Any other ladder purists on these forums?

[Zerosugar]

Any other ladder purists on these forums?

Are there any other purists in this forum that plays on ladder and doesn't trade?

I wonder how many of us there are or if i am the only one. I won't even consider trading for crafting stuff like PG's or low runes. Is the massive duping your only reason for not trading or is it just a D2 lifestyle

 

[boogyman19946]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

I don't trade because usually when I trade, the guy misclicks in the trade screen and when it opens up my hamster starts tickling me cause he's walking all over me and I don't see the item before I press the check button... That's dangerous stuff, happened five times already but luckily I didn't get scammed. People have very bad aim these days *sigh*, but they don't want to wear glasses and I don't really believe in contacts soo yeah.

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

I don't trade because usually when I trade, the guy misclicks in the trade screen and when it opens up my hamster starts tickling me cause he's walking all over me and I don't see the item before I press the check button... That's dangerous stuff, happened five times already but luckily I didn't get scammed. People have very bad aim these days *sigh*, but they don't want to wear glasses and I don't really believe in contacts soo yeah.

Cool

Anybody else?

 

[droid]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

how is not trading on bnet "purism"? Its a multiplayer game, trading is part of it, or they wouldnt have coded a trade interface in the first place...and I dont see how trading in and of itself is detrimental to the game.

If you just want the ladder-only items, I think there's a forum-legit mod you can use in SP that lets you access ladder-locked runewords and uniques...

 

[Hrus]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

droid, it's purist because if you don't trade, you can't get any duped items. Which is almost guaranteed for regular people who trade on ladder.

In SP, ladder uniques normally drop, for ladder only runewords you need a mod and you can't have ubers on SP (unless with use of another mod, which is not supported by these forums and it doesn't handle AI properly anyways).

I myself play selffound in SP, and it's much more challenging and satisfying to find your own items.

 

[TurbulentTurtle]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

I am such a purist that not only do I not trade, but I also don't play on ladder.

 

[Drezn]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

I don't trade because I don't want dupes, but I do use mules and swap items between my characters... What does that make me in terms of purism?

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

how is not trading on bnet "purism"? Its a multiplayer game, trading is part of it, or they wouldnt have coded a trade interface in the first place...and I dont see how trading in and of itself is detrimental to the game.

If you just want the ladder-only items, I think there's a forum-legit mod you can use in SP that lets you access ladder-locked runewords and uniques...

SP is plagued with people using editors etc. No if i wanted to live in a cheating enviroment i would be right up there trading duped HR's on ladder with the rest of you.

Now you can argue i can just not use these editors but that is a moot point since i like to play multiplayer with others that doesn't cheat as well. Now I can't stop duping since i don't have superpowers or work as a CEO at Blizzard. But ladder is probably the closest i will come to a cheat free enviroment if i wish to play multiplayer. I can't stop people from making Enigmas from duped runes but the alternative is SP which is completely out of the question for a lot of reasons.


As for trading being part of multiplayer. That is what you make of it. You can easily not trade on multiplayer and still play with others. You can compete on the ladder, You can brag about your selffound item if that's your style, you can give your selffound items to newbies, you can duel, you can give people rushes for forge etc etc etc. The fact you think you MUST trade to have a reason to play multiplayer and Ladder is more a product of your limited thinking than anything that is actual. It comes down to what the motivation is for the individual. For me i can't see myself playing open battlenet because of the existance of editors. If i were to apply the same on Ladder and the existance of duped runes and runewords made from dupes then i might as well not play D2 at all. It just so happens i have found a happy medium of not trading. It works well for me. I'm glad you have an opinion about that but your opinion is non essential

Now that we got that out of the way

Purist = only using self found items.

 

[stephan]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

SP is pleagued with people using editors etc. No if i wanted to live in a cheating enviroment i would be right up there trading on ladder with the rest of you.

SPF here doesnt allow that.

Now you can argue i can just not use these editors but that is a moot point since i like to play multiplayer with others that doesn't cheat as well.

If you play on battlenet that will happen anyway. So it's a moot point.

The closest you can come to playing without cheats is playing SP and never MP.

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

SPF here doesnt allow that.


If you play on battlenet that will happen anyway. So it's a moot point.

The closest you can come to playing without cheats is playing SP and never MP.

It doesn't matter what is allowed here or not. I don't exclusivly play with people from this forum. Even if i did there is no telling if they do use editors or not. What's allowed here or not is also a moot point since people will do it anyway. You don't think members on these boards would cheat? I have been around long enough to see people admit to using bots and buying items online for rl cash on these parts. I would be happy to link you a few posts just to prove a point

As for using editors on ladder....are you on crack? lol. Characters are stored on the server. If you are talking about bots and maphacks. They have the same chances of getting items as the rest of us. Plus they most likely will face a ban in the near future. As far as i know no such luck on SP.

As i said ladder is the closest way of playing MP in a cheat free enviroment short from not playing D2 at all. Since i enjoy D2 i see no reason to quit when there is an alternative

 

[Noodle]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

SP is plagued with people using editors etc. No if i wanted to live in a cheating enviroment i would be right up there trading duped HR's on ladder with the rest of you.


Purist = only using self found items.

Single Players who are members of this site's Single Player Forum are proud of being legitimate.

If you multiplay with players who are using duped runes, then you are benefiting from their cheating, and are tainted. The only way to be "pure" is to play single player.

 

[Hrus]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

As for using editors on ladder....are you on crack? lol. Characters are stored on the server. If you are talking about bots and maphacks. They have the same chances of getting items as the rest of us.

And I allways thought that running a bot or creating/buying dupes is cheating.

 

[stephan]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

It doesn't matter what is allowed here or not. I don't exclusivly play with people from this forum. Even if i did there is no telling if they do use editors or not. What's allowed here or not is also a moot point since people will do it anyway. You don't think members on these boards would cheat? I have been around long enough to see people admit to using bots and buying items online for rl cash on these parts. I would be happy to link you a few posts just to prove a point

No, didn't say that. There are never guarantees. However, people you get to know can earn your trust. If you play with enough random people on battlenet you know some one will have used dupes.

As for using editors on ladder....are you on crack? lol. Characters are stored on the server.

Thanks for enlightening me, I never realized.

If you are talking about bots and maphacks. They have the same chances of getting items as the rest of us.

That's why they use them of course, because bots and maphack don't make it any easier to get items.

Plus they most likely will face a ban in the near future.

You'll never really know will you?

As far as i know no such luck on SP.

You can choose who you mp with. Who needs banning then?

As i said ladder is the closest way of playing MP in a cheat free inviroment short from not playing D2 at all. Since i enjoy D2 i see no reason to quit when there is an alternative

I don't find it the closest way but there our differences will remain, I suppose. I was only pointing to an option. You could have declined it more graciously.

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

And I allways thought that running a bot or creating/buying dupes is cheating.

It is but it's better than playing with people using editors to enhance their characters and items from my view. I can accept the fact people use duped runes or bought from rl cash to make their runewords since there is no avoiding that if i want to play MP. I can avoid people using editors however if i wish to play MP. Since i prefer MP SP is out of the question. Open battlenet is out of the question since i don't want to play with people using editors.

 

[Hrus]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

SP players from these forums use to play MP through tcp/ip with other members. We are avoiding Open BNet like a plague.
I think there might be few SPFers who are not "pure", but I still think SPF community is much more clear than closed BNet...

I like to stay clean, so I only MP with few people I know very well and I am convinced that they are also clean.

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

No, didn't say that. There are never guarantees. However, people you get to know can earn your trust. If you play with enough random people on battlenet you know some one will have used dupes.

Editors are not only used to dupe items. You can finish quests, or make a finished quest unfinished, give yourself levels, quest items. Lots of ways to use editors.

Thanks for enlightening me, I never realized.

I'm glad i could enlighten you. Either you said something stupid which i pointed out or you weren't specific enough to get your point across.

That's why they use them of course, because bots and maphack don't make it any easier to get items.

Easier yes but the drop chances is the same for them as it is for me. If they can kill 3 favored NPC's 1 Boss 2 elite bosses for my 1 pr game if we are to stick to the 3 minute rule doesn't really increase their chances astronomically. But then again i can live with it over editors.

You'll never really know will you?

Ofc i do. I see people whining about being banned all the time. Blizzard also post how many people they have banned. That's enough for me. if they can't catch them all thats a shame. Nobody is caught in open battlenet because it's a free for all do what you want enviroment.

You can choose who you mp with. Who needs banning then?

Unless you know the person in rl VERY well then there are no grauntees still.

I don't find it the closest way but there our differences will remain, I suppose. I was only pointing to an option. You could have declined it more graciously.

And i would have taken it if my way wasn't better

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

SP players from these forums use to play MP through tcp/ip with other members. We are avoiding Open BNet like a plague.
I think there might be few SPFers who are not "pure", but I still think SPF community is much more clear than closed BNet...

I like to stay clean, so I only MP with few people I know very well and I am convinced that they are also clean.

I think it's great you found a place that suits you best in SPF whatever the F stands for. And i don't dispute the "clearness" of SPF'ers on these forums. But as i said i have seen enough posts on these forums to taint my view on finding legitimate players here. That is in essense what a purist is all about. Not trading with others. The reasons may vary. Could be because of rampart dupes...could be because its a motivational factor to see how rich you can get on your own. Could be just for fun.


http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719424 - Here is somebody admitting to botting. Open or closed doesn't matter. We can speculate that SPF is clean on these forums but If i can find people cheating on ladder here I'm quite sure i can find some that will do it on open no matter what the rules of the site says.


http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7056567#post7056567 - here is somebody who wants to buy items online. Same rule applies. If i can find ladder people cheating then i can find non ladder people cheating.

Now mind you i can dig up a whole lot more. Just say the word. There are two kinds of cheaters on these forums. The ones stupid enough to openly admit it and the ones smart enough to read the rules. It's just a matter of which of those two groups is bigger.

The question only remains what is the lesser evil for somebody like me that is determined to play Multiplayer. Blizzard stores character on their server making them untouchable. Here I'm garunteed people don't make items or mess with their characters.

On the other hand on Ladder there is item sellers and probably more botters since there is a business in selling items online for rl cash.

It boils down to what i can live with when i play multiplayer. I can't live with editors or duped items on my character, or items that came from dupes. So to avoid getting ahold of a duped item, no trading is the way to go. I'm sorry if that makes no sense to you but it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Zerosugar]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

double post sorry.

 

[lionheartthebrave]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

I think it's great you found a place that suits you best in SPF whatever the F stands for. And i don't dispute the "clearness" of SPF'ers on these forums. But as i said i have seen enough posts on these forums to taint my view on finding legitimate players here.

F stand for forum

SPF = single player forum, but the atmosphere is unlike the rest of these forums, in fact the SPF is more addictive than D2 itself, it's full of characters and friendly people who love the game, play legitly through choice, and are willing to help people with starting/unique builds

Apparently it's easy to cheat in SP, cos you can edit anything you want, but I've never tried, and don't plan to, it would ruin the game

 

[Pismeyer]

Re: Any other ladder purists on these forums?

I am such a purist that not only do I not trade, but I also don't play on ladder.

Cheater.