Best way to get soj

Sluggy said:
I have a few sojs and my method went like this:
1. Run hell andy - if she does not drop a unique ring, exit game and do it again
2. If she drops a unique ring id it - if its not soj run meph and clear chaos

I need to use two PCs to do this (clear cs with hammerdin, let sorc kill D with as much mf as possible).

There have been times where I found nagel/manald off of andy and meph and then just tried to play normall killing all the unique/champions I could find but I never had that third ring drop; imo its not worth the time so after meph drops nagel/manald I'd just suck it up, go kill D, and pray a little bit before next game.
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:xmas31: Funny thing is, is I did that very thing last night to find my first soj since starting again back in June. I was doing a closed game for trav runs. I close them because I put money on the ground in case I die, softcore, gotta love it. Anyway, both a nagel and manald drop in this one run. Knowing that if another unique ring drops in this game, it will have to be a soj, I kill Meph, and Andy, but no soj. So I start from act 1, looking for every boss I can find to kill. Sure enough, one of the bosses in cold plain drops the Soj. The other thing is this barb only uses about 225 mf. Maybe that helped. Still, if I have a game where I know the chances of a Soj dropping is increased because the other rings have dropped, I will definately wring that game dry for a soj.

One question tho. It used to be you could gamble for soj early one, say from 1.0-1.04 or so, then they made it so you couldn't gamble for a soj. My question, is it still that way, unable to gamble for a soj?
 
BBlaze said:
:xmas31: Funny thing is, is I did that very thing last night to find my first soj since starting again back in June. I was doing a closed game for trav runs. I close them because I put money on the ground in case I die, softcore, gotta love it. Anyway, both a nagel and manald drop in this one run. Knowing that if another unique ring drops in this game, it will have to be a soj, I kill Meph, and Andy, but no soj. So I start from act 1, looking for every boss I can find to kill. Sure enough, one of the bosses in cold plain drops the Soj. The other thing is this barb only uses about 225 mf. Maybe that helped. Still, if I have a game where I know the chances of a Soj dropping is increased because the other rings have dropped, I will definately wring that game dry for a soj.

One question tho. It used to be you could gamble for soj early one, say from 1.0-1.04 or so, then they made it so you couldn't gamble for a soj. My question, is it still that way, unable to gamble for a soj?
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You can gamble an soj but the chances are like 1 in a million iirc









Fred
 
BBlaze said:
Still, if I have a game where I know the chances of a Soj dropping is increased because the other rings have dropped, I will definately wring that game dry for a soj.
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I am afraid drops dont work like that, if the drop calculation selects a ring to drop, if it then decides it is unique, it still rolls with same probabilities as always 15/31 nagel, 15/31 manald, 1/31 soj if the one it comes up with has already dropped it changes the quality to set item. So all you are doing is increasing the chances of a set ring to drop :(

This is how you get items with high durability obviously not rings and amulets as you cant see the durability on those, but weapons eg a 75 dur lance was first calculated to drop a lance then the quaility is calculated as unqiue but obviously no unique lances so it is set to set quality but no set lances either so it turns to rare quality each time increasing the durability.
 
Rawly said:
I am afraid drops dont work like that, if the drop calculation selects a ring to drop, if it then decides it is unique, it still rolls with same probabilities as always 15/31 nagel, 15/31 manald, 1/31 soj if the one it comes up with has already dropped it changes the quality to set item. So all you are doing is increasing the chances of a set ring to drop :(

This is how you get items with high durability obviously not rings and amulets as you cant see the durability on those, but weapons eg a 75 dur lance was first calculated to drop a lance then the quaility is calculated as unqiue but obviously no unique lances so it is set to set quality but no set lances either so it turns to rare quality each time increasing the durability.
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Indeed, I was wondering the same thing and asked in the Statistics Forum which gave excellent explanations in this thread. If the game rolls for a second Nagel or Manald to drop, it will drop a rare instead. That rare ring will probably be more valuable than a Nagel or Manald, but will not be an SoJ.
 
Ah that sucks. It's still worth it to kill meph/diablo after andy since they still drop rings pretty frequently. Knowing it remains 1/31 makes it a little less disappointing when diablo drops a set ring while half the other stuff is unique.
 
fredsta54 said:
Nm andy cannot drop soj in classic.

Andys mlvl is 37 and an soj only drops off mlvl 40 and up. Its been tried, it doesnt work.

Fred
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So, with this being said, NM Duriel is the first boss that can drop an SOJ in Classic?

What is the first NM SuperUnique that can drop an SOJ? What about the Act in which a normal monster can first drop?

Thanks- Searched the Classic Forum for an hour, and the closest I got was this confirmation that NM Andy was a no-go.
 
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