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h0nkeythecracker said:
I'd use the two skills, it's not like you did anything against the rules. Secondly, there are no rules for Diablo II, so do whatever is most fun for you. On a different note, some people in this forum worry too much about being 100% legit. If he received two extra skill points, then so be it. I'm sure if someone received a million dollars from the government and knew it was a mistake, they wouldn't give it back. Especially if they knew the government didn't have a clue about who had the money. Again, nice luckiness skills on those two extra skill points and good luck to you. To the other people, chill out, two extra skill points won't make his character uber 1337z0r.

-Sean
Unfortunately your argument is flawed.

If your received $1 million in your bank and you knew it was a mistake, then if you spend that money you can be accountable for theft - afterall you knew the money wasn't yours. And yes, even after you've bought the cars, you will still be accountable, and they will sell everything you have and you WILL go bankrupt - and then jail.

Oh and Sam yes the Government will hassle you, as they hassle you with TAX money, not their own. If they didn't and it happened again then they have no precident to demand the money back, and no repurcussions for people spending the money.

So basically, and legally, you spend that million and you're screwed.
 
Turning OT, but w/e...

Even though this is turning totally OT, I'll try to explain this once more. I said you would get the million AND NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW YOU HAVE THE MONEY. In other words, you have the money, no one is going to find out and no one will question you. The guy was playing single player so it's not like Decard Cain is going to bust in and tell him, "You shouldn't use those two extra skills points!" I also know that he did add it up wrong, but that's not the point. Also, those people trying to say their conscience would plague them are lying, most of them at least. Humans are naturally greedy and selfish. It's not like we can do anything about that, it's just the way we've evolved. I'm sure there are cases in which a person isn't greedy or selfish, but on the whole, I'd say about 99% of people on this planet would save themselves over two other people they didn't know. I know I would, I'm not going to try to deny it and "be an upstanding citizen."

-Sean
 
h0nkeythecracker said:
Even though this is turning totally OT, I'll try to explain this once more. I said you would get the million AND NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW YOU HAVE THE MONEY. In other words, you have the money, no one is going to find out and no one will question you. The guy was playing single player so it's not like Decard Cain is going to bust in and tell him, "You shouldn't use those two extra skills points!" I also know that he did add it up wrong, but that's not the point. Also, those people trying to say their conscience would plague them are lying, most of them at least. Humans are naturally greedy and selfish. It's not like we can do anything about that, it's just the way we've evolved. I'm sure there are cases in which a person isn't greedy or selfish, but on the whole, I'd say about 99% of people on this planet would save themselves over two other people they didn't know. I know I would, I'm not going to try to deny it and "be an upstanding citizen."

-Sean
1. Who are you to decide who is lying and who isn't? Some people do have standards, ethics and morals.

2. We did not 'evolve' selfish and greedy. That is a whipping boy statement for a person's own faults. See you jump from ethics to self preservation - yes most people would save themselves, that's a natural instinct: most of the animal kingdom also have this instinct. However being honest is not a chromosone it's a mental process, and one which is learnt and not innate which self preservation is.

3. As you say you're more interested in yourself, and for that, I feel sorry for you. Because, sadly what goes around comes around. People with your attitude are generally the one's who say "It's survival of the fittest, and I will save myself over anyone else" - that's great, until they themselves become victims of their own mentality and curse everyone else around them for not helping them.
 
Heh...

You must not know that humans aren't perfect. Humans lie, cheat and steal. I'm pretty sure at one point everyone has lied, cheated or stolen something. Also, about being greedy and selfish not being an adaption, explain why the chief of cavemen tribes got the most food and got the best clothes, etc etc. I'll tell you one thing, it wasn't because he was being ethical. If you want to tell me that some people are perfect, go ahead, but I'm done arguing about this, because you do not understand that humans aren't especially nice to one another. P.C. (political correctness(?)) is what makes this world have more manners than most people want to have. If you say "black" then you're racist. If you say "Mexican" then you're racist. To avoid being called these things, people filter their mouths, so what you might be observing is different than what's happening in people's minds.

-Sean

P.S. If you're so nice, then could you please send me a hundred dollars, since you're more interested in other people instead of yourself. *sarcasm*
 
1. Yes I know we are not perfect, but I find your stereotype remarks quite amusing.
h0nkeythecracker said:
Humans lie, cheat and steal
And you've seen enough of life to make a generalised statement? Every human has the capacity to lie, cheat and steal - not everyone does however.
h0nkeythecracker said:
because you do not understand that humans aren't especially nice to one another
Another generalisation, except now you're telling me what I think or know. You really know how to chalk up the points. I am very aware that humans are generally not nice towards each other, the War for Oil in Iraq is testament to that. Perhaps Africa should find oil so people will care about them :)
h0nkeythecracker said:
Also, about being greedy and selfish not being an adaption, explain why the chief of cavemen tribes got the most food and got the best clothes, etc etc. I'll tell you one thing, it wasn't because he was being ethical
I am a little disadvantaged here because I do not believe I cam from an Ape. Sam may have, but not me :P This is the law of the land, everything in life has a hyerarchy, in this case we have a leader, and of course with leadership comes power, but also responsibility. Odds on when the caveman pack was threatened the Leader was expected to defend their territory. Just like the Pride Lion. The females kill, yet he takes his share first...however, when another male comes along the male is expected to fight - again power and responsibility.
b0nkersthecracker said:
If you say "black" then you're racist. If you say "Mexican" then you're racist
Don't know where you're from, but I've never been called racist by calling a black person "black" - perhaps if this has happened to you, maybe your mannerisms and mentality fit the bill.
h0nkeythecracker said:
P.S. If you're so nice, then could you please send me a hundred dollars, since you're more interested in other people instead of yourself. *sarcasm*
I would but I don't believe in supporting other peoples habits
 
Well, Milamber stole most of what I was going to say, but I'll speak my peace anyway.

Honkey's statements are, in a microcosm, typical of an attitude far too prevailing for my tastes. By grouping humanity into a single set of characteristics so as to feel superior seems to be an important part of many people's daily lives. If I may, I want to go back to the first issue, the skill points. Cinder realized his error, but assuming the game screwed up somehow, in this instance, I would say use them; a D2 SP game IS played in a vacuum, until that character is used for MP games or trades.

As far as the money is concerned, the concept that a sum that large could remain unnoticed by its rightful owners is as far-fetched as the idea of finding it in the first place. There are always consequences for any action; this is immutable natural law, and only by quirks of fate do most people avoid the reaction themselves. Even the mighty Mr. Gates would be quite concerned over the absence of 1 million dollars, even though that equates to about a dollar for you and me. Drug dealers? Trust me, they will not just shrug their shoulders and chuck it off. They will use brutal force on their own people to find out, probably hurting innocents along the way. The government? That money is ours-yours and mine, not theirs. They use it, often foolishly, but it is ours, not theirs...but we do like it when they keep track, don't we?

I am at heart an idealist. I turned 36 today, and I still believe that humanity can evolve from the darkness and reach the high ground we can attain if we all treat each other with courtesy, dignity and affection. I am often outwardly cynical, but that is usually generated at organizations instead of individuals, because nothing ruins thpught and freewill like a damned committee (attend a few corporate meetings to see this in action).

However, sadly, Honkey is quite correct that a great many people will try to get away with something if they can, and that in the main, most of us have. I have. at times, and yet...understanding that I am not perfect, and knowing that I strive to be so allows me, for my own peace of mind, to believe that I am an "upstanding citiczen", and I refuse to accept bad behavior as acceptable because "everybody else does it", or because "they screwed me/us, now it's my/our turn". We each know our own honor and self-worth, and I like to think most of us think like I do, but I am aware that many do not.

Steve
 
Well Said, Crudesash68 and Milamber

h0nkeythecracker said:
Also, those people trying to say their conscience would plague them are lying, most of them at least.

I find this interesting, that because your conscience would be ok with it, you assume it is ok and everyone else must just be "pretending" to have ethics.

Personally, I would keep the two points, and putting them into a skill that I would never use, as someone mentioned, sounds like the best fix to me.

I also would absolutely give the money back, no question. Yes, even if I knew there was no way anyone would ever possibly know about it, and even though the government isn't the best system around. Now if I gave the money back, and got some kind of a reward (obviously the government wouldn't do this, but a company or individual might) I would have fun spending the reward with no qualms.

Do I think humankind is morally or ethically "advanced"? No, but neither do I find the world quite such a depressing place as it must be for you, h0nkey. I'm guessing you are a "glass is half empty" kind of guy. Think of it this way: The glass is just twice as large as necessary. :thumbsup:
 
Milamber said:
BTW Steve...

Happy Birthday! I'm catching up to you "dawg" I've only 11 more years to go! :D
Thanks...25 was nice, you should savor it.

And to everyone out there-savor the time you live in now, for it will not come again. Whether you are 16, 36 or 76-living today to the fullest makes yesterday richer and tomorrow worth looking forward to.

Steve
 
All this crud about morals and ethics. I've seen more then enough to even consider people having either. Sure, they will do the "right" thing, as long as they gain something from it.

I'm not going to jump into this debate, i know what i know and nothing is going to change that. But how someone can be this naive is beyond me.
 
Solo said:
All this crud about morals and ethics. I've seen more then enough to even consider people having either. Sure, they will do the "right" thing, as long as they gain something from it.

I'm not going to jump into this debate, i know what i know and nothing is going to change that. But how someone can be this naive is beyond me.
Naive or not - I don't think most of the Forum here have seen that much of life to really state that people only do things if they gain something out of it - if this is what you have all experienced then I feel bad for you all.

These philosophical debates never end as there is no right or wrong, it's all based upon individual perceptions.

However, I think it is more naive to think people cannot be generous etc and not expect something in return. That is truly sad.
 
I'll be generous wherever i can, dont doubt that for a second. Open your eyes, look outside your window. The world definetly isn't an ideal place to live in.

"Naive or not - I don't think most of the Forum here have seen that much of life to really state that people only do things if they gain something out of it - if this is what you have all experienced then I feel bad for you all."

I might not have been around the world twice, but i've experienced the true nature of our dandy little civilazation fist hand, on a number of ocasions.
Don't feel bad for me, i'm happy to have learned the hard way and see what most people are really about.
 
Solo said:
I'll be generous wherever i can, dont doubt that for a second. Open your eyes, look outside your window. The world definetly isn't an ideal place to live in.

"Naive or not - I don't think most of the Forum here have seen that much of life to really state that people only do things if they gain something out of it - if this is what you have all experienced then I feel bad for you all."

I might not have been around the world twice, but i've experienced the true nature of our dandy little civilazation fist hand, on a number of ocasions.
Don't feel bad for me, i'm happy to have learned the hard way and see what most people are really about.
I think the thing with humanity is that we have such a capacity to do two extremes. We can be considerably loving, and at the same time hate with the same amount of passion.

Life experiences isn't about travelling the world twice, and I am not going to sit down with any member of this Forum and swap life's war stories - I've learnt that everyone carries a scar or two.

The world, and life is what you make it, and someone can only make you feel inferior if you allow them. Some people only see the good, others only bad, I think the best place is in the centre, because when you can see both sides you become the better person - if you act accordingly.

The world is a harsh place, it's not rose bushes that a lot of people think, I think a lot of people need reality checks, however it's also what you make it - and making the right decisions play a big part in this.
 
Milamber said:
Life experiences isn't about travelling the world twice, and I am not going to sit down with any member of this Forum and swap life's war stories - I've learnt that everyone carries a scar or two.

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The world is a harsh place, it's not rose bushes that a lot of people think, I think a lot of people need reality checks, however it's also what you make it - and making the right decisions play a big part in this.

Well don't worry, i wasn't about to.

True, life might be what you make of it, but sometimes decisions are handed to you. I'm a little fed up with people saying its all about the things you do; What other people do plays just a big a role in your own life as anything else.

But maybe for another time, not the time nor place to have this discussion.
 
Solo said:
Well don't worry, i wasn't about to.

No but what I do find is that a lot of disgruntled people go, "I've seen this" and "I've seen that" - it's a typical attention seeking ploy, whether for sympathy or not I don't know. Every person likes to say, "look at me" - and I am not just directing this at you either.

Every likes to impress how they've been scarred more, or they know more about people.

Sorry to say, most people are victims of two things:

1. Circumstance; and,
2. Themselves.

Solo said:
True, life might be what you make of it, but sometimes decisions are handed to you

This is not true, there is always a choice - even when you are handed one you can still decline. There is a little saying about luck - and that is you make it yourself.

Solo said:
I'm a little fed up with people saying its all about the things you do; What other people do plays just a big a role in your own life as anything else

That's right, every person that we come into contact with has an impact upon ourselves.

However, other people don't control your actions or reactions.

People think in such a glass house. Because things aren't going right at place A then they don't think about place B.

Life can deal out some shite, but this is what tests a person's character. Generally it's a poor character who points blame at others and cries foul to the world.

Solo said:
But maybe for another time, not the time nor place to have this discussion.

I like it when people can have discussions and not take it personally :thumbsup:
 
Whichever way you might have taken it, i didnt mean it as a way to get attention. Just telling you, i'm not some 12 year old kid with a perfect live telling others how it is.

I get no satisfaction from telling other people just how good or bad my life has been, none whatsoever.
I do "like" to talk about my life, however. It enables me to cope with alot of things, sadly alot of people take it as boasting.

In most conditions i will agree with you. There is generally always a choice to be made. The ugly fact however is that you might not like either of them. Not that life is about liking ever step you make, but thats a different story.

[Edit]: Just one more thing i'd like to say. You make it sound as if whatever bad things happen to someone it ends up being their fault in one way or another. Simply put, i disagree in each and every way.
 
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