blade fury tweaks

[PsychoticEwok1]

blade fury tweaks

IM BACK!!!! (i bet no one noticed i left )

i was reading that blade furysin guide up top there... he seems to know wut hes doin. i have a lvl 57 BF sin, and im lookin for that equiment... but some of it needs tweaking in my book. (im new to 1.10 - i quit when my disc got scratched and then my friend gave me his so now i play again )

i was thinking - wut if instead of SOUL DRAINER gloves one used DRACULS GRASP insted - only thing it lacks is mana leech and it casts a much better curse - life tap

and as for a weapon, he said ETHEREAL CRYPTIC SWORD with crescent moon. how bout a nice eth berserker axe with crescent moon?

would the axe be better? i dont know yet, my acct got deleted and i need to get rich again. no stuff. all i have is a pair of Draculs Grasps i grabbed in my hell rush. they are 7 ll 11 str.

 

[Muffassa]

well, I ran some basic numbers on your question and here are the results (non eth)

Berzerker 24-71 ave 47
str 138
dex 59
total 197

cryptic 5-77 ave 41
str 99
dex 109
total 208

the advantage of the cryptic is that dex goes toward blocking (so it isn't wasted on just holding your weapon) where the "extra" str needed to equip your berzerker is "wasted" in that it doesn't help any other part of the build.

Now, concerning the gloves:
For mele, I definatly recommend Dracouls - but this isn't mele. yes, life tap is way cool - it makes the unleachable leachable. However, for the purpose of this build, weaken is a superior curse.

Think of it this way, weaken is a 33% damage reduction. That is equivalent to a stormshield and a string of ears - and that is ON TOP of the hidden damage reduction from Fade.

Meaning, when you do get hit, it won't hurt very much at all. That is really advantageous, because when you are "casting" Blade Fury, you are stationary, so you will get hit by stuff. All the extra damage reduction you can get helps a ton - and Soul Draners is a quick 33%.

 

[Ritslev]

...I was thinking - wut if instead of SOUL DRAINER gloves one used DRACULS GRASP insted - only thing it lacks is mana leech and it casts a much better curse - life tap..

Draculs have nice LL. You're not melee thus the Weaken of Soul Drainers is more important to keep your self + merc alive

...and as for a weapon, he said ETHEREAL CRYPTIC SWORD with crescent moon. how bout a nice eth berserker axe with crescent moon?..

Yeah the Axe would be better as I described I choose the sword for looks.. an Ettin Axe or a Beserker axe would give you slightly more damage but also higher requirements.


So though the gear U mention is quite elite, be careful which parts of it you choose. I'd personally if you want more damage go with an Ettin Eth axe.. and Soul Drainers.. just some advice

 

[lextalionis]

Draculs have nice LL. You're not melee thus the Weaken of Soul Drainers is more important to keep your self + merc alive


Yeah the Axe would be better as I described I choose the sword for looks.. an Ettin Axe or a Beserker axe would give you slightly more damage but also higher requirements.


So though the gear U mention is quite elite, be careful which parts of it you choose. I'd personally if you want more damage go with an Ettin Eth axe.. and Soul Drainers.. just some advice

I understnad the debate 33% more damage reduction vs being able to leech the unleechable at a ridiculous rate. I dont' think its as easy a decision as just saying Weaken is better than LL. -- Except for this. You can get LL from regular items, but there is no other way to get an additional 33% Damage Reduction.

 

[Tanatus]

If you play smart as a furysin your needs in life leaching is minimal .... while mana leaching is essential (altouth blades cost very little mana littering flor with DS will deplete your mana pool fairly fast). And as everyone said weaken is superior curse for furysin

 

[PsychoticEwok1]

ok, you said ettin axe, but y not zerker? the zerker has less STR and more DEX req, so the dex would go to blocking if u used a zerker, whereas with the ettin the points on STR are wasted...

well.. 50% of MY attack would, in my opinion be better than 33% damag3e reduc... i get hit once, turn around, blast the monster in its face and BOOM 3k life in a few quick hits. same for merc, but a little slower.

well, i found some draculs grasps recently, so wen i get soul drainers, ill try em out on a hell baal run or somethin and see which is better.

ZERKER AXES ALL THE WAY!!!

 

[PsychoticEwok1]

btw... with the crescent moon runeword, wtih -25% to enemy lightning resist, will that work on immunes?

i assume immunes have 100% resist, so if i have -35% (2 light facets) then can i damage them with lightning?

 

[Ritslev]

well.. 50% of MY attack would, in my opinion be better than 33% damag3e reduc... i get hit once, turn around, blast the monster in its face and BOOM 3k life in a few quick hits. same for merc, but a little slower.

BOOM : 3 K life.. cool. Doens't help you much though if you have only 750 life and the Black Souls or the Minions do their thing on you. Basically comparing :

You have 3k Life leech...
750 Life.
Take 750 Damage... and you're still dead.

You have 2% LL
750 Life
Take 750 / 33% : 502 Damage... and you still have a chance to leech.

YES I KNOW THIS CACULATIONS ISN'T CORRECT and that it wouldn't hold up in any court room.. it's not meant to. It's meant to show you the difference.
The Difference between having a chance to leech, even if just small amounts, compared to being able to leech huge amounts and then not being able to survive simply cause the damage output from the creatures is too large.

..ok, you said ettin axe, but y not zerker? the zerker has less STR and more DEX req, so the dex would go to blocking if u used a zerker, whereas with the ettin the points on STR are wasted......

Hmm not what I said.. reread .. I also stated : Yeah the Axe would be better as I described I choose the sword for looks.. an Ettin Axe or a Beserker axe would give you slightly more damage but also higher requirements.

Ettin Axe : (Better level requirement meaning you can use it sooner)
Avarage damage - 49.5
Str - 145
Dex - 45
Beserker : (Better stat requirement meaning you'll have a little more stats to use)
Avarage damage - 47.5
Str - 138
Dex - 58

While your arguement about the str and dex. In any build with a Fury Sin .. dex of 75 or more is a requirement.. at least in my book so either axe will do.

About the strength. 145 or 138. To be perfectly honest... nothing charms/more str/items wouldn't do.

My choice would be the Ettin.. yes on paper the Beserker looks better, I just have more experience with the Ettin and has had less with the Beserker. Point is :
Not everything on paper works out like you expect it to.
An example of this is AR and the BF. Many say that AR is a problem... and that in the build I created I would need a lot more... fact is.. I don't.
Anyways. You have a point I'ts not invalid.

 

[Ritslev]

...You can get LL from regular items, but there is no other way to get an additional 33% Damage Reduction....

*bows in your dust*

Perfectly formulate.

 

[lextalionis]

*bows in your dust* Originally Posted by lextalionis
...You can get LL from regular items, but there is no other way to get an additional 33% Damage Reduction....

Perfectly formulate.

Rits its funny how sometimes its really simple. And no one can explain it that way.

I just figured something out about the Werebear/Enchantress. She doesn't care that she can't use zeal because she can still reach 4fps attack rating with the normal WB attack animation and enough IAS. I had seen that written 100 times, but it just made sense to me tonight. I guess because people were making it overly complicated or because it was so obvious that they just thought everyone saw it. But it bothered me because I thought I was giving up attack speed if I went for the WB Sorceress.

I know I do this too sometimes.

So anyway the answer is this: Since you can only have one curse active at a time. Weaken is better since it gives you something you can't get from the rest of your gear-- an extra 33% DR. But you still can have plenty of LL from other places on your gear, and get enough LL to keep yourself alive in most situations.

Of course there are still monsters that you can't LL that Lifetap will let you leach, and I'm not going to put anyone down for liking Lifetap more, but I've been converted. I think I like weaken over Lifetap.