23 Runeword Search Thread

This may seem a little far fetched but bare with me for a bit, I've noticed for a while now that on occassion Countess will drop the exact runes for a known rune word. Is it possible that Blizzard could have manipulated the drop to drop rune words (rather then runes) occassionally and if so is it possible that this is a way they they are/could introduce new rune words?

Known "Rune Words" which have dropped for me (in some cases multiple times) are Ancient's Pledge, King's Grace, Leaf, Lore, Malice, Nadir, Radiance, Rhyme, Stealth, Steel, Strength, and Zephyr.

While its highly likely that i've gotten these combinations just through luck of the draw and that many of the two socket ones include both a high common rune (Ith-Sol) and a low common rune (El-Eth) and as such are easy to get through random drops, some others which require three runes (some of which require two high commons or one low semi-rare and a high common) seem more likely to support this theory

Any comments?
 
Zephyrus said:
As I didn't fully understand the logistics of how forge rushing works and why classic rushers were in existence in the first place, I am now going to change my method of rune gathering entirely.
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Rushing a character through Classic Diablo 2 means having to rush 1 less act per level of difficulty.
Once the rushee is in Act IV Hell, before doing the Forge quest, they simply convert to Lod, et voila as they say in English
 
Having the 1 act less isn't the main point of runshing. In expansion player have to get past ancients and lvl req for ancients are 20 in norm and 40 in nm. When converting no exp is needed.
 
Ok a possible pointless post, but what the hell.......

His last ? Kenny asked how the HUNT was going on... now hes probably just teasing us... but "h u n t" could that be a rune word?
 
While driving home from my girlfriend last night, I had exactly the same thought.

Hel
Um
Nef
Tir/Tal

Maybe in a bow or spear, as they're the classic weapons used for hunting? Though Knockback from the Nef sure sucks.
 
manuelm said:
While driving home from my girlfriend last night, I had exactly the same thought.

Hel
Um
Nef
Tir/Tal

Maybe in a bow or spear, as they're the classic weapons used for hunting? Though Knockback from the Nef sure sucks.
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this sounds good in a bow. classic hunting weapon and knockback will be very useful. someone should give it a shot. maybe the rollback method can be used to save an um. *shrug*

too bad im not playing D2 at teh moment, and have no ladder char. ohwell. cant help you guys other than reading.
 
manuelm said:
While driving home from my girlfriend last night, I had exactly the same thought.

Hel
Um
Nef
Tir/Tal

Maybe in a bow or spear, as they're the classic weapons used for hunting? Though Knockback from the Nef sure sucks.
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Tir/Tal could also be Thul (just wanted to point that out).

Also, on my rune/weapon combinations, you can obtain more things if you use Vex for W (as in Breath of the Dying). More precisely :

Ber Ort/Ohm Vex in a bow. Expecting godly mods, I'd guess BerOhmVex.

Shael/Sol/Sur Vex Ort/Ohm Ral Dol in a sword. As usual, I can easily think of Shael as a first rune. For the Ort/Ohm hesitation, I believe having only one major rune (Vex) with four "stuffing" ones would be strange, considering most runewords don't have more than half of their runes used for stuffing (except Breath of the Dying, but that hardly makes up for the Zod), so I'd go for Ohm. Hence I guess ShaelVexOhmRalDol.
 
But that bow combination is might hefty on the runes. Usually, wouldn't runewords have at least one filler rune? Like, two high runes and one low rune? Jah Ith Ber for Enigma comes to mind.
 
I had an idea today while painting and I thought I'd share it with you guys. I was thinking that perhaps we should make public accounts with socketed items for people. nothing godly, for example you wouldn't have to put in a 5 socket berserker axe, but maybe a bunch of mules with 2 to 6 socket items for everyone to have access to. like 2 socket bows and armor. It's likely that if you have a hunch at some point you'd have to have that 2 socket armor to try an idea you have, yet simply cannot find it, so you have to wait, u know, sometimes even a week if you're not playing often. if someone wants to co-ordinate with me to start an accountlike this let me know, i can be online, either tonight or tomorrow.

also an update on my research, it's coming along, i have a few hours tonight, hopefully i'm done by the end of the night, i realize most of it's not new *thanks Wathombe*, so it'll just be mostly a summary of lots of points in here with a bit of my own added, but there's good observations and it'll have some good ideas for people to follow when actually socketing items, i'll post as soon as it's done.

peace all
 
Analysis by numbers

Hey all,

I had a thought regarding combinations and numbers of the runes. After a few minutes and some basic c++ programming i came up with the result.

Using 2 text input files, i first loaded all the runes followed by there accordinf number (I.E. EL==01 ZOD==33) into an array. Then took all of the known active runewords and listed them in order of there runes and then seperated them into lists (in the same file) of 2,3,4,5,6 sockets. I then ran the program whos job it was to print out the according rune number of each rune in a runeword, sum it and then sum the total of a particular number of sockets here are the results:

If anyone would like me to anaylize the 1.07 list it would take another 2-3 minutes to get the file and set it up according to my program specifics.

Happy number crunching

2 socketed runewords:

03 08 SUM 11
09 12 SUM 21
04 03 SUM 07
13 05 SUM 18
04 17 SUM 21
07 05 SUM 12
03 01 SUM 04 Lowest Sum
11 03 SUM 14
23 03 SUM 26
05 17 SUM 22
29 01 SUM 30
14 16 SUM 30
09 05 SUM 14

SUM OF ALL 2 SOCK R/W'S 230

3 socketed runewords:

04 12 06 SUM 22
13 18 04 SUM 35
06 01 05 SUM 12
15 17 19 SUM 51
08 09 07 SUM 24
10 16 04 SUM 30
31 25 05 SUM 61
11 08 10 SUM 29
07 14 23 SUM 44
20 18 03 SUM 41
19 27 22 SUM 58
13 22 03 SUM 38
20 24 16 SUM 60
31 06 30 SUM 67
19 22 21 SUM 62
18 18 23 SUM 59
13 22 10 SUM 45

SUM OF ALL 3 SOCK R/W'S 738

4 socketed runewords:

05 08 09 07 SUM 29
17 16 12 05 SUM 50
26 27 24 14 SUM 91
19 27 09 31 SUM 86
08 27 29 05 SUM 69
13 22 21 17 SUM 73
18 26 21 10 SUM 75
23 22 25 19 SUM 89
14 09 02 20 SUM 45
14 22 30 24 SUM 90
29 32 11 28 SUM 100

SUM OF ALL 4 SOCK R/W'S 797 Highest Total Sum

5 socketed runewords:

11 01 06 03 12 SUM 33
30 03 22 23 17 SUM 95
11 30 24 12 29 SUM 106
11 08 23 24 27 SUM 93
15 27 22 28 32 SUM 124 Highest Sum

SUM OF ALL 2 SOCK R/W'S 451

6 socketed runewords:

26 15 01 02 33 05 SUM 82
14 02 15 24 03 26 SUM 84

SUM OF ALL 6 SOCK R/W'S 166 Lowest Total Sum



SUM OF ALL R/W 2382
 
Zephyrus said:
But that bow combination is might hefty on the runes. Usually, wouldn't runewords have at least one filler rune? Like, two high runes and one low rune? Jah Ith Ber for Enigma comes to mind.
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Yeah, they usually do (some even have really many fillers, such as Silence and Breath of the Dying with each four fillers in six runes).

However, some have only "relatively common" fillers, such as Chains of Honor or Exile (with Dol), Doom (with Hel) and Delirium (with Io).

And some arguably don't have any fillers, such as Kingslayer (with Fal its lowest rune, the best runeword I've ever written :p), Gloom and Chaos (Fal lowest as well in both... interesting).
 
Morning, all.

Updated: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet

Andy: Yes, you're right, my list was missing a few of the words. I initially made the spreadsheet using a list from a May post right here on the forums (when everyone was looking for Splendor, et al), and for some reason it was missing some of the possibles (Myth, Dream, et cetera). Thanks for pointing this out, and I've added them as tested. (Bound by Duty is the alternate name for Chains of Honor, though, isn't it?)

"hunt" idea: Good idea, and it seems as likely to me as anything else. When one of us finds an Um, we should try it.

Apom: Also good ideas, but pricey. Sock those away somewhere until we have some extra Bers and such lying around. ;)

Farmer: This might not be a bad idea for 4-, 5-, and 6-socket items, but 2- and 3-socket items can be bought quite easily from merchants in Acts 1 and 2 normal. How do you think we've been mass-testing armors, helms, shields, and wands? I definitely look forward to your expansion of the pattern research. Eventually we will need to move into three-socket testing, and finding a constant (like Shael-initial weapons, but hopefully a bit more common) will be very important.

Rune-Hunter: Very interesting. I actually tabbed those totals (I called it "Total Rune Value") for all the 1.07 runewords, and the column was still in recent versions of my spreadsheet, but I deleted it after we essentially tossed the list. If there is any interest, I can dig it out of an old version and post it here.

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All: I'm about to head out of the office for the Labor Day weekend. My parents are still here Saturday and Sunday, so I probably will not be able to post at all during the day this weekend, nor will I be able to update the spreadsheet more than once a day (in the evening). Please be sure to check recent testing here on the forum before running tests this weekend. Don't want any of us wasting runes we don't have to.

Have a great holiday, for those of you in places where it's celebrated. I'll catch up with everyone here on the forums Tuesday.
 
Rune-hunter :
I can't see any pattern in this, perhaps someone does ? I don't know.

Wathombe :
See below ;)

Three more acronyms (becoming more perverted) :

Vex El/Eld/Eth Amn Pul Ort/Ohm Nef in a weapon. Only one serious rune (though Pul is quite high, it isn't enough), so I'd guess Ohm instead of Ort. As a second letter, El is recurrent (Eth is frequent in this place too, but only as a final, and Eld only appears in Silence), hence my guess : VexElAmnPulOhmNef.

Mal El/Eld/Eth Lum/Lem/Lo El/Eld/Eth El/Eld/Eth in a melee weapon. Following the Breath of the Dying scheme, and considering Lo more likely, I'd guess MalElLoEldEth.

Ral Amn Nef Gul El/Eld/Eth Dol in a ranged weapon. Too much weak runes (only Gul being serious), so I'd guess Eth, which gives RalAmnNefGulEthDol.

This allow me to answer Wathombe more vastly, since I now propose two runewords that are relatively easy to make : KNF and RANGED. However, if KNF does indeed work (I'm dying for someone to test it... three weak runes... aaaagh, I want a normal -> ladder transfer), we should perhaps consider removing all vowels from my runewords. I must be dreaming with the "if it works" part anyway, so we can as well not...
 
ok here's the link, you'll have to click on it then download the file for yourself cause i can't figure out how to directly upload it onto here

, if nothing else, it's good info as to how to the commonality of the runes, anyhow the link is in .doc format, that's wordpad, i tried putting it in .txt but it screwed everything up.

here
 
Hey all. Been lurking on this thread for a long while now (read all the posts..), and there were a couple things I was thinking of.

1) does anybody subscribe to blizzard insider? I remember a long time ago that they were going to drop hints in it. Same with the now flopped Diablo comic. Both may be worth checking out.
2) For three socket items, could they be initals of bliz employees?
3) Wrote out all the known combonations, and marked where the runes tend to be in them. Found some interesting patterns. (like say, Amn is almost always at the begining of a word, with one exception) If anybody wants the list (its in rune order) let me know and i'll post it.

I really REALLY want to help with this, but due to carpel tunnel i can't play, not to mention i'm not supposed to be on the computer more than absolutely nessicary... So, good luck. I'll keep looking for more info. :)
 
that's a nice hint to look at it insane farmer
i'm not sure if it is CoH wathombe, but i'll try some other ones soon
 
dont know if this has be mentioned or even if it would be helpful, but i notice there are no runewords that use a rune then another and then the first. like say el ort el, there is only one that uses the same rune back to back. ive been reading here but i dont remember what has all been tested, maybe someone has played with this idea already.
 
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