then try walking and hitting. Then running and hitting. Then finally teleport around, choose a target, and hit it from as far as you can with one spear directly after a teleport.

PvM does have some use in the battle grounds :rolleyes:


~Kbob
 
It's quite possible that your opponent did AA if almost every spear hits the bullseye. Usually it takes me 5+ snipes just to score a direct hit, sometimes more. However I'm still practicing/perfecting this technique and hope to get more accurate as the time goes.
 
Name locking & auto aim. This is why I try to only do passworded duel games with people who i know won't use maphack or AA. The game is simple enough. Don't need a hack in a point & click game :(

Not a bad idea having a guide though like this for the pubby duelers.
 
Ahh thats spearing 101...

Spearing 102...

Heres a nice trick while NvN or regular PvP...
Watch your opponent, most duelers teleport around your spears then make a dash at you after your spears wizz by.

The trick is cast 2 bonespirits,
1 slightly left.
1 slightly right.

So when/if they dodge your spear they will tele into a spirit.

Another trick when your dueling another teleporter.
Most sorcs, assassins, etc... will try to teleport right behind you.
Spam teeth infront of you then spam 4-5 spirits behind you.
Your advisary will see the teeth and figure he can get behind you easily for the kill.
But the unsuspecting person will tele right into 5 spirits (at 6k per.) Hiyo!
I have killed alot of sorcs this way. works very well with orb'ers.

there are alot of forgotten .09 tricks that work well in 1.10, but alas enigma changed all that, remember when stealths were huge? Those were the days of true NvN.

tele doesnt = skill.

~Hypnectic~ :drink:
 
I've covered the 2 bone spirit/spear strategy myself already, and it WILL NOT work on experienced necromancers.

The whole teeth thing is stupid as well. Do you realize that when you spam spirits behind you, the will go farther out before a person will tele behind you? And people aren't going to tele far far behind you, if they do, they deserve to be killed. Skilled people will know exactly what you are trying to do and just get right next to you or on top of you. Your spirits wont help you then.

You haven't been dueling skilled people I'm sorry.

Tele = skill. Why? Because if you have a very bad tele pattern, then you obviously are going to get killed. If you know how to tele, you'll know just how to lay out teeth/spear/spirit fields so that you can herd your opponent into them.

I propose a challenge to you. Whether Open, or USWest NL, the challenge stands Hypnectic. Because you obviously don't know what you're talking about, along with your spelling of darkforce.
 
LOLOL cOME DuEL mmY baBAB NERCO HYpNOtEC??!!?

uSe OYur STRaTies thaT yuo PasteD from Old giMMEItaM sIte from 1.08.

GG
 
HAHAHA a challenge you say?

Well my first reaction to d!ckless childs post is...

I accept.

BTW Actually I said, tele doesnt mean skill. Can't you read? Or did I spell that wrong too? Jeebus... when did these forums get filled up with such little brats.

Besides, The 2 BS cast does work, it's always worked. Even since classic.
And the "teeth trap" works too, I have killed hundreds of sorcs with that.
I think you wanna just de-bunk anything I say in the forums jest Bekauze i cam't Spel stuff teh rite way. rofl.
Man I wish there was a squelch button for the forums, cuz D!ckless would sure be on my list of squelchies. hahaha

USEast:non-ladder: Corcoran421 Msg me anytime. ^^

~hypNECtic~
 
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