Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

[NinjaGoblin]

Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

I have been trying to complete my IK set for years. From the first day I found out about the high level class sets I knew I wanted an IK Barb. The Barbarian has always been my favorite class. I have had a properly built Barb sitting unplayed for three years waiting to find the Soul Cage.

I don't want to trade for it, I want to find it! I routinely farm the Pit, and have killed Pindleskin thousands of times. When he dropped Templar's Might I nearly cried in frustration.

So, anyone got any tips on how to complete this maddening quest?

 

[Colorless Green]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Look for a perfect Cathan's Mask. The game knows what you're looking for and won't drop it, so by overtly trying to find the IKSC, you're forcing the game not to drop it.

By the numbers, pindle is probably your best bet, with alvl 85 areas like the pits being your second best, which is possibly tied with baal/minions.

-CG

 

[Es Mors]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

The game knows what you're looking for and won't drop it, so by overtly trying to find the IKSC, you're forcing the game not to drop it.

QFT

Seriously, I'd go insane if I was looking for some specific item in this game. I usualy just look for "good stuff", that's much more rewarding.

 

[Shalaska]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Pindle is your best bet. Don't go to ancient tunnel or pits. The chances of dropping soul cage from pit - ancient is 1:13500(from unique monster of course). But from pindle, it's around 1:6700. (both with 600mf)

BUT, running only pindle can get really boring so I highly recommend you to get a good map where thresh socket is close to your waypoint. (It's not too hard..)Thresh socket has the same chance of dropping soul cage as pindle, and thresh is alone. And I don't think you'll get bored. At least this worked out pretty good for me..

And a final advice, don't go crazy like, "I have to run them in 50 seconds!" or something.

Good luck.

 

[Colorless Green]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Pindle is your best bet. Don't go to ancient tunnel or pits. The chances of dropping soul cage from pit - ancient is 1:13500(from unique monster of course). But from pindle, it's around 1:6700. (both with 600mf)

In terms of time, a decent AT/pits map provides two bosspacks per pindle run, making it 1:6750 vs. 1:6700 by those numbers.

-CG

edit: In case I wasn't sufficiently clear, let me rephrase. In the time it takes to do a pindle run, one could kill two bosspacks in AT/pits, assuming a decent map and a decent runner.

edit2: Incidentally, it isn't coincidence that pindle has approximately twice as good drop odds as an individual unique monster - he's a unique monster that drops two items per kill.

 

[Shalaska]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

I'm not a math professor so I might be wrong but I sincerely doubt that the possibility of getting soul cage from two bosspacks is 1:6750.

ps : and it's not just pindle that drops two items of course. Every super unique drops two items.

 

[Colorless Green]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

This'll be a fun one.

I'm not a math professor so I might be wrong but I sincerely doubt that the possibility of getting soul cage from two bosspacks is 1:6750.

Look at it like this. The odds of finding one from one bosspack is 1:13500. The odds of finding one from two bosspacks is 2:13500, because 1:13500 and 2:13500 are shorthand for one-in-13500 and two-in-13500, which are speech for one-divided-by-13500 and two-divided-by-13500. 2/13500 = 1/6750. If I'm not mistaken, they taught me how that works in something like the second grade.

ps : and it's not just pindle that drops two items of course. Every super unique drops two items.

...and if you look up their odds, you will discover that they, too, share very close drop odds to two times a roughly equivalent unique monster, but they do not share the ability of being able to be run at the speeds necessary for doing thousands of runs.

-CG

 

[Dakkas]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Look for a perfect Cathan's Mask. The game knows what you're looking for and won't drop it, so by overtly trying to find the IKSC, you're forcing the game not to drop it.

By the numbers, pindle is probably your best bet, with alvl 85 areas like the pits being your second best, which is possibly tied with baal/minions.

-CG

This!

Coincidentally my 3 IKSC all dropped from the places you listed.

 

[Dakkas]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

EDIT: Sorry double post

 

[Colorless Green]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Coincidentally my 3 IKSC all dropped from the places you listed.

So did basically all dozen or so of mine (I actually think a85 areas are actually pindle at this point,) but it's not a coincidence. Something people often forget about discussing the relative merits of MF locations is that wherever you look is where you'll find items. If you spend time running these areas (which is what pretty much everybody does,) that's where you'll find the items.

Incidentally, someone at some point will probably stop by to tell me that running a bosspack twice doesn't actually halve the odds for the same reason that getting 13500 AT kills does not guarantee you an IKSC will drop, so I'll just argue against them right now: Yes, I know. However, in the interest of an apples-to-apples comparison, this is the correct way to look at it because the two pindle drops are actually completely independent drops as well, but every drop calculator out there just adds these odds together, and from a game mechanics standpoint, the item generation routine is run twice whether you're getting a single pindle drop or two bosspack drops.

-CG

 

[Shalaska]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Probabilities messed up my mind really bad this time. But it's almost 5 am here and haven't slept a bit for a loong time.

Anyway, the most important thing is not to get bored while mfing, so do what you like to you. Still, I recommend thresh + pindle.

 

[RatMan]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

This happened yesterday in the Pit. From a trash monster, 1/730,000 odds.

Never give up!

 

[Swiller]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

I don't have anything to add here except to say that I agree with Colorless Green 100%.

 

[crazy_bear]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Simple answer, basically what CG said:
If your runner can do 2 or more packs in either Pits or AT to one pindle run, then run there, otherwise Pindle till you puke.

Pindle gave me 3 IKSC in about 6k runs done.... but then again, I was wanting Tal's armor. :rant:

 

[Sir Lister of Smeg]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

This'll be a fun one.



Look at it like this. The odds of finding one from one bosspack is 1:13500. The odds of finding one from two bosspacks is 2:13500, because 1:13500 and 2:13500 are shorthand for one-in-13500 and two-in-13500, which are speech for one-divided-by-13500 and two-divided-by-13500. 2/13500 = 1/6750. If I'm not mistaken, they taught me how that works in something like the second grade.



...and if you look up their odds, you will discover that they, too, share very close drop odds to two times a roughly equivalent unique monster, but they do not share the ability of being able to be run at the speeds necessary for doing thousands of runs.

-CG

The above of course not true (since it would give a chance of more than 1 if you'd kill more than 13500 bosses):
The chance of finding one from two monster kills is one minus the chance that neither monster drops one. Since in this case both monsters appear to have the same drop odds, 1 in 13500, this gives 1-(1-1/13500)^2~=1/6750, or the same as Pindle, but less boring.

That said, IKSC seems to be the most common TC87 item (which is kind of weird considering the rarity of both T Mights). It's so far the only one of which I have more than one, but I have already 3 of them now.

 

[jaycuhbbb]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Something to consider, it's easier to run Pindle than alvl85 areas. Therefore you can pack on a bit more MF. I wouldn't dare AT in full MF gear, ~550, but ~700 for Pindle is easy. Of course it's not a significant difference when you look at the numbers, but it may make you cry in frustration when you see that yellow Sacred Armor drop...

 

[tavaritz]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Look at it like this. The odds of finding one from one bosspack is 1:13500. The odds of finding one from two bosspacks is 2:13500, because 1:13500 and 2:13500 are shorthand for one-in-13500 and two-in-13500, which are speech for one-divided-by-13500 and two-divided-by-13500. 2/13500 = 1/6750. If I'm not mistaken, they taught me how that works in something like the second grade.

You have almost the right idea, but you didn't account the probability that both bosses drop the item. So the right way to calculate is to calculate the odds of not getting any, which is 13499/13500*13499/13500 and substract it from one.

Which is: 0,000148143 or 1/6750,25

 

[RobbyD]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

I'm playing 1.09 and when I built my Zon, I REALLY wanted Tal's armor for the 3-piece Tal's MF setup, so I ran Baal with, you guessed it, very disappointing results. I eventually gave up and settled into Countess running for Vex.

Then a buddy suggested running AW for generally good stuff (level 90 in 1.09, so cool charms and things like +2 skills ammies can drop), so I took my barb for a spin, and BAMMO! A green Lacquered Plate drops!

So, moral of the story is, forget about that item and change your goals - THAT's when you'll see it.

I ran Mephy for months for a Baranar's Star - even though the probability for that from 1.09 Mephy isn't bad at all, I got just about everything else from him BUT a BStar (including a Doombringer) before one finally fell. But I DID eventually get one while I was running him for one. Then, I wanted Death's Gloves, so I took my low level sorc to visit normal Countess, expecting to run her for weeks, and I got a set on my 3rd or 4th run - so it's not strictly true that running for an item means you won't get it... it's just that the rarity of any one item is such that it is much more rewarding to run for "good stuff" in general.

Funny thing is, I bet when you finally get one, the game gives you 2 or 3 more in short order. Gotta love this game!

 

[ziambe]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

Funny thing is, I bet when you finally get one, the game gives you 2 or 3 more in short order. Gotta love this game!

True story.

I was grailing a while back and desperately needed a knell striker. So I tricked out a pop barb, rolled a sweet map and farmed coldcrow like a maniac for hours, and hours, and.....hours over a week or two. I did eventually get it, but it was not pleasant.

What was pleasant was yesterday while grailing hell meph, I found a knell striker from a weapon rack, then, less than 10 runs later, meph drops one too. Now that is just cruel. Thus changing your goals is probably the best advice. Make plans for what the game gives you, not what the game doesn't...:smug:

 

[Colorless Green]

Re: Best way to find IK Soul Cage?

The worst is when you hunt for something for months and finally break down and trade for it (particularly if you trade something valuable,) then find one in your first handful of runs utilizing your newly-traded-for itamz. This has happened to me multiple times.

-CG