About MH/chicken/etc being harmless...

Hmmm I think MH does change the game and not for the better. It's annoying that it exists. I think most people who try to defend it just want to say that the game is completely messed up whether you support it or not... If you want to play with people in public runs and such you get affected by it so might as well just make the most of it. Blah blah. Well you've all hear me say this before. I don't like MH or use it. But I like Diablo and there seems to be no way to seriously play AND not play with MH users. Botters, not so much. The runs I play in ban botters. Most people who bot are nasty players or players who sell on eBay. People who bot and ladder run, well there's no point. You do get godly stuff baaling. Trust me, if you baal with nice players for 5000 runs and get to 97/98, you end up pretty rich... Botting is mostly helping people get MONEY from eBay.

Chicken? Chicken doesn't make the game like softcore. People die ALL the time with it. It's a stupid hack used by people who don't understand the game. Also, a lot of people die from chicken because they think it's a crutch. A lot of people lose loot from chicken. In fact, almost ANYONE using it ends up losing loot if they die. If you get a doll popping on you it can drop your life 1000 instantly depending. A death lord ES fanatic same thing. Chicken drops them out and they lose loot AND die. It happens all the time. it's stupid. The only treal advantage a chicken user has is avoiding PKs more easily. I mean come on... If your life is dropping slowly ANYONE has enough time to hit esc and leave. If your life is dropping really quickly chicken won't work half the time because your life drained too fast.

I don't use any of these progs, but any elite player will tell you that chicken is used to the DISADVANTAGE of players most of the time when they lose their godly loot from auto exit.
 
Thats a good point machine, however, I think its still a huge advantage in pvp... I mean, I hit someone, and they vanish, and it IS hard to KO a good dueler, but many set their chicken so they leave on virtually any decent hit to them, and vs a dueler their level, it IS near impossible to kill them.
 
Matt said:
Thats a good point machine, however, I think its still a huge advantage in pvp... I mean, I hit someone, and they vanish, and it IS hard to KO a good dueler, but many set their chicken so they leave on virtually any decent hit to them, and vs a dueler their level, it IS near impossible to kill them.
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OK yes Chicken and PVP are stupid. Chicken does save people's lives half the time, as I said. It will save your life and then make you lose loot the next time. But those times it does work in the duel, it ruins the duel... I mostly try to defend ladder players.
 
I hate having my gear scanned by some noob with MH or whatever does that. Case in point earlier, someone did that, and noticed I have a Goldwrap, and said he needed. I decided to see what he had, just in case there might be something I was interested in. He had nothing but crap. Nothing but worthless rares, really. I think there was an Eld rune or something in there too. So, the obvious answer was no. Of course it doesn't end there. From that point on he just followed me around trying to trade with me while spamming "I need! I need! I need!"

If he had ever left town, I would have PKed him in a second. And I generally don't do that.
 
Same thing happened to me over this assassin claw i got.

Seemed like every other game i joined someone was telling me to trade it =/


I felt so..... dirty.....
 
Bleh, I can't count how many times I saw 95+ players rejoin games saying thank god for chicken last season (keeping in mind that when I was running I was 13th to 96 and 95 was still a high level).

It doesn't save them all the time, but it does save them a hell of a lot more often than 50% of the time in cases where they take damage too quick to heal.

I saw it save Bunni's life twice last season, just as an example. And I only ever did about 200 runs with him.
 
Bah who needs chicken anyway? :p
I've never been below 20% of my life except when posioned in town and its not that hard.
 
Is it just me or does it seem like 2001 with all these MH threads...

I find it odd that people are so zealous about this issue, it's almost as bad as politics or religion.

When people compare MH to botting and TPPK, it makes me cringe.
 
tooie1 said:
When people compare MH to botting and TPPK, it makes me cringe.
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Please explain how someone who takes 20 seconds less per meph run on average and as such is getting more items than a legit player is any different than someone botting and getting more items than a legit player?

If some guy walks into your house, grabs a 5$ bill from a counter, then runs, do you thank him for not taking the 100$ bill that was beside it, or do you try and chase him down and get your money back because you consider him a thief, and/or call the cops?

This is fun, claiming mh=botting in one thread, and saying mh doesn't really help anyone but the MHer in baal runs in another. I just like arguing apparently ^^
 
MoUsE_WiZ said:
Please explain how someone who takes 20 seconds less per meph run on average and as such is getting more items than a legit player is any different than someone botting and getting more items than a legit player?

If some guy walks into your house, grabs a 5$ bill from a counter, then runs, do you thank him for not taking the 100$ bill that was beside it, or do you try and chase him down and get your money back because you consider him a thief, and/or call the cops?

This is fun, claiming mh=botting in one thread, and saying mh doesn't really help anyone but the MHer in baal runs in another. I just like arguing apparently ^^
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If i had a 100$bill i wouldnt care that much about the 5$ bill.
 
If you were to average out the time it takes to tp without a mh it would be more then 20 secs. Also mh not only tells you exactly where the lvls are it tells you what and where the monsters are located as well. If that is not an advantage then I don't know what is. The comparison is made w/ botting because they are both hacks same thing with chicken and same thing with tppkers. Hacks can basically turn a sc player into a hc player overnight. If you want to compare stealing $5 to $100. Well, if people can get away with stealing $5 then they will do it over and over again. $5 eventually become $5000. I don't really care if people use mh or chicken or tppk or not. I say whatever floats your boat. People who come in here to defend mh or chicken I think is comical, because us die hard zealots are never gonna agree that using it is fair. I pride myself for the fact that I don't know what is in that room or behind that door. If I tp in a crowd of souls and die then I was not careful enough, so be it, I will remake my character and not make the same mistakes twice. Either be tp closer to walls or increase my fcr to hit a certain fps so they don't have a chance to hit me. I scoff at the mh players that actually do die knowing where ever thing is. Maphack basically handicap a player. People who use it generally can't live without it.
 
MoUsE_WiZ said:
Please explain how someone who takes 20 seconds less per meph run on average and as such is getting more items than a legit player is any different than someone botting and getting more items than a legit player?

If some guy walks into your house, grabs a 5$ bill from a counter, then runs, do you thank him for not taking the 100$ bill that was beside it, or do you try and chase him down and get your money back because you consider him a thief, and/or call the cops?

This is fun, claiming mh=botting in one thread, and saying mh doesn't really help anyone but the MHer in baal runs in another. I just like arguing apparently ^^
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Apparently you do like to argue, albeit badly.

When people compare MH to theft of physical property, it makes baby jesus cry.
 
The difference between MH and botting is that a MH user automatically helps anyone he plays with. This is not a good thing since I like my games hard, but thankfully to me D2 remains a challenge because every so often a pack of fanatic death lords shows up and kills some people. Or conviction gloams. The challenge for me is overcoming these obstacles and trying to avoid people who will PK me. I don't give much thought to the MHers cause they don't threaten my play, they just can often make the game easier than it should be. A botter... Well all he does is make my items worth less, make Bliz have to do RD **** to me or have lines, and just generally is no help to anyone who's not his friend.

Bottom line: They're both annoying, but botters can harm you by flooding the realm with items wheras MH users just end up making the game easier for you.

And chicken, well I don't believe that helps anyone much, but whatever. Let people lose their gear... The best way to save your life is to actually worry about resists and blocking before you worry about damage. Who cares if you do 1000 more damage than most other people if you can't even crash a bad TP safely? Those are the most pivotal moments!
 
Chiller_babe said:
You are just the sort of person that makes up the majority of ABers.

There are some 24/7 addicts but mostly people with less time on their hands that just want to turn up and play in a legit game!

Chill
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Agreed. I am an active ABer and play in AB games daily. Cant really give out a link to their site as is is a conflict of interest with this one, but you have enough info to find it yourself. Register, and introduce yourself as a new member and in a few days you will have access to game passwords.

Sounds like you want to avoid the immaturity and hacks which are bnet, and that is the place to do it. Don't worry about how many hours you play. It doesnt really matter.
 
tooie1 said:
When people compare MH to theft of physical property, it makes baby jesus cry.
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Sorry, but where did I compare MH to theft of physical property?
Was it where I said "MH is exactly like stealing 5$, and botting is exactly like stealing 100$"?
Comparing theft is theft to hacking is hacking is different than comparing theft to hacking.

The question is quite simple - is someone who steals 5$ a thief just like someone who steals 100$?

Because IF that person is a thief, despite only stealing 1/20th of the amount the second person stole, I see no reason for an MHer to be any different from a botter, despite only earning 1/20th more illegit itesm.

Please explain, you said it makes you cringe to see botting compared to MH, but you have yet to provide one reason why it the two are different in any meaningful way.
 
Matt said:
And no, manually exiting is not considered cheating and is not frowned upon in any way.

-Matt
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One reason I wouldn't duel in hardcore.

You guys look down on us for dueling in softcore as if there is no 'point' to it, but I bet 9 out of 10 people would leave if it was obvious they were going to lose. How is that any different from death not mattering? Do you get some rush out of seeing who can save and exit fastest?

It takes the whole point of HC, not being able to die, and renders it pointless.
 
Dimoak said:
One reason I wouldn't duel in hardcore.

You guys look down on us for dueling in softcore as if there is no 'point' to it, but I bet 9 out of 10 people would leave if it was obvious they were going to lose. How is that any different from death not mattering? Do you get some rush out of seeing who can save and exit fastest?

It takes the whole point of HC, not being able to die, and renders it pointless.
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Just because we do anything legit within our power to not die, does NOT mean that we don't die.
 
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