23 Runeword Search Thread
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Diabolic Apom
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No.Madcat said:
(I wish I could have only said "No.", but the forum requires me to use at least ten characters.)
Before you spend those high runes...
...allow me to make a suggestion. Try all low-level runewords in items first as information may come forth at a later date concerning possibilities as well as the fact that some of our willing donators need gear to survive as well as frag faster. That CHAM would've been nice in a real runeword that could make cows or the Countess run in fear.
Also, by eliminating all low-level runewords entirely we, yet again, show Blizzard isn't interested in correcting past mistakes, filling voids and offering the actual players (not rushees) supplemental gear but instead making everyone, including those punished by Blizzard's lack of foresight and programming skills, suffer by not being able to get those valuable high runes.
Just don't use anything too high until we have to and get a concensus on what might be a legitimate runeword and needed by our people (i.e. if we really need a power hammer we'll all start discussing whether to use that OHM someone finds with a THUL, TAL or TIR to test THOR).
...allow me to make a suggestion. Try all low-level runewords in items first as information may come forth at a later date concerning possibilities as well as the fact that some of our willing donators need gear to survive as well as frag faster. That CHAM would've been nice in a real runeword that could make cows or the Countess run in fear.
Also, by eliminating all low-level runewords entirely we, yet again, show Blizzard isn't interested in correcting past mistakes, filling voids and offering the actual players (not rushees) supplemental gear but instead making everyone, including those punished by Blizzard's lack of foresight and programming skills, suffer by not being able to get those valuable high runes.
Just don't use anything too high until we have to and get a concensus on what might be a legitimate runeword and needed by our people (i.e. if we really need a power hammer we'll all start discussing whether to use that OHM someone finds with a THUL, TAL or TIR to test THOR).
Diabolic Apom
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There is no need for consensus. The runes actually belong to a single person, and that person has the absolute right to do whatever he wants with what he legitimately owns, ether it is a Cham or an Ort.Ax2Grind said:
As for the cow runs products, I assume all runes found there will be dedicated to word-testing anyway (but I don't play them so I am perhaps wrong).
Dawns_requiem
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*Too much reading makes me head explode* :flip:
I go away for a couple days and i come back to find that the forum has increased in size by a large number. Ive been logged on for the last 40 minutes reading to try and catch up. i want to try and adress some more issues.
Cow running: maybe today even but somentime in the near future i'll be able to go cow running again. Sounds like i'm missing out on some fun :scratch:
Runeword ideas: Some people talked about how some of the runewords might be only in ethreal or in exceptional/ elite items only. I find this highly unlikely for several reasons. !) there appears to be no type of coding in the game that could decern theses types of things for runewords. 2) Blizzard hasnt done anyhitng of this sort in the past and it doesnt seem likely that they'll start for the first time that they actually make us look for these runewords.
Cow runes: I also think that it's kinda been hinted at that all the runes we find from the cow runs are for runeword testing unless people specificly ask otherwise. (sorry havent got to test the ones i got from the first cow runs yet)
and now i am off to study for the Ap euro course i am taking
I go away for a couple days and i come back to find that the forum has increased in size by a large number. Ive been logged on for the last 40 minutes reading to try and catch up. i want to try and adress some more issues.
Cow running: maybe today even but somentime in the near future i'll be able to go cow running again. Sounds like i'm missing out on some fun :scratch:
Runeword ideas: Some people talked about how some of the runewords might be only in ethreal or in exceptional/ elite items only. I find this highly unlikely for several reasons. !) there appears to be no type of coding in the game that could decern theses types of things for runewords. 2) Blizzard hasnt done anyhitng of this sort in the past and it doesnt seem likely that they'll start for the first time that they actually make us look for these runewords.
Cow runes: I also think that it's kinda been hinted at that all the runes we find from the cow runs are for runeword testing unless people specificly ask otherwise. (sorry havent got to test the ones i got from the first cow runs yet)
and now i am off to study for the Ap euro course i am taking
Hello
some wand testing:
io + amn
dol + ith
all gemmed
testers:
*crvsader1
*flumhum
btw: i am really dumb:
i have missed a line in the spreadsheet and tested thul+amn, which has already been tested
and i noticed that the damn wand was magic not socketed when i had put hel+thul in it (hel hurts)
so i messed up 50%
next time i will only test when i am totally sober (vodka lemon) :buddies:
have to say sorry to *flumhum for the failed testings
(his barb made short work of the countess, so i just could tele with my fire/cold sorc, which saved me a lot of times and nerves[my merc can get her, but it takes a while])
some wand testing:
io + amn
dol + ith
all gemmed
testers:
*crvsader1
*flumhum
btw: i am really dumb:
i have missed a line in the spreadsheet and tested thul+amn, which has already been tested
and i noticed that the damn wand was magic not socketed when i had put hel+thul in it (hel hurts)
so i messed up 50%
next time i will only test when i am totally sober (vodka lemon) :buddies:
have to say sorry to *flumhum for the failed testings
(his barb made short work of the countess, so i just could tele with my fire/cold sorc, which saved me a lot of times and nerves[my merc can get her, but it takes a while])
Gwaihir-Valar
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With regards to the earlier thoughts of using the History of Warcraft as a guide... I'd start on page 23(perhaps the number of runewords activated was done as a hint itself) if I were to do that at all...
Perhaps they plan on announcing one new runeword a day in OCtober(10th month, 1.10...) until the 23rd(23 rune words)
Perhaps they plan on announcing one new runeword a day in OCtober(10th month, 1.10...) until the 23rd(23 rune words)
Cadogan Trahem
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Ax2Grind:
As for myself, all the recent tests done by me (using runes up to Pul) were done with my own private stash of runes. I had recieved the two runes I needed most (Ist and Um) as part of a trade Cheetah offered me for my Gul at hell forge. Gul being more useless to me then El and since Cheetah was nice enough to rush me free of charge and then throw in a 3 Socket Diadem later so I could make Delirium I was more then happy to trade.
As I promised to Wathombe, once I had all the runes I needed for my gear (Melody, Lionheart, and Delirium for myself, as well as Creasant Moon for my Merc) I burned my entire stock of Runes for the good of the testing. None of the runes used were those recieved in games where Rune Word Testers had gathered to collect runes for testing (infact I only recently started participating in cow runs to help out).
I stand with Diabolic Apom Runes people have from their private stash and how they use them is entirely up to the individual. No one here expects a person to throw a Zod into an item to test a possible Rune Word (but if they did they'd get a fair about of kudos from me!
) at the same time I don't expect anyone to pass around high level Runes to make other Rune Hunters better equiped. Whether they do either is up to them. As for Runes from Cow, Countess and so forth Runs, from what i've seen at the end of the session most people unload them onto the unlucky individual in charge of testing (usually Wathombe and his angry sleepy wife).
As for myself, all the recent tests done by me (using runes up to Pul) were done with my own private stash of runes. I had recieved the two runes I needed most (Ist and Um) as part of a trade Cheetah offered me for my Gul at hell forge. Gul being more useless to me then El and since Cheetah was nice enough to rush me free of charge and then throw in a 3 Socket Diadem later so I could make Delirium I was more then happy to trade.
As I promised to Wathombe, once I had all the runes I needed for my gear (Melody, Lionheart, and Delirium for myself, as well as Creasant Moon for my Merc) I burned my entire stock of Runes for the good of the testing. None of the runes used were those recieved in games where Rune Word Testers had gathered to collect runes for testing (infact I only recently started participating in cow runs to help out).
I stand with Diabolic Apom Runes people have from their private stash and how they use them is entirely up to the individual. No one here expects a person to throw a Zod into an item to test a possible Rune Word (but if they did they'd get a fair about of kudos from me!
) at the same time I don't expect anyone to pass around high level Runes to make other Rune Hunters better equiped. Whether they do either is up to them. As for Runes from Cow, Countess and so forth Runs, from what i've seen at the end of the session most people unload them onto the unlucky individual in charge of testing (usually Wathombe and his angry sleepy wife).Gwaihir-Valar said:With regards to the earlier thoughts of using the History of Warcraft as a guide... I'd start on page 23(perhaps the number of runewords activated was done as a hint itself) if I were to do that at all...
Perhaps they plan on announcing one new runeword a day in OCtober(10th month, 1.10...) until the 23rd(23 rune words)
i say blizz will most likely release them when there's a winner for the prize on all realms. that way no realm will have a player take the lead with a new runeword or whatever. only asia1 and 2 left i believe
Edit: anyways, im currently solo hell cowing on WHCL. if you wanna join in just whisper me on *916_Andy
awesome solo cowing! im currently on my 7th run only (they each take about 6-9 minutes to finish by myself, considering im not trying to die (hc) plus my obsessive breaks in between) anyways, on the 5th game, i found a KO in a chest. then on my 7th run, i found an IST! haha i was about to stop cause it was getting boring too :thumbsup:
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Diabolic Apom said:
Way to miss the point people. I'll refrain from giving suggestions that help us find actual runewords and more runes safely and quickly in the future.Cadogan Trahem said:Ax2Grind:
As for myself, all the recent tests done by me (using runes up to Pul) were done with my own private stash of runes. I had recieved the two runes I needed most (Ist and Um) as part of a trade Cheetah offered me for my Gul at hell forge. Gul being more useless to me then El and since Cheetah was nice enough to rush me free of charge and then throw in a 3 Socket Diadem later so I could make Delirium I was more then happy to trade.
As I promised to Wathombe, once I had all the runes I needed for my gear (Melody, Lionheart, and Delirium for myself, as well as Creasant Moon for my Merc) I burned my entire stock of Runes for the good of the testing. None of the runes used were those recieved in games where Rune Word Testers had gathered to collect runes for testing (infact I only recently started participating in cow runs to help out).
I stand with Diabolic Apom Runes people have from their private stash and how they use them is entirely up to the individual. No one here expects a person to throw a Zod into an item to test a possible Rune Word (but if they did they'd get a fair about of kudos from me!
Sokar Rostau
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916_Andy said:
Actually Asia1 has a 99 sorc now, I was running with her for a while last week when she only had 3.510 Billion, she said she was registered but no word from Blizz yet. She hit 99 on the 10th of September.
Wathombe: I have quickly looked over the WoW page (who said excel doesn't work on Macs?) and there are a couple things to mention. Some of the words listed (Thrall and Gul'Dan for example) have no method to the formulae suggested, this goes back to what I was saying a while ago that when suggesting a formula it must be consistent within itself as well as with other suggestions you make in the same post. I remember the Thrall and Gul'Dan posts and I believe this was the reason I said this in the first place. Either way Gul Dol Amn Nef is internally inconsistent, that's not to say it isn't a possibility but it does have a much, much lower chance of being accurate.
Thul Hel Ral Amn Lum Lo and it's variants should be added (this in a hammer, not an axe as stated earlier in this thread, as Thrall's weapon of choice is a hammer).
Gul Um Lo Dol Amn Nef and variants thereof also need to be added.
I am actually quite surprised that there were not more clues as this is our best bet of finding something. Searching for runewords in WoW is certain to be more fruitful than putting Sol Vex Ohm Ral Dol in a sword. The acronyms are actually a good possibility when dealing with WoW and given that the only thorough examination of the WoW material so far done consisted of a MSWord search within a document for runes in the text, there is more sleuthing to be done.
I will add more when I have the time to properly consider things.
Also I wouldn't be holding my breath for either a Claw runeword or a Palashield runeword as we already have them. The formulae tested in claws would be better tested in a sword or something. IF, and it's a BIG IF, there is a claw only runeword within this elusive 23 then testing in claws means you are searching for only, at most, 3-4 words. This takes into account one claw-only runeword (again highly doubtful as we already have Chaos) and 2-3 all weapon words. With all the possibilities that must be tested, testing claws just narrows the field and makes things harder.
We have a better chance of finding something new with a long-line trawler than we do with a single fishing rod.
Evening, all.
Updated: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet
I'm way behind on responses, so here goes:
Altozone, Remlin, Crusader, Flumhum: Logged, posted, thanks!
Ax2Grind, Apom, Cadogan: These are all valid points, really. Shaft put it to me this way back in (I think) July: my nm forge dropped a Pul, and a rockworm dropped me a Fal in the Halls somewhere. I wanted to test PulFal based on one of the (then thought legit) Kenny-Z clues, but was nervous (especially given that those were the two highest runes I had ever seen). Shaft gave me great advice: if you can use them to make your character better, do so, if not, go for the test if you think it's a good theory. I tested in a sword, it failed, no surprise. Cadogan had a similar philosophy: he needed a few specific runes, then he put his stash toward the tests, using them in tests he believed in. Your point is good, Ax, in many ways--they will reveal the words at some point, why not save the high runes to use then, and in the meantime make faster cow runners--and perhaps some testers will temper their use of high runes because of it. If they feel like testing now because they want to be a pioneer, though, more power to 'em. Please nobody be put off by disagreements over strategy, though. We're all trying to do the same thing. (Sorry for the huge long paragraph.)
Cadogan, part 2:
Andy: Grr! We've been cowrunning together for a week and haven't gotten better than Hel or Io, and you drop an Ist on your seventh run? Well, congrats to you. :thumbsup:
Sokar: All I did was catalogue the actual formulae proposed earlier in the thread, without prejudice. Most were from you and from CmdrKikass, I think. I'll be happy to add the full acronyms for Thrall and Gul'Dan if you think they're likely ideas. Should I? As far as claw testing, tlaloc was excited to test those items in particular because he plays/is playing a sin, so more power to him.
More later or tomorrow.
Updated: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet
I'm way behind on responses, so here goes:
Altozone, Remlin, Crusader, Flumhum: Logged, posted, thanks!
Ax2Grind, Apom, Cadogan: These are all valid points, really. Shaft put it to me this way back in (I think) July: my nm forge dropped a Pul, and a rockworm dropped me a Fal in the Halls somewhere. I wanted to test PulFal based on one of the (then thought legit) Kenny-Z clues, but was nervous (especially given that those were the two highest runes I had ever seen). Shaft gave me great advice: if you can use them to make your character better, do so, if not, go for the test if you think it's a good theory. I tested in a sword, it failed, no surprise. Cadogan had a similar philosophy: he needed a few specific runes, then he put his stash toward the tests, using them in tests he believed in. Your point is good, Ax, in many ways--they will reveal the words at some point, why not save the high runes to use then, and in the meantime make faster cow runners--and perhaps some testers will temper their use of high runes because of it. If they feel like testing now because they want to be a pioneer, though, more power to 'em. Please nobody be put off by disagreements over strategy, though. We're all trying to do the same thing. (Sorry for the huge long paragraph.)
Cadogan, part 2:
:lol: No, no, no, she's not angry at all. She nods off early, and doesn't mind me playing while she's asleep at all. I just don't like to push my luck by waking her, playing too late, et cetera. She's actually quite wonderful and tolerant.Cadogan Trahem said:
Andy: Grr! We've been cowrunning together for a week and haven't gotten better than Hel or Io, and you drop an Ist on your seventh run? Well, congrats to you. :thumbsup:
Sokar: All I did was catalogue the actual formulae proposed earlier in the thread, without prejudice. Most were from you and from CmdrKikass, I think. I'll be happy to add the full acronyms for Thrall and Gul'Dan if you think they're likely ideas. Should I? As far as claw testing, tlaloc was excited to test those items in particular because he plays/is playing a sin, so more power to him.
More later or tomorrow.
Sokar Rostau said:
I agree with what Sokar says. I don't think there will be high chances just spelling out the class type in the class type..
Just like Cadogan, I prefer to run tests with high runes on tests I believe in. Like those Shael Um Tests, I really thought there was a high chance. 4 Um's gone but I'm not worried. It just makes it fun. I have nothing better to do and this is all on my spare time. :thumbsup:
As for tests I believe in, I think it was InsaneFarmer who brought up the Shael Um thing. If anyone else has any ideas whatsoever, please speak out loudly because if it makes sense, I will test them if I get the chance.
wathombe said:
Lady Luck :lady: loves me
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P.S. Someone hell cow with me! WHCL, *916_Andy. My zon finally has decent gear to kill! Upgraded Titans, Shaft, Gaze, Tgods etc. But for now, I must get some sleep
Now don't you go starting to make sense.
As for acronyms, I may be hard on Blizzard (deservedly so) but I'm starting to get a hankering to try 3-4 letter low-level runewords in the hope that they've come to their senses... or I could've lost all mine. Either way, without class-specific variants RAL+AMN+ITH+NEF in armor is tempting. The abilities of the runes themselves sort of meld with the nature of armor, but the person who tested the bow didn't state what kind of bow s/he used.
Anyway, 4-socket gothic plate, full plate mail, ancient armor are probably too low, so I'm looking for L25 embossed/chaos/ornate since they're all L25 like AMN. I'm just not gaining many RALs for crafting/trading due to this system ( short story : my second GA-7VRXP board blew ) and haven't received word as to the RMA result yet.
I am saving lots of low-level runes for testing if anyone on LE bothers to show up. Three people so far and only one has whispered me after I whispered first. USEast doesn't look promising.
One thing you also have to think about is they may only reveal them a few at a time, and from that we might have a better idea of precisely what they're doing.wathombe said:
As for acronyms, I may be hard on Blizzard (deservedly so) but I'm starting to get a hankering to try 3-4 letter low-level runewords in the hope that they've come to their senses... or I could've lost all mine. Either way, without class-specific variants RAL+AMN+ITH+NEF in armor is tempting. The abilities of the runes themselves sort of meld with the nature of armor, but the person who tested the bow didn't state what kind of bow s/he used.
Anyway, 4-socket gothic plate, full plate mail, ancient armor are probably too low, so I'm looking for L25 embossed/chaos/ornate since they're all L25 like AMN. I'm just not gaining many RALs for crafting/trading due to this system ( short story : my second GA-7VRXP board blew ) and haven't received word as to the RMA result yet.
I am saving lots of low-level runes for testing if anyone on LE bothers to show up. Three people so far and only one has whispered me after I whispered first. USEast doesn't look promising.